Skyrad 0 #1 April 16, 2007 http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=13376 The marines opened fire indiscriminately following the attack on their convoy on March 4. They killed at least 12 civilians and wounded more than 33 others, The Post said. The dead included a one-year-old boy, a 4-year-old girl, three women and elderly villagers, according to a report by the Afghan Human Rights Commission (AHRC).When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #2 April 16, 2007 QuoteThe dead included a one-year-old boy, a 4-year-old girl, three women and elderly villagers Terrorists. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #3 April 16, 2007 Old news... Apparently, supposedly, the marines were very edgy after the attack and wanted to make sure no one else got a chance to mount another attack before they got out of town. Still the wrong thing to do, firing indiscriminately miles away... but as they say, "war is hell" and "sometimes innocent lives are lost in the fog of war"."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #4 April 16, 2007 "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #5 April 16, 2007 The usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #6 April 16, 2007 > "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Civilians without weapons or upper extremities, perhaps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #7 April 16, 2007 Quote > "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Civilians without weapons or upper extremities, perhaps. Truth is, there are probably more civilians without legs than arms over there, what with an unbelievable amount of land mines left out in the country from the Soviet invasion. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #8 April 16, 2007 QuoteThe usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! As a former US soldier and one whose son serves in Afghanistan, I find your generalization repugnant, but I have come to expect that from you. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #9 April 16, 2007 QuoteI find your generalization repugnant, but I have come to expect that from you. I'd just say ignorant and petty and lazy. But, if all you know is what is put out by Hollywood, then that sheds light on that type of comment so some understanding is in order. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #10 April 16, 2007 QuoteThe usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! You know what Bill, I don't think that was called for at all....at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #11 April 17, 2007 The usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. *** shouldnt you go back to your inane theological rants? a few bad apples got in the barrel but for you to use that broad of a brush shows you have no respect for the forces that give YOU the right to say this shit! *edit to add- got mad, forgot for a bit that your canadian. but I stand by what I said you make me sick. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #12 April 17, 2007 Quote> "unarmed unarmed civillians"? Civilians without weapons or upper extremities, perhaps.LOL. Good one. Not that the sitution is funnyI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #13 April 17, 2007 Quote The usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! Did you get that from Revalations? That's about the basest thing you've said to date Bill. I once had some sympathy for your plight with the Canadian parachute association but with shit like that I can only conclude that your personality must have earned it in spades. As far as I'm concerned your accomplishments will be forever tainted by your despicable remarks. Have fun wasting away at the home once those prophecies you've been pinning your hopes on don't pan out. Dirty a sheet for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #14 April 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! As a former US soldier and one whose son serves in Afghanistan, I find your generalization repugnant, but I have come to expect that from you. Stevorino, Sorry you have to hear nonsense like that from time to time. I hope Americans realize that not everyone from Canada (or Europe) thinks this way. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #15 April 17, 2007 QuoteThe usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Sure it is trolling and an exageration for the individual actions of soldiers...but fairly true as a metaphor in the broader context of U.S foreign policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 April 17, 2007 Still trolling, I see...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #17 April 17, 2007 The usual M.O. is to rape them first . Thats how the USA usually does it. Vietnam...Iraq.... and some guy posted awhile ago and asked why the USA is hated so much all around the world.!!! Quote None of us were there and know the exact circumstances that caused the Marines to open fire a second time, but you obvioulsy have no idea about the kind of emotions you have to deal with in an engagement. When you've just spent any period of time fighting for your life you're amped up and ready to kill anything that looks like it could present a threat to you. Your statements were completely uncalled for. Edit to add: I am not trying to justify the deaths of innocents but i despise people making statements like the one I replied to.