Should we leave Iraq unfinished?

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Should we leave Iraq unfinished?

Should we leave? A country that is crawling with terrorist.

I would like to understand what goes through the minds of a people that wishes death upon Americans, Brits, and Jews.

I don't wake up thinking, gosh I wish all Arabs were dead. Yet, they do

You might just try a forum search on the phrase "glass parking lot" to see how many Americans DO want to see all Arabs dead.

I shall. However, I would guess that the "glass parking lot" theory wouldn't even be a catch phrase if the world didn't have to contend with the terrorist that are wreaking havoc around the world.

I wish to live in peace. Problem is, they will not stop.

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Sure, most people want to live in peace (not all .... the perpetual war folks have a great deal to answer to, too!!).

Take a few steps back though and research when the increase in terorrism started. Some of it goes back hundreds of years but what/who was the recent catalyst? Oh, and Why?

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>However, I would guess that the "glass parking lot" theory wouldn't
>even be a catch phrase if the world didn't have to contend with the
>terrorist that are wreaking havoc around the world.

And way fewer people would hate us if we stopped funding terrorists and waging wars that killed tens of thousands innocent people.

>I wish to live in peace.

But you live in a country that is waging an optional war for political reasons. It even sounds like you support that war - which is the opposite of wishing to live in peace.

If you wish to live in peace, work to end this war. If you are OK with war, then support it. Pretty simple.

>Problem is, they will not stop.

Uh, the US started this particular war. We are shipping weapons and soldiers to a foreign country to kill people. The onus is on us to stop.

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At least tell my WHY I'm wrong on "almost every subject I speak of".

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These things don't change the fact that the place where religion is used to teach hatred and violence stems from the middle east. Encouraging democracies in the middle east is a noble goal

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If we're not willing to change our petroleum habits then we simply need to accept the fact that incidents like 9/11 are to be considered a cost of doing business. Expecting people to agree to be exploited peacefully is insanityThis just plain makes no sense

It makes perfect sense. If you manipulate or exploit people for your personal benefit then you should understand that they will probably get upset and resist and try to retaliate.
And if you read the links that you posted yesterday on the PFAW site it should be quite obvious. Keep reading, you are/were heading in the right direction.

The highlighted portion shows your arrogance.

Makes no sense? Arrogance? I will spell it out even simpler for you.

If you fuck people over they will eventually fuck you back. As is the case with terrorism against the U.S.

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Should we leave Iraq unfinished?

Should we leave? A country that is crawling with terrorist.

Whose fault is that?

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I would like to understand what goes through the minds of a people that wishes death upon Americans, Brits, and Jews.

Probably about 100 years of American and Brits exploiting them or 50 years of Israel blowing them up.

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I don't wake up thinking, gosh I wish all Arabs were dead. Yet, they do

Arabs wake up wishing Arabs were dead?

The people of the countries exploited wake up wishing the exploiters were dead.

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But, when the heads of a country like Iran or Iraq (former dictator) have that view?

Whether Saddam wanted that or not is irrelevant given that he never said it and was not capable of it.

Iran have also never said it but are completely justified in all hostility and skepticism towards the U.S and Britain given that they have fucked Iran over for 100 years politically and economically and recently invaded Iran’s neighbour and are now constantly showing hostility towards them by openly talking about bombing them.

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Ahmadinejad didn't say anything like that either. (Although he does want the state of Israel "wiped off the map.")

Nope that was completely debunked

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I shall. However, I would guess that the "glass parking lot" theory wouldn't even be a catch phrase if the world didn't have to contend with the terrorist that are wreaking havoc around the world.

I wish to live in peace. Problem is, they will not stop.

There is a real easy way to stop terrorism and that is stop participating in it, that generally reduces it dramatically.

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Which part of that was for me stud? You haven't explained why I was wrong about anything. Give me a logical answer and I'll be happy to hear it. If you just don't like the U.S., then say so. If you think the Osama Bin Laden's of the world do not wish to install Sharia law throughout the world in the name of Allah, say so. If you don't beleive they are attempting this through a tactic of deliberately killing civilians, say so. If you don't think they have a romantic view of delivering their jihad to the world, say so. If you think we should not assist our allies, (Kuwait, Israel) then say we should not have allies. We know U.S. foreign policy has many black marks, no country is immune from that. It's very easy to explain where we have screwed up in the past, but it's a lot harder to explain where we go from here.

If you think everything will be O.K. if the United States would just become isolationist, then please explain why.

