beowulf 1 #76 April 18, 2007 Quote Quote well you have to protect your investment. Slaves are expensive. I get all of mine from China they love you long time, and you can get 12 for the price of 1. Do you keep them in the basement and beat them twice day? I do it keeps the happy and content. They never try to run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #77 April 18, 2007 Quote Quote Quote well you have to protect your investment. Slaves are expensive. I get all of mine from China they love you long time, and you can get 12 for the price of 1. Do you keep them in the basement and beat them twice day? I do it keeps the happy and content. They never try to run. Only if they fuck up my Hunan Beef.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #78 April 18, 2007 Quote well you have to protect your investment. Slaves are expensive. I buy the one legged ones, they're half price Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #79 April 18, 2007 Hey some people have a holy axe to grind.....what can we say. Personally I am willing to let GOD sort usa all out based on how we have lived our lives....how we have treated others in life....you know.. show god by our deeds .. which includes not judging others.. LEST YE be judged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 574 #80 April 18, 2007 The US military in general has an extremely poor image abroad. Personally I fell in with the US are a bunch of arrogant & incompetants, until I had the opportunity to work with members of the US Army & Airforce (commercially). The people I met were very different to the image presented (in general although there was a guy who typified the image of the inbred redneck!). The UK seems to love the term "institution ..." to describe things (e.g. institutional racism") and I think this sums up the US military as it is the entity of the US military that is perceived as bad. I don't think that the image is driven by jealousy/or as a few people have suggested in past discussions that everyone else in the world lacks "freedom". I have found that the UK military (especially the SAS) are held in very high regard, and I have never heard the Canadians and Aussies knocked. I am sure that you are right that it is a tiny minority that are actually bad, but the US deals with them terribly (e.g the friendly fire incident where the US lied about evidence), Canadians bombed etc. At the very least the US military should co-operate with allies when they kill them - hell its not like Canada & the UK are some 3rd world dictatorships that have it in for the US. As long as the chain of command is complicit in these "coverups"/protections whatever you want to call them then an enormous part of the world will continue to hold Chuteless's view.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jasmin 0 #81 April 18, 2007 And I can't believe how often people on this site use "irrelevant" scripture to prove a point that is completely off on a tangent from the original topic lol Your suggestions regarding me are as "misguided" as your opinions in other areas. But whatever helps you sleep at night mate xj "I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #82 April 18, 2007 until I had the opportunity to work with members of the US Army & Airforce (commercially). The people I met were very different to the image presented (in general although there was a guy who typified the image of the inbred redneck!). Quote The majority of the people who stereotype the US military are the ones who have never had a chance to work with us. It is 100% true that you will find a few mindless rednecks here and there just lookin for that kill, but honestly I have seen more contractors like this than soldiers. Most people who interact with soldiers on a regular basis have very positive things to say about them. Actually, of all the people back home that I interact with on a regular basis less than half of them know what I do for a living. The few that know exactly what it is that I do are the ones that I am very close with. I have heard the line "I never would hve guessed you're in the military", more times than I can count. Which is exactly why I put very little weight in Chuteless's post.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #83 April 18, 2007 On the one hand chuteless makes gross generalisations and is argueably batshit crazy for being a fundamentalist but on the other hand we have you guys that are or were part of an imperialist army visiting death and destruction down on innocent people. It is a lose/lose situation in this thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,080 #84 April 18, 2007 Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #85 April 18, 2007 QuoteYour one warning. It was the batshit crazy wasn't it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #86 April 18, 2007 were part of an imperialist army visiting death and destruction down on innocent people. Quote Last time I checked there were only a small number of servicemembers involved in incidents such as this. All of the poeple sitting behind their keyboards bitching about how the US military is full of mindless bloodthirsty killing machines take a second and back up your claims. I ask anyone who has ever claimed that it is SOP for the US military to target innocents to take a few moments out of their lives to get a count of every soldier involved in an incident like this. It won't be hard to do, if there is even the slightest whisper of a soldier killing someone who wasn't standing in the street with an RPG in one hand and a sign in the other saying"I am here to declare jihad on the US", the media jumps all over it because that is what gets them ratings. Fuck what the majority of us in the military do while in combat, that one knucklehead that was so nervous because he was in his first firefight and winced and pulled the trigger too soon is the perfect example of how we should be portrayed, right? It's not too hard to get a count of every US servicemember who has killed an innocent, there are countless websites that document all the incidents where innocent civilians lost their lives(although I can't name one that lists all of the soldiers who have given their lives to protect innocents). Now after you have that number, take a look at the sources of all those reports, the majority of them come from anti-US establishments, so that number can obviously be a little bit exaggerated. Even if that wasn't true though, and the number were completely accurate, the count on soldiers who intentionally commit atrocities resulting in the death of innocent would be a mere fraction of the US military. Yet simple minded people continuously use this as a means to judge the entire culture of my military. I'll even be kind enough to throw in a little example for ya: Sure the guys on my team have a little bit of pride in what they've accomplished under fire, but I have never once heard someone say, "dude, it was so badass how many people I fuckin killed that day!!". The tone is always more geared towards how the team is proud about how it was faced with 3 to 1 odds and was able to come out on top with no casualties. To someone LOOKING for excuses to bash us, hell yeah it's going to look like we're proud that we ended lives. OTOH, to someone who can see it for what it is we are proud that we were able to face odds that very well should have claimed our lives and we came out on top. It's a thin line but it still has nothing to do with bloodlust, it has to do with survival, teamwork, and being proud that we have the ability to "one-up" the other team. I'm sorry if you are offended by the fact that us "winning" involves people losing their lives, but last time I checked the world I live in involves people dying. We don't live in your little fairy tale world where everyone can get along nicley, for some of us it's kill or be killed, and I fully intend to make sure that my teamates are around to watch their children grow up. So as for the claim that I am part of an imperialist army visiting death on innocent people........that's a pretty narrow-minded and biased claim. Take a look at the REAL numbers, and if you haven't let the extremist media control your thoughts too much you may see what is really going on. *DISCLAIMER:this of course is all just my personal opinion, I mean, honestly, what the hell would I know, I've only spent nearly 8 years of my life in the military and am currently on my third combat deployment so obviously a media source run by civilians knows more about the military mindset than me*History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #87 April 18, 2007 I haven't seen this many trolls in one place since I watched the 1970s animated Hobbit movie.