Abstinence Education Does Not Impact Sexual Behavior

[kallend 2,182]

www.rxpgnews.com/health/Abstinence_Education_Programs_Have_No_Impact_on_Sexual_Beahviour_23770.shtml

Wow! Whoever would have thought THAT!

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Some how I knew you would be the one to post this.

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[Armour666 0]

I want to know who would actuly thought the natural instincts of a hormonal teenager would be over ridden by a few classes telling you to keep it in your pants ? I would never have seen that one comming

SO this one time at band camp.....

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[lawrocket 3]

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But it also finds that youth in these programs were no more likely to have unprotected sex, a concern that has been raised by some critics of these programs.

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“The study finds that the sexual abstinence of students in four programs selected for the study was much the same as that of students who did not participate in these programs.”

So, it appears that abstinence programs and non-abstinence sex education programs are no better or worse than each other. Isn't it notable that kids in both groups have the same amount of sex at the same time and use the same amount of protection (although the door is open with regard to whether or not those educated in protection instead of absitnence actually use protection less often - the survey only said that those taught absitnence did "no worse.")

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[lawrocket 3]

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But it also finds that youth in these programs were no more likely to have unprotected sex, a concern that has been raised by some critics of these programs.

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“The study finds that the sexual abstinence of students in four programs selected for the study was much the same as that of students who did not participate in these programs.”

So, it appears that abstinence programs and non-abstinence sex education programs are no better or worse than each other. Isn't it notable that kids in both groups have the same amount of sex at the same time and use the same amount of protection (although the door is open with regard to whether or not those educated in protection instead of absitnence actually use protection less often - the survey only said that those taught absitnence did "no worse.")

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[Royd 0]

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Wow! Whoever would have thought THAT!

Yea, and the governor of NJ wasn't wearing a seat belt when he got into an accident. Do Ya think he heard the message?

[billvon 3,132]

>Isn't it notable that kids in both groups have the same amount of sex
>at the same time and use the same amount of protection . . .

It is indeed. One might conclude that it is fortunate that students are still learning how to use protection, even when they are kept in the dark about it.

[Lindsey 0]

It should speak in some way to the "What my kids learn about sex they're gonna learn from me" crowd, though unfortunately it probably won't.

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[tbrown 26]

Abstinence education reminds me of Orwell's "1984". There was a "Youth Anti-Sex League", or something like that in the book. In fact the hero Winston Smith was fucking their leader.

I think it's a good idea to give kids reasons, healthwise and emotional, to delay having sex until they're older. But that also involves telling them about the dreaded birth control and safer sex practices. Which they need to know about, because the damn kids are going to do what they want anyway.

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[lawrocket 3]

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One might conclude that it is fortunate that students are still learning how to use protection, even when they are kept in the dark about it.

Just as it is unfortunate that children are not using protection even though they are fully informed about it. To me it means that neither is better or worse than the other.

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[billvon 3,132]

>Just as it is unfortunate that children are not using protection even though
>they are fully informed about it. To me it means that neither is better or
>worse than the other.

I would tend to disagree. Trying to help someone and having them refuse your help is better (to me) than not helping them, and hoping they accomplish the same by accident.

[Lindsey 0]

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One might conclude that it is fortunate that students are still learning how to use protection, even when they are kept in the dark about it.

Just as it is unfortunate that children are not using protection even though they are fully informed about it. To me it means that neither is better or worse than the other.

Not all teenagers are using protection, but there's a good number who are. I'd like to see those numbers. People don't use protection naturally. They use protection because they've learned to. ANYbody who uses protection while having sex only does so because of education.

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[lawrocket 3]

So, which one are you writing about? Trying to help omeone by teaching abitnence and hoping they accept the help, thereby preventing pregnancy or disease; or trying to help by teaching safer ex and hoping they accept the help, thereby preventing pregnancy or diease?

Both do what you have suggested, and both with about the same success percentage.

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[lawrocket 3]

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Not all teenagers are using protection, but there's a good number who are. I'd like to see those numbers. People don't use protection naturally. They use protection because they've learned to. ANYbody who uses protection while having sex only does so because of education.

So where are they getting thi education? This looks like, "Group A is 100 kids who are taught abstinence only. Group B is 10 kids who are taught safer sex only."

5 years later, 90 kids in Group A had sex. 90 kid in Group B had sex. 30 kids in Group A used protection. 30 kids in Group B used protection.

It shows that the message is not taking in EITHER group. How can you point to 10 kids in Group A as a success in the teaching of abstinence when the same number from Group B abstained? There is a break in causation there.

Similarly, you cannot attribute the 30 kids in Group B as a success in teaching safer-sex when 30 kids in Group A also practiced safer sex.

Which leads to, "Why are the results the same?"


Edited to add: I can find studies that indicated that most people show an improvement in flu symptoms within one week of completing treatment with a Zithromax Z-Pack. 5 percent do not. This shows a correlation of treatment with Zithromax and relief of flu symptoms.

If you find out that the same results come from keeping them hydrated, wouldn't you ay that the Z-Pack probably isn't responsible for it?

The abstinence proponents simply don't have a valid argument that their way is better than teaching safer sex. Neither do the afer sex proponents have a valid argument that their way is any better.

That's my point. Frankly, I'm glad BOTH are out there.

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[Lindsey 0]

The study only evaluates an abstinence program group vs. a control (no abstinence program). It doesn't even involve a group that was taught safe sex. But both groups (the abstinence group and the control) were evaluated on whether they used protection.

linz

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[lawrocket 3]

From the article:

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But it also finds that youth in these programs were no more likely to have unprotected sex, a concern that has been raised by some critics of these programs

The study found the criticism invalid. You are right, some details of the control group would be good. I suspect that there is also the possibility that these groups were as follow:

Group 1 was control
Group 2 was the same as the control, only offered teaching in abstinence that Group 2 was not offered.

If that is the case, then my conclusions would be different.

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[billvon 3,132]

>Trying to help omeone by teaching abitnence and hoping they accept
>the help, thereby preventing pregnancy or disease; or trying to help by
>teaching safer ex and hoping they accept the help, thereby preventing
>pregnancy or diease?

One might ask the same thing about AAD's. Teach them how they work, so they can anticipate a two-canopy out situation? Or teach them that they don't exist (or that they are a jump counter or something) and then just tell them "never ever go below 1000 feet in freefall and you won't have any problems?"

I have a bit of a philosophical problem with the second approach. If I tell them what they need to know to survive, and they screw up - well, that's sad, but I tried. But if they get hurt/die because they didn't have some information I could have given them? To me, that's worse.