Bush.....Democratic?

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In a political system where 1 person holds supreme executive power .... now what would we call that person ... ummmm.. Oh yes ....... a Dictator

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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In a political system where 1 person holds supreme executive power .... now what would we call that person ... ummmm.. Oh yes ....... a Dictator

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Seriously though, both sides are slowly moving towards the middle ground it's just that both sides want an upper hand no matter how slight so they are testing the waters to see how far they can push it.

And honestly both sides can be accused of undermining the troops right now, the Dems for continuously attaching a timeline to the money we need to survive over here knowing damn well it would be vetoed, and the righties for are not making more of an effort to come up with a compromise on a withdrawl plan. There needs to be one but at the same time you can't sit there and say "the war will be over tuesday, and then we can all go home". Set milestones that need to be reached with a clause that states if the Iraqi government doesn't continue to push forward at a certain pace then we move on to the next stage of withdrawl, and they can play catch up. Put their feet to the fire to pick up more responsibility by making sure they understand we aren't going to do all the work anymore.

And in the meantime those of us on the ground are left feeling like a little kid watching mommy and daddy go through a divorce not caring about the best interest of the child, merely fighting for custody to punish the other one for sleeping with the secretary/pool boy.

Ya like that analogy, i just came up with it myself

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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As yes...critique of a republic in action from...Oh look! A Queen and a whole bunch of Princes.

Even a Constitutional Monarchy is still a Monarchy.

Seriously, if Congress wants to de-fund this war, that's exactly what they're going to have to do. This political side-step method isn't going to do it.

It's proof positive that the current majority leadership cannot garner support on this initiative, and they won't be able to pass it again, let alone with a 2/3 majority to override the veto.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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As yes...critique of a republic in action from...Oh look! A Queen and a whole bunch of Princes.

Even a Constitutional Monarchy is still a Monarchy.

Seriously, if Congress wants to de-fund this war, that's exactly what they're going to have to do. This political side-step method isn't going to do it.

It's proof positive that the current majority leadership cannot garner support on this initiative, and they won't be able to pass it again, let alone with a 2/3 majority to override the veto.

Yep. The bill was just a feel good to the public for electing them into office because of opposition to the Iraq war. Business as usual on Capitol Hill. You'll ( the troops) will get their funding. A day late and a dollar short I'm afraid.

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As yes...critique of a republic in action from...Oh look! A Queen and a whole bunch of Princes.

Even a Constitutional Monarchy is still a Monarchy.

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I'm sure you are well aware that the Queen has no political power.

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And in the meantime those of us on the ground are left feeling like a little kid watching mommy and daddy go through a divorce not caring about the best interest of the child, merely fighting for custody to punish the other one for sleeping with the secretary/pool boy.

Ya like that analogy, i just came up with it myself

And a dang good one at that. That describes my thoughts exactly.!

Stay safe! Come home soon! De Opresso Liber, buddy!

steveOrino

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As yes...critique of a republic in action from...Oh look! A Queen and a whole bunch of Princes.

Even a Constitutional Monarchy is still a Monarchy.

Seriously, if Congress wants to de-fund this war, that's exactly what they're going to have to do. This political side-step method isn't going to do it.

It's proof positive that the current majority leadership cannot garner support on this initiative, and they won't be able to pass it again, let alone with a 2/3 majority to override the veto.

Yep. The bill was just a feel good to the public for electing them into office because of opposition to the Iraq war. Business as usual on Capitol Hill. You'll ( the troops) will get their funding. A day late and a dollar short I'm afraid.

Sure, there's political posturing on both sides here. But Bush deserves the challenge and I think that the legislative leadership is right to remind him that there are three equal branches (supposedly) in our government. The war will get the money, that was never in question, and it won't be late considering that they won't start "running out" until July. That said, I'm surprised that no one has brought up the issue of this bill being an "emergency" spending bill for the war. This money should have been included in the President's proposed budget. I wouldn't call funding for a four year old war an "emergency".

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As yes...critique of a republic in action from...Oh look! A Queen and a whole bunch of Princes.

Even a Constitutional Monarchy is still a Monarchy.

I'm sure you are well aware that the Queen has no political power.

Okay, that will be your little secret.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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But Bush deserves the challenge and I think that the legislative leadership is right to remind him that there are three equal branches (supposedly) in our government.

he did deserve that. just as much as Congress deserved the same reminder.

now, GWB and Congress all got make their little petty political statements, they can all now fund the troops without a ton of pork while making hay out of the veto

what a waste of time

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...they can all now fund the troops without a ton of pork ...

