narcimund 0 #51 April 17, 2007 QuoteChrist was the last sacrifice, but that doesnt negate many of the Old Testament writings. It's handy that you get to choose which ones you like and which ones you don't. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #52 April 17, 2007 Speaking of things in the news of the day, or in our time, is a valid right for anyone. I have every right as a Christian to comment on the things that are going on in this world, whether you like it or not. You simply cannot stand the truth....and that too, is the truth. All Christians, including church speak out about the world and things that take place in it. It is fair game to make comments on what is right or what is wrong. You spend far too much effort praising your own ?accomplishments", ( your BS, and MS, and your writings, your pastorship, et al), perhaps you should stop the self praise, and switch to praising God. We all know what the BS stands for, and MS must be "More of the Same". The scripture you quoted is totally irrelevanto anything that was said....try again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #53 April 17, 2007 who is choosing?????? I believe every word of it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #54 April 17, 2007 >I believe every word of it I doubt you believe that it is OK to buy and use slaves (Exodus 21:1-4, Deuteronomy 15:12-18, Leviticus 25:44-46, Deuteronomy 21:10-14.) And given that you think the US is a horrible country that kills and rapes, it is very ironic that you believe the following (quoted from the KJV as you prefer) - ===================== Numbers 31 Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people. And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian. . . . And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. . . . And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. ======================= Why would you object to that which Moses himself has commanded men to do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #55 April 17, 2007 QuoteThere is a very skewed view of those of us who served in our military and that hurts me and denigrates our service. MILLIONS of AMERICANS have served in our countries armed forces and a far lower percentage than .01 of those have been part of any atrocity. Yet those who do not know and do not understand will go on and on about the very few who do....usually those who do not have the mettle in the first place to do anything other than suckle at the teat of freedom that others have provided. 0.01%... The vast majority of actions committed by U.S soldiers as a collective are atrocities. The freedom that others (U.S) have provided? With the exception of WW2 maybe you can give some examples of these fairytale wars you have waged for freedom? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yourmomma 0 #56 April 17, 2007 There is an old man who lives down the road from me. He writes divinely inspired “signs” in crayon, then yells a lot about how my inability to understand it will doom me when the spaceship on the far side of Saturn comes to conquer our planet. Useless, I'm sorry but he is absolutely positive that he knows the truth, and he draws stuff with crayons. That's way impressive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #57 April 17, 2007 QuoteThe freedom that others (U.S) have provided? With the exception of WW2 maybe you can give some examples of these fairytale wars you have waged for freedom? Ask the people of Granada as a whole if they prefer their current government or living the standard of living foun d in Cuba.. as a satelite of Fidels largesse... How about the people of Panama... free elections and a government that THEY elected.. not a despot drug lord dictator.... The US has not always been such as we are now percievedby many in the world.... by the actions of this incompetent fuck who sent our troops off to Iraq.... BUT Afghanistan was justified and still is to eliminate the Taliban and Al Queda who attacked us on 9/11 or are you forgetting that little fact. I see you do not list your country but by the responses in your profile about blowing up trains.... I guess you are just joking around at least I hope so... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #58 April 17, 2007 QuoteI have been exposed to many hair raising events, both in and out of skydiving about. That's what I was saying. I was trying to substantiate your point.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #59 April 17, 2007 QuoteAsk the people of Granada as a whole if they prefer their current government or living the standard of living foun d in Cuba.. as a satelite of Fidels largesse... How about the people of Panama... free elections and a government that THEY elected.. not a despot drug lord dictator.... LOL wow... I will get to these later on QuoteBUT Afghanistan was justified and still is to eliminate the Taliban and Al Queda who attacked us on 9/11 or are you forgetting that little fact. The Taliban you were best mates with around the time of Grenada? The guys you gave all the training and guns to? and subsequently set up as the dominating force of the country? That aside... What is justified in invading Afghanistan even if you hadn't given the Taliban all your help previously? Their country, not yours. Al-Qaeda, a group of terrorists, is not Afghanistan…group of people……country……..group of terrorists...sovereign nation… What about the little scenario pre-invasion? It went something like this U.S - Hand over these people we suspect of being terrorists Afghanistan - Ok we are willing to do that if you show us some evidence U.S - I don't think you heard us, its sanction time International relief agencies - These unwarranted sanctions are about to kill millions of already starving people, this is completely atrocious. U.S - Whatever time to blow some shit up and also commit some war crimes in fallujah. Also your comments on 9/11 seem indignant, it is terrible and WRONG when any innocent people die, but given the track record of U.S foreign policy you had it coming. QuoteI see you do not list your country but by the responses in your profile about blowing up trains.... I guess you are just joking around at least I hope so... I am from one of your brown nose friendly countries and a different type of bombing to what you are thinking Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #60 April 17, 2007 Quoteit is terrible and WRONG when any innocent people die, but given the track record of U.S foreign policy you had it coming. this is precious - 3000+ people from all over the world 'had it coming' good for you ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #61 April 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteit is terrible and WRONG when any innocent people die, but given the track record of U.S foreign policy you had it coming. this is precious - 3000+ people from all over the world 'had it coming' good for you No there is a difference in what I said and what you infer. I at no time said the victems 'had it comming' or I would have been more likely to use the words 'deserved it'. I said the U.S, the nation itself, had terrorist attacks from some group of people they had previously pissed off comming, of which there are many. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #62 April 17, 2007 QuoteNo there is a difference in what I said and what you infer. I at no time said the victems 'had it comming' or ...I said the U.S, the nation itself, . In practice, 3000+ people died, not some homogenous abstract concept you have of one nation. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #63 April 17, 2007 QuoteThe Taliban you were best mates with around the time of Grenada? The guys you gave all the training and guns to? and subsequently set up as the dominating force of the country? That aside... What is justified in invading Afghanistan even if you hadn't given the Taliban all your help previously? Their country, not yours. Al-Qaeda, a group of terrorists, is not Afghanistan…group of people……country……..group of terrorists...sovereign nation… Well Mister history major... the Taliban was just one of many Mujas who fought the Soviets invasion of their country...the old an enemy of my enemy is my friend..... as a counterpoint to ANY Soviet expansion. Historic Fact... Bin Laden and his groups did not recieve support materially from the US and CIA.. but many others who were more moderate DID get help in funds and weapons to fight the superior Soviet weapons that the Soviets were using to kill off whole villages because they did not want to be slaves to the Politburo in Moscow. Perhaps after that GOOD war you talked about we should have just brought our troops home and let all of you "gentlemen" learn to rapidly speak Russian...or be sent off to your basic Stalinist wetdream in Siberia. That would have remov ed the oblivious intelligencia from most of Europe from their Ivory Towers with a far greater reality than the stupidity they had just lived thru.. Instead WE stayed and spent a hell of a lot to rebuild the devastated Europe...unlike those who fell behind the Iron Curtain who were sucked dry and had broken economies due to Soviet ideas of rebuilding in their sphere of influence in Eastern Europe.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #64 April 18, 2007 Quote Well Mister history major... the Taliban was just one of many Mujas who fought the Soviets invasion of their country...the old an enemy of my enemy is my friend..... as a counterpoint to ANY Soviet expansion. Historic Fact... Bin Laden and his groups did not recieve support materially from the US and CIA.. but many others who were more moderate DID get help in funds and weapons to fight the superior Soviet weapons that the Soviets were using to kill off whole villages because they did not want to be slaves to the Politburo in Moscow. Moderate to the extent they were only concerned with Islamic law for Arab countries. So the enemy of your enemy is your friend, you give them weapons and training, set them up as the dominate force of the country, and then walk away for a dozen+ years and all of a sudden we are meant to believe you give a shit about Afghanistan? Removing the Taliban from power is not even close to a justifiable answer for invading Afghanistan nor is it actually a real reason at all. You(the government) wanted(had to appease population and show dominance to global community) to get "Al-Qaeda" - a terrorist group, so you attacked a country subsequently killing heaps of innocent people, as usual. Quote Perhaps after that GOOD war you talked about we should have just brought our troops home and let all of you "gentlemen" learn to rapidly speak Russian...or be sent off to your basic Stalinist wetdream in Siberia. That would have remov ed the oblivious intelligencia from most of Europe from their Ivory Towers with a far greater reality than the stupidity they had just lived thru.. Instead WE stayed and spent a hell of a lot to rebuild the devastated Europe...unlike those who fell behind the Iron Curtain who were sucked dry and had broken economies due to Soviet ideas of rebuilding in their sphere of influence in Eastern Europe.. Justified war isn't good war... The U.S stayed in Europe and rebuilt economies and defended everyone out of the kindness of their heart...lol Next you will be claiming you saved everyone in WW2 as well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #65 April 18, 2007 QuoteQuote Well Mister history major... the Taliban was just one of many Mujas who fought the Soviets invasion of their country...the old an enemy of my enemy is my friend..... as a counterpoint to ANY Soviet expansion. Historic Fact... Bin Laden and his groups did not recieve support materially from the US and CIA.. but many others who were more moderate DID get help in funds and weapons to fight the superior Soviet weapons that the Soviets were using to kill off whole villages because they did not want to be slaves to the Politburo in Moscow. Moderate to the extent they were only concerned with Islamic law for Arab countries. So the enemy of your enemy is your friend, you give them weapons and training, set them up as the dominate force of the country, and then walk away for a dozen+ years and all of a sudden we are meant to believe you give a shit about Afghanistan? Removing the Taliban from power is not even close to a justifiable answer for invading Afghanistan nor is it actually a real reason at all. You(the government) wanted(had to appease population and show dominance to global community) to get "Al-Qaeda" - a terrorist group, so you attacked a country subsequently killing heaps of innocent people, as usual. Quote Perhaps after that GOOD war you talked about we should have just brought our troops home and let all of you "gentlemen" learn to rapidly speak Russian...or be sent off to your basic Stalinist wetdream in Siberia. That would have remov ed the oblivious intelligencia from most of Europe from their Ivory Towers with a far greater reality than the stupidity they had just lived thru.. Instead WE stayed and spent a hell of a lot to rebuild the devastated Europe...unlike those who fell behind the Iron Curtain who were sucked dry and had broken economies due to Soviet ideas of rebuilding in their sphere of influence in Eastern Europe.. Justified war isn't good war... The U.S stayed in Europe and rebuilt economies and defended everyone out of the kindness of their heart...lol Next you will be claiming you saved everyone in WW2 as well... I'm making food. You want a greasy pork and cheese sammich with a glass of warm gin to drink?Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #66 April 18, 2007 What I meant was that I believe every word of the KJV is the WORD of God . No, I would not keep slaves. That was the history of the USA and the savagery that the USA citizens did against the African Americans over many years speaks for Americans. Where AMAZON gets this 0.1 % is mystifying....I suspect she got it out of the thin air, for there is no such component to be found. Considering the USA since 1776, they have indulged in so many atrocities, it is hard to keep track of them, not only in their own country, but around the world. People such as Amazon are so quick to say there hasn't been many military atrocities, but she obviously hasnt studied much American history. The military ( including the CIA and other agencies) have been responsible for so much wrong doing, it would be impossible to list them all. Recently they shipped a Canadian citizen off to Syria to be tortured, with no background of attachment to Al Qaeda or any other terrorist organization. How many colored people have been raped and/or murdered by your Ku Klux Klan over the years.? How many friendly fire incidents over the past 20 years? And most are disregarded with a shrug, and a stupid statement such as " the pilot was tired". So far, nothing concrete has been established in the killing of Pat Tillman....it was friendly fire....maybe it was a joke...some Marines playing around,....who knows, who cares....because nothing will be done about it just as nothing was done about Wm Calley at My Lai. You train the yound men to kill, and when they come home, many of them cannot handle the change back to ciovies. Many Marines were abusing their wives, and some killed theirs as well. The USA is a very violent country, and if it doesnt all come from video games, sadistic movies, it comes from the military service. There is no respect for the law or those who enforce it. There is no respect for any authority, such as school teachers, or people in charge. America has no respect for anyone....it is the world's big bully. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #67 April 18, 2007 >That was the history of the USA and the savagery that the USA citizens >did against the African Americans . .. . . . in accordance with the rules of the Old Testament. Indeed, the Bible was used quite often to justify the practice of slavery, and later of segregation. You can't believe 100% in the Old Testament and condemn the US practice of slavery. What many people here do is discard parts of the Old Testament as "ceremonial law" that's no longer valid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #68 April 18, 2007 It's a sad fact of life, that war generates attrocities (it can and does happen on all sides). That doesn't make it right but what makes it worse, in my view, is that the perpeTRAITORS [sic] more often than not, get away with it, if they are on the winning side!! - (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jasmin 0 #69 April 18, 2007 How the f*ck did a thread about a US army report become a slanging match with scripture as ammunition?!!!!!?!!! Now maybe I’m missing something, but do people here honestly want to play prosecutor, judge and jury on what happened without knowing anything more than what is reported in a likely ill-informed media source based half a world away, which based its articles on other reports based on yet more varied sources, which may or may not be biased, let alone correct? Edited to add:As for the scripture wars, how about John 8:7 xj "I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #70 April 18, 2007 I can and do believe that those scriptures as written are the WORD of Almighty God, but I do not believe that God suggests being violent to slaves. I believe those things did happen, and the writing about them id a part of God's WORD. Of curse those scriptures were what spurred slavery on in the USA and elsewhere. I do believe those things took place, and I do certainly condemn the USA for their atrocities that they commit, and especially when they say it was all a part of defending freedom and other crap that the governments gets the citizens all worked up about. Now they want freedom to carry guns into school , just in case another nutcase arrives with his arsenal. However, the first time an argument over a girl or some other trivial matter erupts, so will the gunfire and bloodshed.......like Road rage...but in the classroom. Your entire society has gone nuts, kill crazy....and all in the name of so called "freedom". Propaganda works well on Americans...they will accept anything their govenment nuts tell them, as long as someone stand with a hand over his heart and a flag is waving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #71 April 18, 2007 I cannot believe how many times people on this site misuse the scriptures to try to make a point. Yours it totally irrelevant. I suggest that from your language, you don't spend much time reading the Bible, and just grab at anything, hoping it backs you up. Misguided indeed!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #72 April 18, 2007 Quote The usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! growl! Not all military are rapists. I take great offense at your classification of them as such. My step-dad, dad, and older brother are all military and there is no fucking way they would do that. I, also, have quite a few friends - both young and old - that are military. Do not assume that a minority is the majority. Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #73 April 18, 2007 >I do not believe that God suggests being violent to slaves. It's OK to beat your slave as long as you don't kill him: Exodus 21 - And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money. If you have sex with an engaged slave she shall be whipped: Leviticus 19 - And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged. > I can and do believe that those scriptures as written are the WORD of Almighty God . . . So do you agree that it's OK to beat a slave as long as you don't kill him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #74 April 18, 2007 well you have to protect your investment. Slaves are expensive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #75 April 18, 2007 Quotewell you have to protect your investment. Slaves are expensive. I get all of mine from China they love you long time, and you can get 12 for the price of 1.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