And lastly of course, please explain what will happen to radical Islam, if we leave Iraq. Nobody, knows for sure, so tell me your opinion.

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And if you read the links that you posted yesterday on the PFAW site it should be quite obvious. Keep reading, you are/were heading in the right direction.

I got to thinking and had to come back. The highlighted portion shows your arrogance. I am only going the right direction if I agree with you huh

If it's considered arrogant to want people to keep reading past the headlines and keep digging for additional information from numerous sources as opposed to reciting sound bytes, then yes. I'm one arrogant mofo.

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You might just try a forum search on the phrase "glass parking lot" to see how many Americans DO want to see all Arabs dead.

Neat search, thanks.

I only glanced at the first couple pages. Most used by self proclaimed lefty types. You seem to use it more than anyone else.

It's good to know.

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Which part of that was for me stud? You haven't explained why I was wrong about anything. Give me a logical answer and I'll be happy to hear it.

"Encouraging democracies in the middle east is a noble goal"

That mainly.

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If you just don't like the U.S., then say so.

Already have

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If you think the Osama Bin Laden's of the world do not wish to install Sharia law throughout the world in the name of Allah, say so.

Anti west jihadism is the minority amongst Islamic jihadism and you certainly don't fight it by invading two countries and committing far greater acts of terrorism

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If you don't beleive they are attempting this through a tactic of deliberately killing civilians, say so.

Maybe they are maybe they are not and even providing evidence for this is irrelevant given that withdrawing from Iraq should be determined by the Iraqi people which polls put at anywhere between 80% - 95% wanting foreign occupation of their country to end.

So killing civilians to make the democratic party look bad is irrelevant and stupid in the grand scheme of things.

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If you think we should not assist our allies, (Kuwait, Israel) then say we should not have allies.

I thought we were talking about Iraq

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It's very easy to explain where we have screwed up in the past, but it's a lot harder to explain where we go from here.

It's pretty easy to explain where you are screwed up in the present as well. Here is where you go from here, presuming you want to follow international law, do exactly what the Iraqi people want, leave.

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If you think everything will be O.K. if the United States would just become isolationist, then please explain why.

Like Israel we could turn this into a thread on its own.

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And lastly of course, please explain what will happen to radical Islam, if we leave Iraq. Nobody, knows for sure, so tell me your opinion.

What will happen to radical Islam in Iraq, well the Iraqi people do not need radical Islam to validate resentment towards a country that invaded them and what will happen to Iraq after you leave, assuming you will one day listen to the Iraqi people and world opinion, is being discussed in two new threads right now.

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"If you don't like the U.S., then say so."
"Already Have"

Oops, I didn't know you hated the United States. We have opposite goals so of course we will not reach an agreement. I want to see the United States prosper in the future. I thought I was talking to one of my countryman who wanted the same thing but had a different way of doing it. That is why I started this thread with "should we". That is my fault, I will be more careful about that in the future. Apparently you just wanted to entertain me with your anti-U.S. propaganda. It has been fun though. Goodbye.

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[ErricoMalatesta 0]

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"If you don't like the U.S., then say so."
"Already Have"

Oops, I didn't know you hated the United States. We have opposite goals so of course we will not reach an agreement. I want to see the United States prosper in the future. I thought I was talking to one of my countryman who wanted the same thing but had a different way of doing it. That is why I started this thread with "should we". That is my fault, I will be more careful about that in the future. Apparently you just wanted to entertain me with your anti-U.S. propaganda. It has been fun though. Goodbye.

Anti-US propaganda, you mean like pointing out the countless millions of lives the US has cost the world? Its various terrorist acts and war crimes both past and present? What the US should do if it didn't completely disregard universal truisms and international laws?

Yeah... you seem to have trouble differentiating between propaganda and widely understood facts, but that is the US education system and culture for you.

You also have jumped to the conclusion I don’t want the US to prosper, which is unfounded. I just don’t want it to prosper at the cost of millions of lives, which it has done and still does and at the cost of billions of people’s quality of life, which it currently does too.

But of course criticism of your state requires you to use authortarian buzzwords like anti-american and turn the blinkers on as you have just stated, so goodluck with that and I am sure I will see you around here somewhere crying 'why' when the next terror attack happens.

Oh yeah its also funny that you pick only one part of my response and go off on an unrelated rant and reduce things like Iraqi opinion on foreign occupation to propaganda.

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Shouldn't the question be: Should we leave US bases unfinished?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/iraq-intro.htm

http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

http://www.libsci.sc.edu/bob/class/clis734/webguides/milbase.htm

http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo04282003.html