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #88 April 18, 2007 Is it 2008 yet? The world is ending then right? I have some money in a pool.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #89 April 18, 2007 QuoteI haven't seen this many trolls in one place since I watched the 1970s animated Hobbit movie. DUDE.. wasnt there an Ivory Tower in that one where someone was completely clueless about the real world??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #90 April 19, 2007 Personally I am willing to let GOD sort usa all out based on how we have lived our lives....how we have treated others in life....you know.. show god by our deeds .. which includes not judging others.. LEST YE be judged. *** Wouldnt it be nice if chuteless and others like him would do the same?. they are so busy judging others how they could possibly have an actual relationship with God? after all...... what do they need a God for? they obviously feel that they can stand in for him... pronouncing who is evil and then revelling when something bad happens to them Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #91 April 19, 2007 Quotewere part of an imperialist army visiting death and destruction down on innocent people. Quote Last time I checked there were only a small number of servicemembers involved in incidents such as this. All of the poeple sitting behind their keyboards bitching about how the US military is full of mindless bloodthirsty killing machines take a second and back up your claims. I ask anyone who has ever claimed that it is SOP for the US military to target innocents to take a few moments out of their lives to get a count of every soldier involved in an incident like this. It won't be hard to do, if there is even the slightest whisper of a soldier killing someone who wasn't standing in the street with an RPG in one hand and a sign in the other saying"I am here to declare jihad on the US", the media jumps all over it because that is what gets them ratings. Fuck what the majority of us in the military do while in combat, that one knucklehead that was so nervous because he was in his first firefight and winced and pulled the trigger too soon is the perfect example of how we should be portrayed, right? It's not too hard to get a count of every US servicemember who has killed an innocent, there are countless websites that document all the incidents where innocent civilians lost their lives(although I can't name one that lists all of the soldiers who have given their lives to protect innocents). Now after you have that number, take a look at the sources of all those reports, the majority of them come from anti-US establishments, so that number can obviously be a little bit exaggerated. Even if that wasn't true though, and the number were completely accurate, the count on soldiers who intentionally commit atrocities resulting in the death of innocent would be a mere fraction of the US military. Yet simple minded people continuously use this as a means to judge the entire culture of my military. I'll even be kind enough to throw in a little example for ya: Sure the guys on my team have a little bit of pride in what they've accomplished under fire, but I have never once heard someone say, "dude, it was so badass how many people I fuckin killed that day!!". The tone is always more geared towards how the team is proud about how it was faced with 3 to 1 odds and was able to come out on top with no casualties. To someone LOOKING for excuses to bash us, hell yeah it's going to look like we're proud that we ended lives. OTOH, to someone who can see it for what it is we are proud that we were able to face odds that very well should have claimed our lives and we came out on top. It's a thin line but it still has nothing to do with bloodlust, it has to do with survival, teamwork, and being proud that we have the ability to "one-up" the other team. I'm sorry if you are offended by the fact that us "winning" involves people losing their lives, but last time I checked the world I live in involves people dying. We don't live in your little fairy tale world where everyone can get along nicley, for some of us it's kill or be killed, and I fully intend to make sure that my teamates are around to watch their children grow up. So as for the claim that I am part of an imperialist army visiting death on innocent people........that's a pretty narrow-minded and biased claim. Take a look at the REAL numbers, and if you haven't let the extremist media control your thoughts too much you may see what is really going on. *DISCLAIMER:this of course is all just my personal opinion, I mean, honestly, what the hell would I know, I've only spent nearly 8 years of my life in the military and am currently on my third combat deployment so obviously a media source run by civilians knows more about the military mindset than me* Exactly you have spent 8 years in army, what would you know? The answer is not much after that much indoctrination. I have said nothing about the individual atrocities committed by soldiers or the mind set of soldiers and I am not only sure but know there are smart and kind people in the military. However I am not talking about that at all I am talking about the U.S military as a whole, its role and the function it serves. The U.S armed forces is an imperial army, the army of the world’s only super power and for the last century and before you have cost the lives of MILLIONS of people and if you think it was for their freedom and fighting “bad guys” I suggest you leave the brainwashing military complex and pick up a history book. Quote . I'm sorry if you are offended by the fact that us "winning" involves people losing their lives Winning? In recent history you invaded two countries and have killed thousands of people for no reason other than the expansion of U.S interests. Quote So as for the claim that I am part of an imperialist army visiting death on innocent people........that's a pretty narrow-minded and biased claim Yeah how narrow minded people are with these irrefutable facts documented thoroughly through out the last century of U.S imperialism. What don’t you get about the U.S being the only world super power and exploiting and killing the majority of the world for its own economic interests? It is the ONLY function of your “military culture”. You think you are the first nation to spread love with a giant army? All the other nations throughout history with the biggest army were used for death and destruction but you guys are the magical exception spreading peace and democracy and fighting the “bad guys”? I guess I just misunderstand your “military culture” right? Because 9 out of 10 deaths in war are non-combatants and 3 out of 10 are children, but if that’s the price for “winning” against “terrorists” you will pay it out of the goodness of your heart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #92 April 19, 2007 Exactly you have spent 8 years in army, what would you know? The answer is not much after that much indoctrination. Quote Once again you sit there making claims about how brainwashed I am when you have never met me. You use the simple explanation that I believe something that contradicts your "truths" to perpetuate your disdain for those of us in the military. I apologize once again if you are offended that people have to die in order for me to come home in one piece, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I will never intentionally send a man to his grave if he is an innocent. That last statement you made about the number of combatant vs non-combatant casualties is utter BS. There may be a shred of truth to that if you count the number of deaths caused by suicide bombers intentionally attacking women and children in market places.