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jasmin 0 #18 April 17, 2007 Whilst the shooting/suicide bombing is indeed old news, the US army's findings largely agreeing with the Afghani report is not. For those of you who missed the original coverage: (from smh) *** In its report, the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission condemned the suicide bomb attack that initially struck a convoy of a Marine Special Operations unit, wounding one American, and said there might also have been small-arms fire directed at the convoy immediately after the blast. But it said the response was disproportionate, especially given the obviously non-military nature of the marines' targets long after the ambush. "In failing to distinguish between civilians and legitimate military targets, the [marines] employed indiscriminate force," the report said. "Their actions thus constitute a serious violation of international humanitarian standards." The troops continued shooting at perceived threats as they travelled kilometres from the site of the March 4 attack, General Kearney said. They hit several vehicles, killing 12 people and wounding 33, among them children and elderly villagers. One 16-year-old, newly married girl was cut down while she was carrying a bundle of grass to her family's farmhouse. A 75-year-old man walking to his shop was hit by so many bullets that his son did not recognise the body, they said.xj "I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #19 April 17, 2007 I don't see anyone here defending what took place. What I do see are those who have "been there, done that" say it is not always so cut and dry a decision to make. There are women, children and elderly who appear to be noncombatants that will kill you in this type of war (like the one on Viet Nam) But what I do read are ridiculous over generalizations made by those who are clueless to any type of war, let alone a guerilla war, but feel free to making disparaging remarks about American men and women who serve honorbaly, simply because they do not like our president or the USA. They should be as ashamed as any soldier who thumbs his nose at the ROE. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #20 April 17, 2007 QuoteI don't see anyone here defending what took place. What I do see are those who have "been there, done that" say it is not always so cut and dry a decision to make. There are women, children and elderly who appear to be noncombatants that will kill you in this type of war (like the one on Viet Nam) . If we had a CinC who had "been there, done that" maybe our troops wouldn't be placed in such circumstances in the first place. These events are the inevitable outcome of having a chickenhawk CinC who said before election "I want to be a war president".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #21 April 17, 2007 These events are the inevitable outcome of having a chickenhawk CinC who said before election "I want to be a war president". He has, technically, "served" in the military...lol...but he'd just prefer that record be sealed b/c it's so embarrassing. BTW, it is funny to me that so many of his supporters would be calling for anyone else's head whose military record reflected what GWB's does. How do they go on defending this man? Chickenhawk? yeah. Prick? Absolutely. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #22 April 17, 2007 QuoteIf we had a CinC who had "been there, done that" maybe our troops wouldn't be placed in such circumstances in the first place. These events are the inevitable outcome of having a chickenhawk CinC who said before election "I want to be a war president". Is this a Red Herring? A strawman? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #23 April 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't see anyone here defending what took place. What I do see are those who have "been there, done that" say it is not always so cut and dry a decision to make. There are women, children and elderly who appear to be noncombatants that will kill you in this type of war (like the one on Viet Nam) . If we had a CinC who had "been there, done that" maybe our troops wouldn't be placed in such circumstances in the first place. Perhaps like Somalia? How about Bosnia? Kosovo? Africa? Yemen? QuoteThese events are the inevitable outcome of having a chickenhawk CinC who said before election "I want to be a war president". Looks like the plain ole chickens don't have any problems with it, either...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #24 April 17, 2007 You and others defend what took place by generalizing that all Americans "serve honorably". That has never been the case since 1776. What about the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, where Sgt Wm Calley and his men killed a whole village, including babies , right up to very old defenceless people. Mr. Calley now runs a drug store in mid- America. One would think he should be in prison. What about Abu Ghraib prison....you Americans showed the world how you treat people with humiliation and violence. Well done, heroes!!! What about in 1864, when Major John Chivington massacred the Indians who were defenceless, putting a bullet in the head of babies less than a year old, and everyone else in the village. Very brave Americas. What about the carpet bombing of civilians in Vietnam....and still you lost the war..What about spraying cancxerous agent orange over the