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I will agree that the countrys listed that we are talking about have extreme Politcal problems, I have no auguments to differ,
the Problem I see is that a Politcal and Religous partnership that is espoused and in the goverments and the people that support it...when Goverments of some of the countrys listed support rallys and marches in the name "Islam" and rile their people in that name, and allow the views and hatred and death to whoever it should be that day, its leaves a bitter taste in those that look at their views, in trying to understand if Islam is such a peaceful cult, then why do those same Goverments preach that way..

I have just come to my own conclusion that the Majority of those who practice their religion of Islam over there are off their rocking horse.. I wrote in another thread some weeks back about this, and i just feel that after 5000+ years, they don't get any better. I wish they were better and could open their eyes, but my hope for them is very little if not already gone..

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You're right. In America it's a different list.

let's start a list

1 - you can't say "nappy headed hos" on the radio
2 - you can't say Global Warming is all made up without losing your job as a weather man
3 - you can't hire the best qualified individual without checking HR for quota issues
4 - you can't compliment someone on their clothes without a signed release
5 - you can't talk loud to your child without being forced to counseling
6 - you can't park your Hummer in the city without it being vandalized
7 - you can't put up your flag on your property without someone shouting a nasty word at you
8 - you can't join the military without someone spitting on you
9 - you can't force your school to teach creationism as a science without someone complaining (for fun)

now, let's lean a little left

9 - you can't teach about evolution without some wierdos starting a picket line
10 - you can't call your ex-college roommate in France without your financial history being investigated
11 - you can't speed 80 in 35 zone without 'the man' hassling you (this one's for fun)
12 - you can't take someone else's flag and burn it without pesky little "vandalism" charges being leveled (another mockery of 1st amend threads)
13 - you can't own a business without the local government taking it away and giving it to Walmart (that one will be claimed by both sides)
14 - etc

15) You can't picket a defense or energy contractor without being put in a Pentagon database.
16) You can't go to see your President speak unless you sign a loyalty oath.
17) You can't drink beer in Maine if it has a picture of women's breasts or of an imbibing Santa on the bottle.
18) You can be put in detention and tortured for no reason with no access to a lawyer and no charges filed for an indefinite period of time if one of the President's men points at you like Donald Sutherland in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

to be continued:

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>they all seem to believe that they have to kill to promote their way of peace?

Well, we're doing the same thing. We've killed tens of thousands of people to "promote our way of peace" in Iraq.

People should not kill people to promote their sense of morality (which is what I think you meant.) Unfortunately, most cultures have a minority of people who will do just that, whether it's killing someone who doesn't wear the right scarf, or wears the wrong sort of pin, or is the wrong sexuality, or who performs abortions.

However, note that this story is NOT about killing someone who does something that disagrees with your morality; it's about radical religious types who think certain kinds of physical contact are sinful, and are (peacefully) calling for her to be fired. If we had Bush kiss Cheney on the mouth here, we'd have some religious types calling for _their_ resignations for "sending a message of sin" or something. And as long as they just shout about it, I have no problem with it, whether they are christian, or muslim, or atheist.

The problem lies in the other stuff they are pulling i.e. threatening suicide bombings and abducting people. _That's_ what's unacceptable. Fortunately that did not happen to the woman in the story.

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points at you like Donald Sutherland in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

NICE - don't forget the screech that goes with the pointing.

It's one thing that Donald taught his son for acting.

No one other than Mark Hamill can shout "NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo" like young Kiefer can.

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I will agree that the countrys listed that we are talking about have extreme Politcal problems, I have no auguments to differ,
the Problem I see is that a Politcal and Religous partnership that is espoused and in the goverments and the people that support it...when Goverments of some of the countrys listed support rallys and marches in the name "Islam" and rile their people in that name, and allow the views and hatred and death to whoever it should be that day, its leaves a bitter taste in those that look at their views, in trying to understand if Islam is such a peaceful cult, then why do those same Goverments preach that way..

I have just come to my own conclusion that the Majority of those who practice their religion of Islam over there are off their rocking horse.. I wrote in another thread some weeks back about this, and i just feel that after 5000+ years, they don't get any better. I wish they were better and could open their eyes, but my hope for them is very little if not already gone..

As you mentioned some governments use the extremist agenda as a rally point. The same happens all over the world. Unpopular govenments use scapgoats and divert the blame for the peoples ills away from themselves. that is why such governments behave in such a manner.

Islam has only been around for the last 1500 years and the extremists have only really gained political foot holds in the last fifty or so years. Since the Arabs were lied to and betrayed by the British and French and the US got involved with total support of the state of Israel and Russia promoted Maxism to further the world revolution. Modern Islamic extremists have more in common with Maxist revolutionaries than old Islamic belifes.

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let's start a list...

To be completely parallel with the OP's meaning, we should restrict this list to purely MORAL prohibitions enforced by the police:

14. You can't smoke marijuana for fun
15. You can't have sex with the wrong people
16. You can't have sex of the wrong type
17. You can't kill yourself
18. You can't sell your own body parts
19. You can't form voluntary contracts of many types

and many more...