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #93 April 19, 2007 QuoteOnce again you sit there making claims about how brainwashed I am when you have never met me. You use the simple explanation that I believe something that contradicts your "truths" to perpetuate your disdain for those of us in the military. I apologize once again if you are offended that people have to die in order for me to come home in one piece, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I will never intentionally send a man to his grave if he is an innocent. I make claims without knowing you and then you say things like this... Quote That last statement you made about the number of combatant vs non-combatant casualties is utter BS. There may be a shred of truth to that if you count the number of deaths caused by suicide bombers intentionally attacking women and children in market places. The numbers are taken from several world health organizations and research institutes including NGO Emergency and co-founder Dr. Gino Strada. The ONLY war of the 20th and 21st century that breaks this rule and has a 2:1 ratio of combatants to civilian deaths is the great war. Considering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Modern warfare is pretty easy to research so I suggest you do some instead of listening to your employment hierarchy or taking my word for it. 90% of the casualties of war are civilian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #94 April 20, 2007 Considering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #95 April 20, 2007 QuoteThe usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'... [/Rawhide!]Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #96 April 20, 2007 QuoteConsidering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable. Well for one look at your signature within the context of your beliefs and the beliefs of the person you are quoting. - Orwell was critical of imperialism - You are in an imperial armed force - Orwell was critical of representative democracy - You fight for a representative democracy with the exact faults Orwell was critical of - Orwell fought with Marxists and anarchists - You fight with the U.S army In effect his quote speaks of the exact opposite to what your views on war are and what your job is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PWScottIV 0 #97 April 20, 2007 Quote "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Yeah, they didn't have arms or guns.Gravity Waits for No One. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #98 April 20, 2007 QuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... you are getting something far differant than what he said in MANY interviews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #99 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... With statements like that? He fought under the anti-Stalinist communist party along side Marxists and anarchists in the Spanish civil war. He went from north London to Spain in 1936 specifically to take up arms with them against Franco. Have I read his books? Have you?! He wrote a book about the entire experience. Quote you are getting something far different than what he said in MANY interviews. What interviews do you have in mind? Maybe you can link me to them because I would enjoy reading them if they are ones I haven’t previously encountered. Allow me Amazon to pose a counter question to you. Have you only read 1984 in high school many years ago or something? Orwell was not anti-communist. Orwell while never really defining himself was extremely left wing and completely pro communism/socialism/anarchism and a few times referred to himself as an anarchist. What Orwell also was, was anti-Stalinist, anti-fascist and anti-totalitarian; those being the subjects of 1984 and Animal Farm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #100 April 20, 2007 Oh.. excuse me.. I forgot .. only the far leftist intelligencia can ever have read anything... sorry I was always impressed with his feelings about fascism and totalitarianism.. so much so that he put his ASS on the line.. instead of just reading about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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ErricoMalatesta 0 #83 April 18, 2007 On the one hand chuteless makes gross generalisations and is argueably batshit crazy for being a fundamentalist but on the other hand we have you guys that are or were part of an imperialist army visiting death and destruction down on innocent people. It is a lose/lose situation in this thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #84 April 18, 2007 Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #85 April 18, 2007 QuoteYour one warning. It was the batshit crazy wasn't it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #86 April 18, 2007 were part of an imperialist army visiting death and destruction down on innocent people. Quote Last time I checked there were only a small number of servicemembers involved in incidents such as this. All of the poeple sitting behind their keyboards bitching about how the US military is full of mindless bloodthirsty killing machines take a second and back up your claims. I ask anyone who has ever claimed that it is SOP for the US military to target innocents to take a few moments out of their lives to get a count of every soldier involved in an incident like this. It won't be hard to do, if there is even the slightest whisper of a soldier killing someone who wasn't standing in the street with an RPG in one hand and a sign in the other saying"I am here to declare jihad on the US", the media jumps all over it because that is what gets them ratings. Fuck what the majority of us in the military do while in combat, that one knucklehead that was so nervous because he was in his first firefight and winced and pulled the trigger too soon is the perfect example of how we should be portrayed, right? It's not too hard to get a count of every US servicemember who has killed an innocent, there are countless websites that document all the incidents where innocent civilians lost their lives(although I can't name one that lists all of the soldiers who have given their lives to protect innocents). Now after you have that number, take a look at the sources of all those reports, the majority of them come from anti-US establishments, so that number can obviously be a little bit exaggerated. Even if that wasn't true though, and the number were completely accurate, the count on soldiers who intentionally commit atrocities resulting in the death of innocent would be a mere fraction of the US military. Yet simple minded people continuously use this as a means to judge the entire culture of my military. I'll even be kind enough to throw in a little example for ya: Sure the guys on my team have a little bit of pride in what they've accomplished under fire, but I have never once heard someone say, "dude, it was so badass how many people I fuckin killed that day!!". The tone is always more geared towards how the team is proud about how it was faced with 3 to 1 odds and was able to come out on top with no casualties. To someone LOOKING for excuses to bash us, hell yeah it's going to look like we're proud that we ended lives. OTOH, to someone who can