br0k3n 0 #1 April 11, 2007 Those pesky God folk have finally convinced me that evolution is a LIE.... and that Creationism is the only way we could have come to be here... also for some reason I feel a bit peckish... now where’s that loaf of bread....----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #2 April 11, 2007 i don't understand how these people can say this stuff with a straight faceNever try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #3 April 11, 2007 Banana revisited.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #4 April 11, 2007 Quote i don't understand how these people can say this stuff with a straight face Stupidity works wonders.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #5 April 11, 2007 This illustrates why I think hardcore creationists are boobs. Look at the language they use: - Obvious fact - Reitterates "fairy tale" 3 times within 10 seconds - The dead rat wearer speaks of any other planet - - They use this language due to the weak nature of their argument. Furthermore, the first gentleman needs to explain that rodent living on his head. Seriously, science attracts me by way of its appraoch, it creates a hypothesis and tests it, repeats it and the state a theory but doesn't call it absolute fact. So the entire massive volumes of science are out the door due to peanut butter and the lack of life there. Most of these creationists can't fathom 1 million years, let alone 4+ billion years. Look at what we have done in 70 or so years, went from horse and buggy to going into space and allegedly land on the moon. In that timeframe created aircraft to fly at 3 times+ the speed of sound, a very unnatural phenomenon. All the medical advancements including playing with DNA and all kinds of things and creationists don't think that in even their version of 10k years that life couldn't be created by nature rather than intervention of a guy who looks like he a 60's drug addict. Actually Jesus was ahead of his time, considering the long hair thing wasn't really in during his time, he was centuries ahead of his time. "Evolution doesn't happen" What do you call the moths in Europe in the 1800's during their industrial evolution that went from white to brown in a short time? That's adaptation and natural selection, a part of evolution. Evolution is a part of life on earth, I'm not idiotic enough as the asswipes on the vid to say it doesn't happen, but evolution hasn't been actively connected to the origin of human life today. Which doesn;t mean it is or is not true. Food industry counts on it: The food industry puts preservatives in food to kill or stop/slow the growth of living things in food. Milk has all kinds of bacteria in it, they aren't harmful. Hell, we have all kinds of bacteria in us, it's called NORMAL FLORA. We can't live well w/o them. So these living thngs are in our food. Oops, it appears that some people who open jars of peanut butter do find living things: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79567 This explain the salmonela mystery: http://www.theolympian.com/131/story/77803.html There are living things in most of our food, they just find ways to suppress its growth. So just becuase something doesn't walk out doesn't mean there aren't living things in there. Another of teh many falacies is that PB can come from the manufacturer to the table in days or weeks, evolution isn't required to work that fast and usually doesn't. To place a timeline demand on evolution is as inane as religion itself, esp the church. This explains how food gets moldy from without, rather than from within: http://www.wisegeek.com/why-does-bread-get-moldy.htm So either there are living things everywhere, some in food, some outside of food that finds its way in and grows. We cool it to stop the growth, then heat it to kill them. Some bacteria are aerobic, some obligate anaerobic (02 kills it), so with the diversity of microorgs, we do have things living in our food. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #6 April 11, 2007 www.godisimaginary.com creationism is the most absurd idea ever thought of by man. the second most absurd idea is 'the rapture'we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 April 11, 2007 Quote i don't understand how these people can say this stuff with a straight face Goota scare the idiots to fill the tything plate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #8 April 11, 2007 What I find mind boggling is that at some point he must have thought 'Eureka! I can disprove evolution with peanut butter!' Even more incredibly, this must have seemed like a good idea all the way through the production of that video. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #9 April 11, 2007 QuoteWhat I find mind boggling is that at some point he must have thought 'Eureka! I can disprove evolution with peanut butter!' Even more incredibly, this must have seemed like a good idea all the way through the production of that video. A different explanation -- and slightly more generous -- is that these people have deadlines. And when the pressure is on, anything is better than dead air. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #10 April 11, 2007 QuoteWhat I find mind boggling is that at some point he must have thought 'Eureka! I can disprove evolution with peanut butter!' Even more incredibly, this must have seemed like a good idea all the way through the production of that video. There's a light in the attic, but nobody's home.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #11 April 11, 2007 QuoteEvolution is a part of life on earth, I'm not idiotic enough as the asswipes on the vid to say it doesn't happen, but evolution hasn't been actively connected to the origin of human life today. Huh? We actually have quite a nice fossil record and genetic clues tracing human evolution from our great ape ancestors. The absolute best thing about this video though, the complete icing on the cake, is that they aren't even talking about evolution at all. All this talk about "New life, new life" is to do with abiogenesis!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #12 April 11, 2007 >they aren't even talking about evolution at all. All this talk about "New life, >new life" is to do with abiogenesis! (ssshh, they're on a roll) Good thing they didn't choose an old jar of honey, or they'd be faced with the perplexing question of "who put those sugar crystals in there? God?