When was the last time THAT happened?

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Sure, there's political posturing on both sides here. But Bush deserves the challenge and I think that the legislative leadership is right to remind him that there are three equal branches (supposedly) in our government. The war will get the money, that was never in question, and it won't be late considering that they won't start "running out" until July. That said, I'm surprised that no one has brought up the issue of this bill being an "emergency" spending bill for the war. This money should have been included in the President's proposed budget. I wouldn't call funding for a four year old war an "emergency".

The Shrub is just really pisssed off that his wittle wubber stamp has been taken away.. ahhh isnt that cute.... he is throwing a hissy fit.

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The Shrub is just really pisssed off that his wittle wubber stamp has been taken away.. ahhh isnt that cute.... he is throwing a hissy fit.

You sound like a six year old brat.

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You sound like a six year old brat.

Thank you for yet another Personal attack that you will not get banned for...

Play the player instead of the argument... AWWWW isnt that cute...

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yum yum spuds.

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clicky

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Mr Bush criticised the bill, saying it "substitutes the opinions of politicians
for the judgement of our military commanders."

Oh! You mean like when the military leaders say the invasion will require X number of troops on the ground to maintain control after Saddam falls, but then the political leaders overrule them and cut the number of troops to a fraction of that?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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yum yum spuds.

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History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
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...they can all now fund the troops without a ton of pork ...

When was the last time THAT happened?

1793 - it was a small bill that solely allowed for the purchase of extra salt for cooking beans. It was quite contentious, 4 duels in congress occurred over the spelling of the word "beans"

{looking around more} Nope, that's the last time I can see.

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Pssst (a lot more than you think ..... but that's not the point of SC

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As yes...critique of a republic in action from...Oh look! A Queen and a whole bunch of Princes.

Even a Constitutional Monarchy is still a Monarchy.

Seriously, if Congress wants to de-fund this war, that's exactly what they're going to have to do. This political side-step method isn't going to do it.

It's proof positive that the current majority leadership cannot garner support on this initiative, and they won't be able to pass it again, let alone with a 2/3 majority to override the veto.

Yep. The bill was just a feel good to the public for electing them into office because of opposition to the Iraq war. Business as usual on Capitol Hill. You'll ( the troops) will get their funding. A day late and a dollar short I'm afraid.

Personally, I'm a fan of politicians trying to push the platform on which they were elected. If the Dems weren't trying to do this, the right would be screaming that they were two-faced and just saying what they needed to get elected. Bush hasn't shown that his plan is particularly effective, so it's about time Congress got involved and started controlling his reckless spending of our dollars and the lives of our servicemen.

Blues,
Dave

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Personally, I'm a fan of politicians trying to push the platform on which they were elected. If the Dems weren't trying to do this, the right would be screaming that they were two-faced and just saying what they needed to get elected. Bush hasn't shown that his plan is particularly effective, so it's about time Congress got involved and started controlling his reckless spending of our dollars and the lives of our servicemen.

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You're right that they need to back up what they said, but at the same time they aren't exactly going about it the right way. Funding for the troops is needed regardless of a timeline or not, you can't fight a war without money and the dems know this, so trying to hold the money over the Pres' head while attaching a timeline is pretty underhanded. there is a middle ground to be reached here, both sides just need to pull their heads out of their fourth point of contact(that would be their ass for you non-airborne types).

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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Personally, I'm a fan of politicians trying to push the platform on which they were elected. If the Dems weren't trying to do this, the right would be screaming that they were two-faced and just saying what they needed to get elected. Bush hasn't shown that his plan is particularly effective, so it's about time Congress got involved and started controlling his reckless spending of our dollars and the lives of our servicemen.

Good point, problem is that in the 2004 elections, many of these clowns were re-elected based on their continued support of the war at the time. Nearly all had the GWOT as political capital in the mid-terms in 2002.

So, I see the same thing you're seeing...just from a different angle. The only people in all of that that have been consistent have been Senator's McCain, Lieberman (PRO) and Sen. Obama (CON). Everyone else has been doing the "Kerry-flip-flop" (you know, "I was for it before I was against it." ).

Additionally, it has been Congress that has been doing the spending. They have been involved, it's just that with the change of leadership, they must discredit everything about the current administration so they look viable in 2008. Unfortunately (in my view), they're getting away with too much, from OIF to Walter Reed to AG Gonzalez to now, SecState Rice.

This sh*t with the funding has little to do more with anything but the 2008 elections. The democrats will finally do something, but not until they've let the press take a few more pictures of their griping.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!