see it for what it is we are proud that we were able to face odds that very well should have claimed our lives and we came out on top. It's a thin line but it still has nothing to do with bloodlust, it has to do with survival, teamwork, and being proud that we have the ability to "one-up" the other team. I'm sorry if you are offended by the fact that us "winning" involves people losing their lives, but last time I checked the world I live in involves people dying. We don't live in your little fairy tale world where everyone can get along nicley, for some of us it's kill or be killed, and I fully intend to make sure that my teamates are around to watch their children grow up. So as for the claim that I am part of an imperialist army visiting death on innocent people........that's a pretty narrow-minded and biased claim. Take a look at the REAL numbers, and if you haven't let the extremist media control your thoughts too much you may see what is really going on. *DISCLAIMER:this of course is all just my personal opinion, I mean, honestly, what the hell would I know, I've only spent nearly 8 years of my life in the military and am currently on my third combat deployment so obviously a media source run by civilians knows more about the military mindset than me*History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #87 April 18, 2007 I haven't seen this many trolls in one place since I watched the 1970s animated Hobbit movie.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #88 April 18, 2007 Is it 2008 yet? The world is ending then right? I have some money in a pool.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #89 April 18, 2007 QuoteI haven't seen this many trolls in one place since I watched the 1970s animated Hobbit movie. DUDE.. wasnt there an Ivory Tower in that one where someone was completely clueless about the real world??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #90 April 19, 2007 Personally I am willing to let GOD sort usa all out based on how we have lived our lives....how we have treated others in life....you know.. show god by our deeds .. which includes not judging others.. LEST YE be judged. *** Wouldnt it be nice if chuteless and others like him would do the same?. they are so busy judging others how they could possibly have an actual relationship with God? after all...... what do they need a God for? they obviously feel that they can stand in for him... pronouncing who is evil and then revelling when something bad happens to them Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #91 April 19, 2007 Quotewere part of an imperialist army visiting death and destruction down on innocent people. Quote Last time I checked there were only a small number of servicemembers involved in incidents such as this. All of the poeple sitting behind their keyboards bitching about how the US military is full of mindless bloodthirsty killing machines take a second and back up your claims. I ask anyone who has ever claimed that it is SOP for the US military to target innocents to take a few moments out of their lives to get a count of every soldier involved in an incident like this. It won't be hard to do, if there is even the slightest whisper of a soldier killing someone who wasn't standing in the street with an RPG in one hand and a sign in the other saying"I am here to declare jihad on the US", the media jumps all over it because that is what gets them ratings. Fuck what the majority of us in the military do while in combat, that one knucklehead that was so nervous because he was in his first firefight and winced and pulled the trigger too soon is the perfect example of how we should be portrayed, right? It's not too hard to get a count of every US servicemember who has killed an innocent, there are countless websites that document all the incidents where innocent civilians lost their lives(although I can't name one that lists all of the soldiers who have given their lives to protect innocents). Now after you have that number, take a look at the sources of all those reports, the majority of them come from anti-US establishments, so that number can obviously be a little bit exaggerated. Even if that wasn't true though, and the number were completely accurate, the count on soldiers who intentionally commit atrocities resulting in the death of innocent would be a mere fraction of the US military. Yet simple minded people continuously use this as a means to judge the entire culture of my military. I'll even be kind enough to throw in a little example for ya: Sure the guys on my team have a little bit of pride in what they've accomplished under fire, but I have never once heard someone say, "dude, it was so badass how many people I fuckin killed that day!!". The tone is always more geared towards how the team is proud about how it was faced with 3 to 1 odds and was able to come out on top with no casualties. To someone LOOKING for excuses to bash us, hell yeah it's going to look like we're proud that we ended lives. OTOH, to someone who can see it for what it is we are proud that we were able to face odds that very well should have claimed our lives and we came out on top. It's a thin line but it still has nothing to do with bloodlust, it has to do with survival, teamwork, and being proud that we have the ability to "one-up" the other team. I'm sorry if you are offended by the fact that us "winning" involves people losing their lives, but last time I checked the world I live in involves people dying. We don't live in your little fairy tale world where everyone can get along nicley, for some of us it's kill or be killed, and I fully intend to make sure that my teamates are around to watch their children grow up. So as for the claim that I am part of an imperialist army visiting death on innocent people........that's a pretty narrow-minded and biased claim. Take a look at the REAL numbers, and if you haven't let the extremist media control your thoughts too much you may see what is really going on. *DISCLAIMER:this of course is all just my personal opinion, I mean, honestly, what the hell would I know, I've only spent nearly 8 years of my life in the military and am currently on my third combat deployment so obviously a media source run by civilians knows more about the military mindset than me* Exactly you have spent 8 years in army, what would you know? The answer is not much after that much indoctrination. I have said nothing about the individual atrocities committed by soldiers or the mind set of soldiers and I am not only sure but know there are smart and kind people in the military. However I am not talking about that at all I am talking about the U.S military as a whole, its role and the function it serves. The U.S armed forces is an imperial army, the army of the world’s only super power and for the last century and before you have cost the lives of MILLIONS of people and if you think it was for their freedom and fighting “bad guys” I suggest you leave the brainwashing military complex and pick up a history book. Quote . I'm sorry if you are offended by the fact that us "winning" involves people losing their lives Winning? In recent history you invaded two countries and have killed thousands of people for no reason other than the expansion of U.S interests. Quote So as for the claim that I am part of an imperialist army visiting death on innocent people........that's a pretty narrow-minded and biased claim Yeah how narrow minded people are with these irrefutable facts documented thoroughly through out the last century of U.S imperialism. What don’t you get about the U.S being the only world super power and exploiting and killing the majority of the world for its own economic interests? It is the ONLY function of your “military culture”. You think you are the first nation to spread love with a giant army? All the other nations throughout history with the biggest army were used for death and