people there, and causing thousands of malformed births. What about Gen George Custer, murderer and one who finally got a little of what he deserved for so long. What about the pilot who dropped 2 500 pound bombs on Canadian troops in Afghanistan, and now says he must have been tired. What about the servicemen who raped a 13 yr old girl in the south Pacific about three years ago. Fortunately they were tried and convicted by the Japanese government. These are but a few of hundreds of cases where your Americans " serve honorably". The United States is one of the most arrogant, beligerant, misguided nations on earth. They starts wars, and lately, havent been able to win them. They are thoughtless, and care nothing for the innocents, such as the wedding party of about 75 Afghans they blew to pieces recently. I am sure they will al be welcomed home as HEEEERRROOEEES.....but their is little heroics demonstrated by them. The most recent American massacre killed many innocent Afghans, and the chase to do so was over a 16 Km stretch of ground. Nothing like doing your job well....even if it is wrong and immoral. Many Americans should be tried for ar crimes, or crimes against humanity. Your nation has become one of drugs, illicit sex and violence, the latter was demonstrated in the horrific massacre yesterday at VA TECH. You have a Gun socviety, and a kill society, and your military trains them for disasters at home. Your nation put no value on the life of others and this is transferred to when they get out of the military. Many of your men are broken in spirit, and are lost in your own country. Yournation dropped two atomic bombs on hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese in 1945, and your nation will receive two nukes in the near future in repayment. Harry Truman wanted to test those devices and see what they would do to humans, how they would burn....but he came up with a suggestion that it would end the war and save American lives...propaganda such as could have been put out in Germany a few months before. God destroyed the world with a flood because the whole world was filled with violence. Your nation too, is doomed for many of the same reasons. "For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie.though it tarry, wait for it, because it will surely come, it will not tarry. Habbakuk 2:3. Learn to handle the truth....but learn to recognize it first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #25 April 17, 2007 Okay, Mr. KJVonly "christian" You generalizations tell us all about who you really are. 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Jasmin 0 #18 April 17, 2007 Whilst the shooting/suicide bombing is indeed old news, the US army's findings largely agreeing with the Afghani report is not. For those of you who missed the original coverage: (from smh) *** In its report, the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission condemned the suicide bomb attack that initially struck a convoy of a Marine Special Operations unit, wounding one American, and said there might also have been small-arms fire directed at the convoy immediately after the blast. But it said the response was disproportionate, especially given the obviously non-military nature of the marines' targets long after the ambush. "In failing to distinguish between civilians and legitimate military targets, the [marines] employed indiscriminate force," the report said. "Their actions thus constitute a serious violation of international humanitarian standards." The troops continued shooting at perceived threats as they travelled kilometres from the site of the March 4 attack, General Kearney said. They hit several vehicles, killing 12 people and wounding 33, among them children and elderly villagers. One 16-year-old, newly married girl was cut down while she was carrying a bundle of grass to her family's farmhouse. A 75-year-old man walking to his shop was hit by so many bullets that his son did not recognise the body, they said.xj "I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #19 April 17, 2007 I don't see anyone here defending what took place. What I do see are those who have "been there, done that" say it is not always so cut and dry a decision to make. There are women, children and elderly who appear to be noncombatants that will kill you in this type of war (like the one on Viet Nam) But what I do read are ridiculous over generalizations made by those who are clueless to any type of war, let alone a guerilla war, but feel free to making disparaging remarks about American men and women who serve honorbaly, simply because they do not like our president or the USA. They should be as ashamed as any soldier who thumbs his nose at the ROE. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #20 April 17, 2007 QuoteI don't see anyone here defending what took place. What I do see are those who have "been there, done that" say it is not always so cut and dry a decision to make. There are women, children and elderly who appear to be noncombatants that will kill you in this type of war (like the one on Viet Nam) . If we had a CinC who had "been there, done that" maybe our troops wouldn't be placed in such circumstances in the first place. These events are the inevitable outcome of having a chickenhawk CinC who said before election "I want to be a war president".