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #13 April 11, 2007 QuoteWhat I find mind boggling is that at some point he must have thought 'Eureka! I can disprove evolution with peanut butter!' Even more incredibly, this must have seemed like a good idea all the way through the production of that video. It shows the putrid nature of religion and teh church. Science begs you to disprove them, religion dares you to. The lemmings better listen and praise or else..... what a fuckin joke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #14 April 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteEvolution is a part of life on earth, I'm not idiotic enough as the asswipes on the vid to say it doesn't happen, but evolution hasn't been actively connected to the origin of human life today. Huh? We actually have quite a nice fossil record and genetic clues tracing human evolution from our great ape ancestors. The absolute best thing about this video though, the complete icing on the cake, is that they aren't even talking about evolution at all. All this talk about "New life, new life" is to do with abiogenesis! True, but there are holes in it, albeit small ones. Science lowballs their evidence so when they have to eat words, they come in smaller portions. I didn't even think about the evolution / new life error on their part, but I kinda alluded to it by talking about organisms that have evolved vs the live bacteria in foods. Morons who believe that PROOF is found in nothing crawling out of a jar of PB can be taught to believe anything. Scary part is that this group of people want to place religious / Christian monikers in our courts, drawing that kind of reasoning to convict innocent people on some Christian platform: don't love Jebus ---> go to jail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #15 April 11, 2007 Quote >they aren't even talking about evolution at all. All this talk about "New life, >new life" is to do with abiogenesis! (ssshh, they're on a roll) Good thing they didn't choose an old jar of honey, or they'd be faced with the perplexing question of "who put those sugar crystals in there? God?" God / Jebus are so great that I'm just gonna let them pull for me at pull-time. I think we can just let this silly book cure all of our ills, run our courts and establish our morality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #16 April 11, 2007 The Peanut Butter Proof is probably suffering a small credibility problem since the salmonella outbreak. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #17 April 11, 2007 QuoteThe Peanut Butter Proof is probably suffering a small credibility problem since the salmonella outbreak. I posted a bunch of info above on that. But yes, there are often living things inside our food, some by accident, some by design. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #18 April 11, 2007 QuoteThe absolute best thing about this video though, the complete icing on the cake, is that they aren't even talking about evolution at all. All this talk about "New life, new life" is to do with abiogenesis! I'm not about to touch on the premise of that film, but can anyone tell me how life began on this planet? What's the consensus in the scientific community? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #19 April 11, 2007 Quote Quote The absolute best thing about this video though, the complete icing on the cake, is that they aren't even talking about evolution at all. All this talk about "New life, new life" is to do with abiogenesis! I'm not about to touch on the premise of that film, but can anyone tell me how life began on this planet? What's the consensus in the scientific community? Life began on Earth by the FSM spreading peanut butter all over Cleveland in a very precise layer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #20 April 11, 2007 >but can anyone tell me how life began on this planet? There are several stages to that answer, depending on how you define "life." Is "life" organic molecules? If so, then the Miller-Urey experiment has been run literally hundreds of times, with a great many different assumed atmospheres (depending on what the estimate du jour was for our initial atmospheric mix.) In almost all of the experiments, organic molecules including 13 of the 22 amino acids that are used to make proteins in living cells, sugars, lipids, and nucleic acids (like DNA, RNA, and ATP) were seen. The only mixes that did NOT produce such products were the ones containing oxygen. (Which is one reason the peanut butter analogy is sorta silly.) Is "life" self replicating organic molecules? If so, then we have run several experiments where a relatively simple chunk of RNA (called a ribozyme) can replicate itself indefinitely as long as the right raw materials are present. The ribozyme is made of the very same bits and pieces of organic material observed in some of the M-U experiments. Is "life" discretely walled organisms? If so, then we have a few options. Lipid membranes tend to self-form in water; many molecules have the required hydrophobic/hydrophilic end to form a barrier of sorts, and there are all sorts of mechanical agents (like waves) that can churn these materials up and create 'bubbles' of various sizes. The theory there is that one day, one of those bubbles ended up containing some self-replicating RNA, and the new cell would absorb nutrients and grow until it got too big, at which point it would blow apart into several smaller cells. Anyway, no one can tell you for sure how live DID begin, but we now know of several ways it COULD begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #21 April 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe absolute best thing about this video though, the complete icing on the cake, is that they aren't even talking about evolution at all. All this talk about "New life, new life" is to do with abiogenesis! I'm not about to touch on the premise of that film, but can anyone tell me how life began on this planet? What's the consensus in the scientific community? There is no consensus (and probably never will be), but there are several viable theories.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #22 April 11, 2007 Quote Anyway, no one can tell you for sure how live DID begin, but we now know of several ways it COULD begin. Maybe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #23 April 11, 2007 Quote Maybe. What do you think about people who bleat about rationality but spend their day thinking about their invisible superhero friends? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #24 April 11, 2007 Quote Quote Maybe. What do you think about people who bleat about rationality but spend their day thinking about their invisible superhero friends? Do you still beat your wife? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #25 April 11, 2007 Quote Quote Anyway, no one can tell you for sure how live DID begin, but we now know of several ways it COULD begin. Maybe. What do you mean maybe? We do know of ways in which life could have begun.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