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Well, they, the people, Islam, whatever you might want to call it, have got a long road to hoe... uh oh, i used the ho word!!
the integrity of the Religion and the people that support it has been damaged beyond belief, and will have a difficult time to bring their so called peaceful religion into a light that is viewed as such..
Unfortunily, it will take decades not years in my views, history can be very unkind.
and i have really enjoyed this discussion in this thread, no it hasn't changed my view of "Islam" or anything about how i feel about them, but if they can pull it outta their ass and get their act together,
and join the rest of the world in a sensible way, great.

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let's start a list...

To be completely parallel with the OP's meaning, we should restrict this list to purely MORAL prohibitions enforced by the police:

14. You can't smoke marijuana for fun
15. You can't have sex with the wrong people
16. You can't have sex of the wrong type
17. You can't kill yourself
18. You can't sell your own body parts
19. You can't form voluntary contracts of many types

and many more...

What?? we can only smoke weed for business?? now that sucks!!! well, maybe not,, id rather be stoned at work

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but for gods sake man, these people have lived this way for eons of years, do they get it that there is a different way of living?? thats not so bad??

has it ever occured to you that maybe they don't want to live like you?

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How many Muslims are there in the world?

1.200 billion, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic relations)

At a level of 1.2 billion, they represent about 22% of the world's population. They are the second largest religion in the world. Only Christianity is larger, with 33% of the world's inhabitants.

Islam is growing about 2.9% per year. This is faster than the total world population which increases about 2.3% annually. It is thus attracting a progressively larger percentage of the world's population.

So as you can see Muslims are in the world already and with so many if they were genuinly as you belive them to be we wouldn't just be talking about small regional wars but a blood bath in every major city and town in the world.

Before you condemn 1.2 Billion people maybe you should look beyond the sensationalist headlines and discover what these people actually do belive in. If all of Islam was a Wahibi death cult then they'd never have this many followers or converts.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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but for gods sake man, these people have lived this way for eons of years, do they get it that there is a different way of living?? thats not so bad??

has it ever occured to you that maybe they don't want to live like you?

sigh.. so lets do it,, but i don't want to hear about how "we" ( im refering to America or some other allie of America should run in there to set them straight as to not kill or hurt some girl, just because she shook or hugged some guy in a polite way... if you think we ought to not do anything for them,, then bottom line, we can't play both sides of the fence,

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points at you like Donald Sutherland in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

NICE - don't forget the screech that goes with the pointing.

It's one thing that Donald taught his son for acting.

No one other than Mark Hamill can shout "NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo" like young Kiefer can.

Donald had some great lessons, not just for his son, but for all of us.

Oddball: Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

Moriarty: Crap!

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look i used the girl shaking a hand issue again, let me be clearer, if some country wants to whip a women for punishment because she talked to a unrelated man, or danced inapproprate somehow,, and thats how they decide to enforce their way of punishment based on their religious doctrine which they incorporate into their laws,, then we as America or any other country can not have a bunch of nannys jump up and down and demand that we go into that country and save the woman, or children or whatever based on the fact, that what their doing is inhumane.. come on people, its one way or the other,, you wanta stay outta their way of life or do you want to interfer, you have to make a choice, and sometimes choices are hard to make.. you can't have it both ways,,

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but for gods sake man, these people have lived this way for eons of years, do they get it that there is a different way of living?? thats not so bad??

has it ever occured to you that maybe they don't want to live like you?

sigh.. so lets do it,, but i don't want to hear about how "we" ( im refering to America or some other allie of America should run in there to set them straight as to not kill or hurt some girl, just because she shook or hugged some guy in a polite way... if you think we ought to not do anything for them,, then bottom line, we can't play both sides of the fence,

It may have escaped your attention but the Pakistani government was not the ones who condemned the woman it was some fringe millitant group based at the Lal Mosque. In Pakistan. The Pakistani government has been fighting against Islamic extremists for years. The president of the country has had at least three serious attempts on his life because of it.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Skyrad, yes i agree, the goverment had nothing to do with that case..
look at some of the laws on the books in the Pakistan,, they still believe in the right of woman having no rights as that equal to a man when it comes to the woman having to have to have more witnesse's than a man to defend herself in certain case's?? this is a law in their goverment?? so then how can we as America have to go rushing in if they want to have that law?? because some here say its a bad law.. it may well be.. but that gives us no right,, even if we have 50 million ppl standing on the grounds of congress demanding we go in to save them based on human rights.. so we should just trample their laws? we have to make hard decisions, and sometimes they are never the right ones.

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Tandem Masters: you better start checking the religious background of your female passengers before you leave the ground.

I don't care what they are before...they're all Dave-ologists by the time they leave.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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When the Westboro Baptist Church is capable of convincing people to carry out suicide attacks, I'll give that comparison a bit more consideration.

I think there have been more than a few murders in the name of being "white." That doesn't make the average white person any worse than these other fucks make the average Muslim.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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Thats not Muslim culture John, thats modern Saudi culture. Twisted and perverted Wahibist death cult thinking. I've just spent the last few weeks in a muslim country. The women walked around often without anything on their heads, went out with their friends in groups to bars and coffee shops and cinemas and skating rinks. In short it was a pretty normal scene.

This is the same in every Muslim state in Russia, expect Chechnya.

The perversion of Islam is gaining strength because of Saudi money.

* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. *

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Update

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6535363.stm

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Good to see that.. about time..

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The fight against Islamic extremists in Pakistan has been going on for years unfortunatly it either gets ignored by the US media or twisted to fit in with the 'WAR ON TERROR!' message of evil Muslim nations.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca