kallend 2,150 #26 May 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you think those stories are abuses of power in the name of the war on terrorism, then you should be in agreement with the NRA on this issue. Or is it okay to deny a constitutional right to a would-be gun owner based upon only "a suspicion"? Which side are you on here? If you disagree with the NRA, then explain why your examples are abuses, but denying gun purchases for mere suspicion isn't. What makes you think I disagree with you on this? The govt. should prove its case, just as it should with the Gitmo inmates. Otherwise we are consenting to the govt. having arbitrary powers. It applies across the board: warrantless wiretaps, imprisonment without trial, secret prisons, no travel lists... all based on the say-so of the CinC or his lackeys. So let's here you say the magic words: "I agree with the NRA on this issue". See if you can bring yourself to admit it in public. I double-dog dare you. In this case the NRA is right, but remember that even a stopped clock is right twice a day. It would be nice to see some concern over amendments 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 May 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you think those stories are abuses of power in the name of the war on terrorism, then you should be in agreement with the NRA on this issue. Or is it okay to deny a constitutional right to a would-be gun owner based upon only "a suspicion"? Which side are you on here? If you disagree with the NRA, then explain why your examples are abuses, but denying gun purchases for mere suspicion isn't. What makes you think I disagree with you on this? The govt. should prove its case, just as it should with the Gitmo inmates. Otherwise we are consenting to the govt. having arbitrary powers. It applies across the board: warrantless wiretaps, imprisonment without trial, secret prisons, no travel lists... all based on the say-so of the CinC or his lackeys. So let's here you say the magic words: "I agree with the NRA on this issue". See if you can bring yourself to admit it in public. I double-dog dare you. In this case the NRA is right, but remember that even a stopped clock is right twice a day. It would be nice to see some concern over amendments 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10. www.aclu.org - they match your "wish list" exactly.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #28 May 8, 2007 QuoteIn this case the NRA is right... There, now that didn't hurt so bad, did it? Quotebut remember that even a stopped clock is right twice a day. A stopped clock is correct twice a day only by accident. But it is no mere accident that the NRA is correct on this issue. QuoteIt would be nice to see some concern over amendments 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10. Since the NRA is a gun organization, they don't foray too far into other areas outside the 2nd. Feel free to join the ACLU to protect those other liberties. And while you're there, ask them why they ignore the 2nd... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #29 May 8, 2007 My laptop broke today. It was the wierdest thing. It has been working just fine for a long time. It has allowed me to come here and lurk from time to time and confirm that yep, y'all are having the same old arguments over and over... So when it broke today, I thought maybe, just maybe, something.... different might of happened at good old dizzy.com... Sure enough, I was right... Dr. John Kallend said this... In this case the NRA is right I don't think my laptop will ever be the same again. Or the universe. Or the space/time continuum. That is all, I'm leaving again to go back into my shell... I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 May 8, 2007 Maybe it was you un-lurking that shifted the space-time continuum...did you ever think of that?? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #31 May 8, 2007 Quote Maybe it was you un-lurking that shifted the space-time continuum...did you ever think of that?? naw, that's not NEARLY as extraordinary as what John said. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 May 8, 2007 Hey, you never know.... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 May 8, 2007 I think the NRA has a valid point in this, though their comment about politicizing is rather funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #34 May 8, 2007 Quote this is with no conviction... just a suspicion, its still innocent till proven guilty in this country isnt it? Roy So it is ok to arrest someone on suspicion and hold them without charges under the Patriot Act.....but not ok to prevent selling guns to them. Just looking to clarify_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #35 May 8, 2007 QuoteMy laptop broke today. It was the wierdest thing. It has been working just fine for a long time... Kallend said this... In this case the NRA is right Yep, that's probably what broke your computer. And it was brought to us by the amazing power of a "double-dog dare". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #36 May 8, 2007 QuoteSo it is ok to arrest someone on suspicion and hold them without charges under the Patriot Act.....but not ok to prevent selling guns to them. Just looking to clarify I'll never understand how you could read that out of his post. Talk about leaping to conclusions!! Roy was responding to Quade's post which had nothing to do with the Patriot Act. Stay on topic. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #37 May 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteMy laptop broke today. It was the wierdest thing. It has been working just fine for a long time... Kallend said this... In this case the NRA is right Yep, that's probably what broke your computer. And it was brought to us by the amazing power of a "double-dog dare". No tongues were even stuck to flag poles either . . . now, if I "tripple dog dare" you to agree with Kallen on something, THAT could cause the end of the universe.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #38 May 8, 2007 Quote In this case the NRA is right, but remember that even a stopped clock is right twice a day. It would be nice to see some concern over amendments 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10. The NRA was one of the primary opponents of McCain-Feingold since it acts to diminish their freedom to point out which candidates respect or hate the 2nd. Unlike the ACLU and a majority of Americans, the NRA does support both the 1st and 2nd. The rest of the Bill of Rights is not too relevent to their cause, though they have worked on due process (loss of guns rights in restraining orders) and on encouraging sentencing of criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #39 May 9, 2007 So it is ok to arrest someone on suspicion and hold them without charges under the Patriot Act.....but not ok to prevent selling guns to them. Just looking to clarify *** simple answer: no RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