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #21 April 17, 2007 These events are the inevitable outcome of having a chickenhawk CinC who said before election "I want to be a war president". He has, technically, "served" in the military...lol...but he'd just prefer that record be sealed b/c it's so embarrassing. BTW, it is funny to me that so many of his supporters would be calling for anyone else's head whose military record reflected what GWB's does. How do they go on defending this man? Chickenhawk? yeah. Prick? Absolutely. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #22 April 17, 2007 QuoteIf we had a CinC who had "been there, done that" maybe our troops wouldn't be placed in such circumstances in the first place. These events are the inevitable outcome of having a chickenhawk CinC who said before election "I want to be a war president". Is this a Red Herring? A strawman? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 April 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't see anyone here defending what took place. What I do see are those who have "been there, done that" say it is not always so cut and dry a decision to make. There are women, children and elderly who appear to be noncombatants that will kill you in this type of war (like the one on Viet Nam) . If we had a CinC who had "been there, done that" maybe our troops wouldn't be placed in such circumstances in the first place. Perhaps like Somalia? How about Bosnia? Kosovo? Africa? Yemen? QuoteThese events are the inevitable outcome of having a chickenhawk CinC who said before election "I want to be a war president". Looks like the plain ole chickens don't have any problems with it, either...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #24 April 17, 2007 You and others defend what took place by generalizing that all Americans "serve honorably". That has never been the case since 1776. What about the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, where Sgt Wm Calley and his men killed a whole village, including babies , right up to very old defenceless people. Mr. Calley now runs a drug store in mid- America. One would think he should be in prison. What about Abu Ghraib prison....you Americans showed the world how you treat people with humiliation and violence. Well done, heroes!!! What about in 1864, when Major John Chivington massacred the Indians who were defenceless, putting a bullet in the head of babies less than a year old, and everyone else in the village. Very brave Americas. What about the carpet bombing of civilians in Vietnam....and still you lost the war..What about spraying cancxerous agent orange over the people there, and causing thousands of malformed births. What about Gen George Custer, murderer and one who finally got a little of what he deserved for so long. What about the pilot who dropped 2 500 pound bombs on Canadian troops in Afghanistan, and now says he must have been tired. What about the servicemen who raped a 13 yr old girl in the south Pacific about three years ago. Fortunately they were tried and convicted by the Japanese government. These are but a few of hundreds of cases where your Americans " serve honorably". The United States is one of the most arrogant, beligerant, misguided nations on earth. They starts wars, and lately, havent been able to win them. They are thoughtless, and care nothing for the innocents, such as the wedding party of about 75 Afghans they blew to pieces recently. I am sure they will al be welcomed home as HEEEERRROOEEES.....but their is little heroics demonstrated by them. The most recent American massacre killed many innocent Afghans, and the chase to do so was over a 16 Km stretch of ground. Nothing like doing your job well....even if it is wrong and immoral. Many Americans should be tried for ar crimes, or crimes against humanity. Your nation has become one of drugs, illicit sex and violence, the latter was demonstrated in the horrific massacre yesterday at VA TECH. You have a Gun socviety, and a kill society, and your military trains them for disasters at home. Your nation put no value on the life of others and this is transferred to when they get out of the military. Many of your men are broken in spirit, and are lost in your own country. Yournation dropped two atomic bombs on hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese in 1945, and your nation will receive two nukes in the near future in repayment. Harry Truman wanted to test those devices and see what they would do to humans, how they would burn....but he came up with a suggestion that it would end the war and save American lives...propaganda such as could have been put out in Germany a few months before. God destroyed the world with a flood because the whole world was filled with violence. Your nation too, is doomed for many of the same reasons. "For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie.though it tarry, wait for it, because it will surely come, it will not tarry. Habbakuk 2:3. Learn to handle the truth....but learn to recognize it first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #25 April 17, 2007 Okay, Mr. KJVonly "christian" You generalizations tell us all about who you really are. You like generalize and make ridiculous statements? Christians are slave owning, muslim killing, closeted gay, witch burning, meth taking, prostitute mongering, lying, stealing from the elderly, hypocritial fakes. James 1: 26 If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