destruction but you guys are the magical exception spreading peace and democracy and fighting the “bad guys”? I guess I just misunderstand your “military culture” right? Because 9 out of 10 deaths in war are non-combatants and 3 out of 10 are children, but if that’s the price for “winning” against “terrorists” you will pay it out of the goodness of your heart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #92 April 19, 2007 Exactly you have spent 8 years in army, what would you know? The answer is not much after that much indoctrination. Quote Once again you sit there making claims about how brainwashed I am when you have never met me. You use the simple explanation that I believe something that contradicts your "truths" to perpetuate your disdain for those of us in the military. I apologize once again if you are offended that people have to die in order for me to come home in one piece, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I will never intentionally send a man to his grave if he is an innocent. That last statement you made about the number of combatant vs non-combatant casualties is utter BS. There may be a shred of truth to that if you count the number of deaths caused by suicide bombers intentionally attacking women and children in market places.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #93 April 19, 2007 QuoteOnce again you sit there making claims about how brainwashed I am when you have never met me. You use the simple explanation that I believe something that contradicts your "truths" to perpetuate your disdain for those of us in the military. I apologize once again if you are offended that people have to die in order for me to come home in one piece, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I will never intentionally send a man to his grave if he is an innocent. I make claims without knowing you and then you say things like this... Quote That last statement you made about the number of combatant vs non-combatant casualties is utter BS. There may be a shred of truth to that if you count the number of deaths caused by suicide bombers intentionally attacking women and children in market places. The numbers are taken from several world health organizations and research institutes including NGO Emergency and co-founder Dr. Gino Strada. The ONLY war of the 20th and 21st century that breaks this rule and has a 2:1 ratio of combatants to civilian deaths is the great war. Considering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Modern warfare is pretty easy to research so I suggest you do some instead of listening to your employment hierarchy or taking my word for it. 90% of the casualties of war are civilian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #94 April 20, 2007 Considering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #95 April 20, 2007 QuoteThe usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'... [/Rawhide!]Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #96 April 20, 2007 QuoteConsidering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable. Well for one look at your signature within the context of your beliefs and the beliefs of the person you are quoting. - Orwell was critical of imperialism - You are in an imperial armed force - Orwell was critical of representative democracy - You fight for a representative democracy with the exact faults Orwell was critical of - Orwell fought with Marxists and anarchists - You fight with the U.S army In effect his quote speaks of the exact opposite to what your views on war are and what your job is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PWScottIV 0 #97 April 20, 2007 Quote "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Yeah, they didn't have arms or guns.Gravity Waits for No One. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #98 April 20, 2007 QuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... you are getting something far differant than what he said in MANY interviews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #99 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... With statements like that? He fought under the anti-Stalinist communist party along side Marxists and anarchists in the Spanish civil war. He went from north London to Spain in 1936 specifically to take up arms with them against Franco. Have I read his books? Have you?! He wrote a book about the entire experience. Quote you are getting something far different than what he said in MANY interviews. What interviews do you have in mind? Maybe you can link me to them because I would enjoy reading them if they are ones I haven’t previously encountered. Allow me Amazon to pose a counter question to you. Have you only read 1984 in high school many years ago or something? Orwell was not anti-communist. Orwell while never really defining himself was extremely left wing and completely pro communism/socialism/anarchism and a few times referred to himself as an anarchist. What Orwell also was, was anti-Stalinist, anti-fascist and anti-totalitarian; those being the subjects of 1984 and Animal Farm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #100 April 20, 2007 Oh.. excuse me.. I forgot .. only the far leftist intelligencia can ever have read anything... sorry I was always impressed with his feelings about fascism and totalitarianism.. so much so that he put his ASS on the line.. instead of just reading about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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ExAFO 0 #87 April 18, 2007 I haven't seen this many trolls in one place since I watched the 1970s animated Hobbit movie.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #88 April 18, 2007 Is it 2008 yet? The world is ending then right? I have some money in a pool.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #89 April 18, 2007 QuoteI haven't seen this many trolls in one place since I watched the 1970s animated Hobbit movie. DUDE.. wasnt there an Ivory Tower in that one where someone was completely clueless about the real world??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #90 April 19, 2007 Personally I am willing to let GOD sort usa all out based on how we have lived our lives....how we have treated others in life....you know.. show god by our deeds .. which includes not judging others.. LEST YE be judged. *** Wouldnt it be nice if chuteless and others like him would do the same?. they are so busy judging others how they could possibly have an actual relationship with God? after all...... what do they need a God for? they obviously feel that they can stand in for him... pronouncing who is evil and then revelling when something bad happens to them Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #91 April 19, 2007 Quotewere part of an imperialist army visiting death and destruction down on innocent people. Quote Last time I checked there were only a small number of servicemembers involved in incidents such as this. All of the poeple sitting behind their keyboards bitching about how the US military is full of mindless bloodthirsty killing machines take a second and back up your claims. I ask anyone who has ever claimed that it is SOP for the US military to target innocents to take a few moments out of their lives to get a count of every soldier involved in an incident like this. It won't be hard to do, if there is even the slightest whisper of a soldier killing someone who wasn't standing in the street with an RPG in one hand and a sign in the other saying"I am here to declare jihad on the US", the media jumps all over it because that is what gets them ratings. Fuck what the majority of us in the military do while in combat, that one knucklehead that was so nervous because he was in his first firefight and winced and pulled the trigger too soon is the perfect example of how we should be portrayed, right? It's not too hard to get a count of every US servicemember who has killed an innocent, there are countless websites that document all the incidents where innocent civilians lost their lives(although I can't name one that lists all of the soldiers who have given their lives to protect innocents). Now after you have that number, take a look at the sources of all those reports, the majority of them come from anti-US establishments, so that number can obviously be a little bit exaggerated. Even if that wasn't true though, and the number were completely accurate, the count on soldiers who intentionally commit atrocities resulting in the death of innocent would be a mere fraction of the US military. Yet simple minded people continuously use this as a means to judge the entire culture of my military. I'll even be kind enough to throw in a little example for ya: Sure the guys on my team have a little bit of pride in what they've accomplished under fire, but I have never once heard someone say, "dude, it was so badass how many people I fuckin killed that day!!". The tone is always more geared towards how the team is proud about how it was faced with 3 to 1 odds and was able to come out on top with no casualties. To someone LOOKING for excuses to bash us, hell yeah it's going to look like we're proud that we ended lives. OTOH, to someone who can see it for what it is we are proud that we were able to face odds that very well should have claimed our lives and we came out on top. It's a thin line but it still has nothing to do with bloodlust, it has to do with survival, teamwork, and being proud that we have the ability to "one-up" the other team. I'm sorry if you are offended by the fact that us "winning" involves people losing their lives, but last time I checked the world I live in involves people dying. We don't live in your little fairy tale world where everyone can get along nicley, for some of us it's kill or be killed, and I fully intend to make sure that my teamates are around to watch their children grow up. So as for the claim that I am part of an imperialist army visiting death on innocent people........that's a pretty narrow-minded and biased claim. Take a look at the REAL numbers, and if you haven't let the extremist media control your thoughts too much you may see what is really going on. *DISCLAIMER:this of course is all just my personal opinion, I mean, honestly, what the hell would I know, I've only spent nearly 8 years of my life in the military and am currently on my third combat deployment so obviously a media source run by civilians knows more about the military mindset than me* Exactly you have spent 8 years in army, what would you know? The answer is not much after that much indoctrination. I have said nothing about the individual atrocities committed by soldiers or the mind set of soldiers and I am not only sure but know there are smart and kind people in the military. However I am not talking about that at all I am talking about the U.S military as a whole, its role and the function it serves. The U.S armed forces is an imperial army, the army of the world’s only super power and for the last century and before you have cost the lives of MILLIONS of people and if you think it was for their freedom and fighting “bad guys” I suggest you leave the brainwashing military complex and pick up a history book. Quote . I'm sorry if you are offended by the fact that us "winning" involves people losing their lives Winning? In recent history you invaded two countries and have killed thousands of people for no reason other than the expansion of U.S interests. Quote So as for the claim that I am part of an imperialist army visiting death on innocent people........that's a pretty narrow-minded and biased claim Yeah how narrow minded people are with these irrefutable facts documented thoroughly through out the last century of U.S imperialism. What don’t you get about the U.S being the only world super power and exploiting and killing the majority of the world for its own economic interests? It is the ONLY function of your “military culture”. You think you are the first nation to spread love with a giant army? All the other nations throughout history with the biggest army were used for death and destruction but you guys are the magical exception spreading peace and democracy and fighting the “bad guys”? I guess I just misunderstand your “military culture” right? Because 9 out of 10 deaths in war are non-combatants and 3 out of 10 are children, but if that’s the price for “winning” against “terrorists” you will pay it out of the goodness of your heart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #92 April 19, 2007 Exactly you have spent 8 years in army, what would you know? The answer is not much after that much indoctrination. Quote Once again you sit there making claims about how brainwashed I am when you have never met me. You use the simple explanation that I believe something that contradicts your "truths" to perpetuate your disdain for those of us in the military. I apologize once again if you are offended that people have to die in order for me to come home in one piece, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I will never intentionally send a man to his grave if he is an innocent. That last statement you made about the number of combatant vs non-combatant casualties is utter BS. There may be a shred of truth to that if you count the number of deaths caused by suicide bombers intentionally attacking women and children in market places.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #93 April 19, 2007 QuoteOnce again you sit there making claims about how brainwashed I am when you have never met me. You use the simple explanation that I believe something that contradicts your "truths" to perpetuate your disdain for those of us in the military. I apologize once again if you are offended that people have to die in order for me to come home in one piece, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I will never intentionally send a man to his grave if he is an innocent. I make claims without knowing you and then you say things like this... Quote That last statement you made about the number of combatant vs non-combatant casualties is utter BS. There may be a shred of truth to that if you count the number of deaths caused by suicide bombers intentionally attacking women and children in market places. The numbers are taken from several world health organizations and research institutes including NGO Emergency and co-founder Dr. Gino Strada. The ONLY war of the 20th and 21st century that breaks this rule and has a 2:1 ratio of combatants to civilian deaths is the great war. Considering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Modern warfare is pretty easy to research so I suggest you do some instead of listening to your employment hierarchy or taking my word for it. 90% of the casualties of war are civilian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #94 April 20, 2007 Considering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #95 April 20, 2007 QuoteThe usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'... [/Rawhide!]Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #96 April 20, 2007 QuoteConsidering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable. Well for one look at your signature within the context of your beliefs and the beliefs of the person you are quoting. - Orwell was critical of imperialism - You are in an imperial armed force - Orwell was critical of representative democracy - You fight for a representative democracy with the exact faults Orwell was critical of - Orwell fought with Marxists and anarchists - You fight with the U.S army In effect his quote speaks of the exact opposite to what your views on war are and what your job is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PWScottIV 0 #97 April 20, 2007 Quote "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Yeah, they didn't have arms or guns.Gravity Waits for No One. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #98 April 20, 2007 QuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... you are getting something far differant than what he said in MANY interviews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #99 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... With statements like that? He fought under the anti-Stalinist communist party along side Marxists and anarchists in the Spanish civil war. He went from north London to Spain in 1936 specifically to take up arms with them against Franco. Have I read his books? Have you?! He wrote a book about the entire experience. Quote you are getting something far different than what he said in MANY interviews. What interviews do you have in mind? Maybe you can link me to them because I would enjoy reading them if they are ones I haven’t previously encountered. Allow me Amazon to pose a counter question to you. Have you only read 1984 in high school many years ago or something? Orwell was not anti-communist. Orwell while never really defining himself was extremely left wing and completely pro communism/socialism/anarchism and a few times referred to himself as an anarchist. What Orwell also was, was anti-Stalinist, anti-fascist and anti-totalitarian; those being the subjects of 1984 and Animal Farm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #100 April 20, 2007 Oh.. excuse me.. I forgot .. only the far leftist intelligencia can ever have read anything... sorry I was always impressed with his feelings about fascism and totalitarianism.. so much so that he put his ASS on the line.. instead of just reading about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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GQ_jumper 4 #92 April 19, 2007 Exactly you have spent 8 years in army, what would you know? The answer is not much after that much indoctrination. Quote Once again you sit there making claims about how brainwashed I am when you have never met me. You use the simple explanation that I believe something that contradicts your "truths" to perpetuate your disdain for those of us in the military. I apologize once again if you are offended that people have to die in order for me to come home in one piece, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I will never intentionally send a man to his grave if he is an innocent. That last statement you made about the number of combatant vs non-combatant casualties is utter BS. There may be a shred of truth to that if you count the number of deaths caused by suicide bombers intentionally attacking women and children in market places.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #93 April 19, 2007 QuoteOnce again you sit there making claims about how brainwashed I am when you have never met me. You use the simple explanation that I believe something that contradicts your "truths" to perpetuate your disdain for those of us in the military. I apologize once again if you are offended that people have to die in order for me to come home in one piece, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I will never intentionally send a man to his grave if he is an innocent. I make claims without knowing you and then you say things like this... Quote That last statement you made about the number of combatant vs non-combatant casualties is utter BS. There may be a shred of truth to that if you count the number of deaths caused by suicide bombers intentionally attacking women and children in market places. The numbers are taken from several world health organizations and research institutes including NGO Emergency and co-founder Dr. Gino Strada. The ONLY war of the 20th and 21st century that breaks this rule and has a 2:1 ratio of combatants to civilian deaths is the great war. Considering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Modern warfare is pretty easy to research so I suggest you do some instead of listening to your employment hierarchy or taking my word for it. 90% of the casualties of war are civilian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #94 April 20, 2007 Considering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #95 April 20, 2007 QuoteThe usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'... [/Rawhide!]Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #96 April 20, 2007 QuoteConsidering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable. Well for one look at your signature within the context of your beliefs and the beliefs of the person you are quoting. - Orwell was critical of imperialism - You are in an imperial armed force - Orwell was critical of representative democracy - You fight for a representative democracy with the exact faults Orwell was critical of - Orwell fought with Marxists and anarchists - You fight with the U.S army In effect his quote speaks of the exact opposite to what your views on war are and what your job is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PWScottIV 0 #97 April 20, 2007 Quote "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Yeah, they didn't have arms or guns.Gravity Waits for No One. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #98 April 20, 2007 QuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... you are getting something far differant than what he said in MANY interviews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #99 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... With statements like that? He fought under the anti-Stalinist communist party along side Marxists and anarchists in the Spanish civil war. He went from north London to Spain in 1936 specifically to take up arms with them against Franco. Have I read his books? Have you?! He wrote a book about the entire experience. Quote you are getting something far different than what he said in MANY interviews. What interviews do you have in mind? Maybe you can link me to them because I would enjoy reading them if they are ones I haven’t previously encountered. Allow me Amazon to pose a counter question to you. Have you only read 1984 in high school many years ago or something? Orwell was not anti-communist. Orwell while never really defining himself was extremely left wing and completely pro communism/socialism/anarchism and a few times referred to himself as an anarchist. What Orwell also was, was anti-Stalinist, anti-fascist and anti-totalitarian; those being the subjects of 1984 and Animal Farm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #100 April 20, 2007 Oh.. excuse me.. I forgot .. only the far leftist intelligencia can ever have read anything... sorry I was always impressed with his feelings about fascism and totalitarianism.. so much so that he put his ASS on the line.. instead of just reading about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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ErricoMalatesta 0 #93 April 19, 2007 QuoteOnce again you sit there making claims about how brainwashed I am when you have never met me. You use the simple explanation that I believe something that contradicts your "truths" to perpetuate your disdain for those of us in the military. I apologize once again if you are offended that people have to die in order for me to come home in one piece, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I will never intentionally send a man to his grave if he is an innocent. I make claims without knowing you and then you say things like this... Quote That last statement you made about the number of combatant vs non-combatant casualties is utter BS. There may be a shred of truth to that if you count the number of deaths caused by suicide bombers intentionally attacking women and children in market places. The numbers are taken from several world health organizations and research institutes including NGO Emergency and co-founder Dr. Gino Strada. The ONLY war of the 20th and 21st century that breaks this rule and has a 2:1 ratio of combatants to civilian deaths is the great war. Considering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Modern warfare is pretty easy to research so I suggest you do some instead of listening to your employment hierarchy or taking my word for it. 90% of the casualties of war are civilian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #94 April 20, 2007 Considering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #95 April 20, 2007 QuoteThe usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'... [/Rawhide!]Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #96 April 20, 2007 QuoteConsidering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable. Well for one look at your signature within the context of your beliefs and the beliefs of the person you are quoting. - Orwell was critical of imperialism - You are in an imperial armed force - Orwell was critical of representative democracy - You fight for a representative democracy with the exact faults Orwell was critical of - Orwell fought with Marxists and anarchists - You fight with the U.S army In effect his quote speaks of the exact opposite to what your views on war are and what your job is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PWScottIV 0 #97 April 20, 2007 Quote "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Yeah, they didn't have arms or guns.Gravity Waits for No One. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #98 April 20, 2007 QuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... you are getting something far differant than what he said in MANY interviews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #99 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... With statements like that? He fought under the anti-Stalinist communist party along side Marxists and anarchists in the Spanish civil war. He went from north London to Spain in 1936 specifically to take up arms with them against Franco. Have I read his books? Have you?! He wrote a book about the entire experience. Quote you are getting something far different than what he said in MANY interviews. What interviews do you have in mind? Maybe you can link me to them because I would enjoy reading them if they are ones I haven’t previously encountered. Allow me Amazon to pose a counter question to you. Have you only read 1984 in high school many years ago or something? Orwell was not anti-communist. Orwell while never really defining himself was extremely left wing and completely pro communism/socialism/anarchism and a few times referred to himself as an anarchist. What Orwell also was, was anti-Stalinist, anti-fascist and anti-totalitarian; those being the subjects of 1984 and Animal Farm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #100 April 20, 2007 Oh.. excuse me.. I forgot .. only the far leftist intelligencia can ever have read anything... sorry I was always impressed with his feelings about fascism and totalitarianism.. so much so that he put his ASS on the line.. instead of just reading about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
ExAFO 0 #95 April 20, 2007 QuoteThe usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'... [/Rawhide!]Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #96 April 20, 2007 QuoteConsidering you play an active role in war I wouldn't be surprised if you have further misunderstandings about how wars work. Quote I'd love to be able to step into your reality for a day and see how everything works. I failed to realize that taking part in something made you less knowledgeable. Well for one look at your signature within the context of your beliefs and the beliefs of the person you are quoting. - Orwell was critical of imperialism - You are in an imperial armed force - Orwell was critical of representative democracy - You fight for a representative democracy with the exact faults Orwell was critical of - Orwell fought with Marxists and anarchists - You fight with the U.S army In effect his quote speaks of the exact opposite to what your views on war are and what your job is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PWScottIV 0 #97 April 20, 2007 Quote "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Yeah, they didn't have arms or guns.Gravity Waits for No One. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #98 April 20, 2007 QuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... you are getting something far differant than what he said in MANY interviews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #99 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... With statements like that? He fought under the anti-Stalinist communist party along side Marxists and anarchists in the Spanish civil war. He went from north London to Spain in 1936 specifically to take up arms with them against Franco. Have I read his books? Have you?! He wrote a book about the entire experience. Quote you are getting something far different than what he said in MANY interviews. What interviews do you have in mind? Maybe you can link me to them because I would enjoy reading them if they are ones I haven’t previously encountered. Allow me Amazon to pose a counter question to you. Have you only read 1984 in high school many years ago or something? Orwell was not anti-communist. Orwell while never really defining himself was extremely left wing and completely pro communism/socialism/anarchism and a few times referred to himself as an anarchist. What Orwell also was, was anti-Stalinist, anti-fascist and anti-totalitarian; those being the subjects of 1984 and Animal Farm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #100 April 20, 2007 Oh.. excuse me.. I forgot .. only the far leftist intelligencia can ever have read anything... sorry I was always impressed with his feelings about fascism and totalitarianism.. so much so that he put his ASS on the line.. instead of just reading about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
PWScottIV 0 #97 April 20, 2007 Quote "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Yeah, they didn't have arms or guns.Gravity Waits for No One. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #98 April 20, 2007 QuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... you are getting something far differant than what he said in MANY interviews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #99 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteOrwell fought with Marxists and anarchists Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... With statements like that? He fought under the anti-Stalinist communist party along side Marxists and anarchists in the Spanish civil war. He went from north London to Spain in 1936 specifically to take up arms with them against Franco. Have I read his books? Have you?! He wrote a book about the entire experience. Quote you are getting something far different than what he said in MANY interviews. What interviews do you have in mind? Maybe you can link me to them because I would enjoy reading them if they are ones I haven’t previously encountered. Allow me Amazon to pose a counter question to you. Have you only read 1984 in high school many years ago or something? Orwell was not anti-communist. Orwell while never really defining himself was extremely left wing and completely pro communism/socialism/anarchism and a few times referred to himself as an anarchist. What Orwell also was, was anti-Stalinist, anti-fascist and anti-totalitarian; those being the subjects of 1984 and Animal Farm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #100 April 20, 2007 Oh.. excuse me.. I forgot .. only the far leftist intelligencia can ever have read anything... sorry I was always impressed with his feelings about fascism and totalitarianism.. so much so that he put his ASS on the line.. instead of just reading about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
