Amazon 7 #1 May 2, 2007 http://www.slate.com/id/2163601 Who's the Boss? How Pat Robertson's law school is changing America. By Dahlia Lithwick Posted Saturday, April 7, 2007, at 6:52 AM ET Monica Goodling has a problem. As senior counsel to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Justice Department liaison to the White House, Goodling no longer seems to know what the truth is. She must also be increasingly unclear about who her superiors are. This didn't used to be a problem for Goodling, now on indefinite leave from the DoJ. Everything was once very certain: Her boss's truth was always the same as God's truth. Her boss was always either God or one of His staffers. Goodling is only one of 150 graduates of Regent University currently serving in this administration, as Regent's Web site proclaims proudly, a huge number for a 29-year-old school. Regent estimates that "approximately one out of every six Regent alumni is employed in some form of government work." And that's precisely what its founder desired. The school's motto is "Christian Leadership To Change the World," and the world seems to be changing apace. Former Attorney General John Ashcroft teaches at Regent, and graduates have achieved senior positions in the Bush administration. The express goal is not only to tear down the wall between church and state in America (a "lie of the left," according to Robertson) but also to enmesh the two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 May 2, 2007 until and if they succeed in changing the Constitution, Pat is still bound by limitations that they don't need to worry about in the Middle East. Despite their efforts, gay marriage, nevermind gay existence, continues to march forward. The Bush Administration was able to make great inroads into civilians rights in matters of crime and privacy wrt GWOT, but on social issues, barely a change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #3 May 2, 2007 Robertson won't live forever. After he goes, I don't really see anyone else with the personality cult that he has...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 May 2, 2007 QuoteMore than 150 attorneys hired by the federal government during the Bush administration have been graduates of Regent University School of Law, founded by televangelist Pat Robertson... I'm guessing that all of them passed the bar exam in order to be qualified to practice law. I'm also guessing that 150 lawyers is a miniscule drop in the bucket compared to the total number of lawyers in the federal government. And 150 lawyers over 6 years, is only 25 lawyers per year. Oh the horror! Furthermore, I'm guessing that none of them has the power to tell women that they can't skydive, or that they'll throw acid in their faces if they participate in sports, or that they must wear a veil over their faces in public. How many Christian college lawyers were hired by previous administrations? Without that for reference, you really can't say that Bush is going out of his way to "pack" the law offices with Christians. And how many lawyers have been hired by liberal colleges? You need to provide that number too, for perspective. I'm guessing that this number far supercedes those from Christian colleges. There's a heck of a lot of Christians in this country. I reckon they deserve to have their voice heard in the field of law. But in our system, they certainly don't get to dictate what happens, like those muslim mullahs. Would you ban Christians from the practice of law? Would you ban Christians from government service? Now there's something that smacks of Muslim Sharia law... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #5 May 3, 2007 Personally I prefer lawyers that graduate from the TOP law schools in the country to be running our government.. not a bunch of incompetent idealogs that seem to be having a HUGE issue with that whole separation of church and state thing. You can lay a WHOLE bunch of the blame on the fuckups that define your Bushie Administration right at these peoples feet since they are obviously giving the YES MAN answers to the Shrub than REAL advice from people with an IQ that allowed them to get into the TOP law schools rather than Rube Goldberg U. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #6 May 3, 2007 Sounds like you want something like the brain trust that JFK had, that worked splendidly, didn't it? I think there are too many lawyers in government positions.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 May 3, 2007 QuotePersonally I prefer lawyers that graduate from the TOP law schools in the country to be running our government.. not a bunch of incompetent idealogs... Now that statement sounds like bigotry to me. There are plenty of excellent lawyers that come from schools that aren't in the top rankings. There are probably also plenty of bad lawyers that come from the so-called "top" law schools. And just because someone is a Christian, doesn't make them an "idealog" (sic - "ideologue"). There are plenty of those that are non-Christians, too. Whaddaya wanna do - feed them to the lions in the coliseum? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #8 May 3, 2007 It is based in reality.. we are after all... a capitalist society. and you get what you pay for....The top law schools get the cream of the legal minds as students and as professors. If I am selecting a lawyer who had better training in a better law school... I would certainly select a Harvard Grad.... over one of these idiots who have led the country astray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #9 May 3, 2007 Honestly, IME, the skill of the lawyer isn't really reflective on the law school as much as it is on the practical experience the lawyer has. I've seen some harvard lawyers make some pretty bone-headed decisions, and some western state* lawyers make some damn good decisions. What makes people perform well in law school (memorize, regurgitate, and apply) is not necessarily what makes them good lawyers (research skills, statutory interpretation, etc). Law school will teach a future lawyer the basic standards of the law, but practicing law is where lawyers really learn how to be lawyers. I would be very afraid of someone who just graduated from harvard (or anywhere!) opening their own law office without first practicing with other lawyers, because at that point, they haven't had the benefit of experience. *Western is a law school around here that's come close to losing it's accreditation because of a low bar pass rate among other issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #10 May 3, 2007 Just as I wouldn't put a person with a new A-license on the World Team, I wouldn't put a new law grad from ANY law school in charge of a whole lot...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 May 3, 2007 I would say look at who gets the internships with the best firms and the SC etc is a better guage.... that is where most of them learn far more... and WHO their prof is has a lot to do with who gets to go where. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #12 May 3, 2007 Quote It is based in reality.. we are after all... a capitalist society. and you get what you pay for....The top law schools get the cream of the legal minds as students and as professors. If I am selecting a lawyer who had better training in a better law school... I would certainly select a Harvard Grad.... over one of these idiots who have led the country astray. Like the students that come outta YALE. One of those fuckups is running our country now.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 May 3, 2007 QuoteLike the students that come outta YALE. One of those fuckups is running our country now. You dont actually believe he had to really work while he was there do you.. He was a Legacy... and with his family connections at the time.... achievement was guaranteed.. no prof would go against his family. HE is not a grad of Yale Law... Law schools have a different standard.. last I checked you actually have to PERFORM in most of the centuries old law schools... something The Liar in Chief never seemed to have learned. He certainly does pander to the"everyman" crowd though....and I for one think the results of the performance of this Administration.. run by those who want to portray themselves as Dumb as Dirt and proud of it.... speaks for itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 May 3, 2007 QuoteIf I am selecting a lawyer who had better training in a better law school... I would certainly select a Harvard Grad.... over one of these idiots who have led the country astray. George Bush graduated from an ivy league school, and you hate his guts and think he's incompetent. So what does that do to your theory about how great these top notch school people are? Your own beliefs are in contradiction with what you are stating here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #15 May 3, 2007 nahh, ivy league schools are jokes, bastions of self righteous illogical PC prattle and pissy little mama's boys and stick-like girls with too big hair they are essentially vending machines - stick few dollars in the slot and it dumps a diploma you get more from your investment at a Bally's - there you still get to meet a potential spouse, but at least you can exercise ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #16 May 3, 2007 QuotePersonally I prefer lawyers that graduate from the TOP law schools in the country to be running our government.. not a bunch of incompetent idealogsI'm assuming you are also speaking of Mike Nifong and the Duke rape case. There's an idealog for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #17 May 3, 2007 QuoteGeorge Bush graduated from an ivy league school.... I often wonder if the administration of those schools collectively cringe every time he is unable to put together a coherent thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #18 May 3, 2007 QuoteYou dont actually believe he had to really work while he was there do you.. He was a Legacy... and with his family connections at the time.... achievement was guaranteed.. no prof would go against his family. And how many people who are inrolled in these high dollar schools, do you think, got there of their own accord? I would say, illumni with large contributions has a sway on who gets in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 May 3, 2007 QuoteAnd how many people who are inrolled in these high dollar schools, do you think, got there of their own accord? I would say, illumni with large contributions has a sway on who gets in. Based on admission requirements, I would say the percentages are quite high. They tend to recruit some of the very best students from all over the country to be enrolled there. I am sure that they keep a certain of number of slots for the children of alumni....but I will guarantee you that they conform to standards that were not there back in the early 60's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #20 May 3, 2007 > I would say, illumini with large contributions has a sway on who gets in. Yeah, but they're hard to room with, because they're always so bright. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #21 May 4, 2007 Quote> I would say, illumini with large contributions has a sway on who gets in. Yeah, but they're hard to room with, because they're always so bright. ROFLMAO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites