Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

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I'm also trying to figure out why Iranian muslims are protesting outside the British embassy in Tehran.

I particularly loved the part where the peace loving muslim protesters drove a dump truck up filled to the top with rocks to throw at the Embassy.. Perhaps we should start having demonstrations like that outside of THEIR embassies here in the west.

[CornishChris 5]

I find it refreshing that for once I agree with JR.

Teach the holocaust. If we don´t remember these things will happen again:

They shall not grow old as we that are left grow old,
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn,
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

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I particularly loved the part where the peace loving muslim protesters drove a dump truck up filled to the top with rocks to throw at the Embassy.. Perhaps we should start having demonstrations like that outside of THEIR embassies here in the west.

OR... Perhaps we should show them a standard of behaviour rather than sinking to theirs?

Which has little to do with the thrust of this thread. Yes, The Holocaust MUST be taught (lest we forget), but not in history, as part of social studies and an examination of racism instead. That way, there will be space for discussion.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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OR... Perhaps we should show them a standard of behaviour rather than sinking to theirs?

I think the west has bent over backwards to do that already... face it large numbers of them want a Holy War.. perhaps its time to GIVE them a REAL ONE. Take off the gloves and use EVERY tool at our disposal.. because I do not believe they would or will not use every tool at THEIR disposal.

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...face it large numbers of them want a Holy War..

A very noisy minority want a "Holy-War". The vast majority just want to get on with their lives in uninterrrupted comfort. (do you remember that bizarre piece of journalism sent in by an American woman reporter in Tehran after she'd been in one of those Flag-Burning "Death-To-America" demonstrations?).

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Take off the gloves and use EVERY tool at our disposal...

That is horrifying. Something of a "Final-Solution"! Use our nuclear monopoly while we have one to exterminate them?

In suggesting a "Total-War"... You have shown how we would lose the very thing we were trying to defend.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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In suggesting a "Total-War"... You have shown how we would lose the very thing we were trying to defend.

Why the hell not.. I dont think them capable of restraint.. or their ability to actually sit down and peacefully co-exist with other nations and other religions. If they want tolerance. then they need to show some... that is SEVERLY lacking in their own countries.

[Skyrad 0]

This is such a crock of shit. Muslims aren't offended by being taught about the Holocaust. This crap is decided by white fat middle class left wing wankers who belive in nothing themselves. There was a phone in in London about this subject and every single Muslim that phoned in (countless) were against scrapping it and none of them found it in anyway offensive. Its ythe same shit from the same left wing wankers that try and ban Christmas for the same reasons. All they do is piss off Muslims and Christians who were quite happy before these useless oxygen thives stuck their oar in. Twats.

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errr, why would holocaust teaching would offend muslims?

muslims in general are not holocaust deniers (at least not the muslims i know, beside one iranian maybe...)

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It wouldn't. All the Muslims I know or have even heard speaking about this subject activly want the Holocaust to be taught in school. Maybe with some education it may help to reduce the risk of this happening again. God willing.

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errr, why would holocaust teaching would offend muslims?
muslims in general are not holocaust deniers...

Apparently enough of them are that it intimidates the teachers into remaining silent, so that they don't have to answer challenges.

If we bow to such intimidation, it will be the death of our culture. The radical Muslims are using our desire for political-correctness as a weapon against us.

I'm also trying to figure out why Iranian muslims are protesting outside the British embassy in Tehran. They're the ones holding British sailors hostage. It seems to me it should be the Brits protesting outside the Iranian embassy in London.

But then, a lot of what these radical muslims do doesn't make sense to me...

There are Brits protesting outside the Iranian embassy in London.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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This is such a crock of shit. Muslims aren't offended by being taught about the Holocaust. This crap is decided by white fat middle class left wing wankers who belive in nothing themselves. There was a phone in in London about this subject and every single Muslim that phoned in (countless) were against scrapping it and none of them found it in anyway offensive. Its ythe same shit from the same left wing wankers that try and ban Christmas for the same reasons. All they do is piss off Muslims and Christians who were quite happy before these useless oxygen thives stuck their oar in. Twats.

thank you, I can go to work now

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

Funny story, even funnier to see people sounding off against muslims based on this story. They haven't been the ones complaining according to the article.

[masterrig 1]

Just more 'politically correct' bull-shit. Whoever came up with 'politically correct' needs a swift kick in the ass. History is history. What happened, happened and no politician can change that. As someone here said earlier... maybe, something can be learned from it all and see that it never happens again. Denying history and pretending it never happened or hiding it doesn't cut it.


Chuck

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History is history. What happened, happened and no politician can change that.

snort.

This is hardly accurate.

History is written by the winners. Had Germany won, the Holocaust would be a minor topic, like the decline of the American Indians and the death of the Armenians at the turn of the 20th century.

Japan lost WWII, but have been winners since and see how they have handled certain aspects of that war in their history books.

[Andy9o8 2]

You're both right; and your essential points can be harmonized.

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You're both right; and your essential points can be harmonized.

Ohmmmmmmm......

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You're both right; and your essential points can be harmonized.

Ohmmmmmmm......

You're tone-deaf.

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History is history. What happened, happened and no politician can change that.

snort.

This is hardly accurate.

History is written by the winners. Had Germany won, the Holocaust would be a minor topic, like the decline of the American Indians and the death of the Armenians at the turn of the 20th century.

Japan lost WWII, but have been winners since and see how they have handled certain aspects of that war in their history books.

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I didn't say that politicians wrote history only that they want to change it so as not to step on anyone's toes. Which I think is a bit denegrating towards people in general. Other than that, i agree with you.


Chuck

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Should the history of the Holocaust and the Crusades be avoided in public schools in order to not offend Muslims who believe differently about those episodes?

If it is an issue and if local mosques want to keep their kids ignorant (if that's really what's happening) let them do it on thier own. History is History and the other non muslim kids are missing out on the full story too if it's not taught in school.

What's to defend? "A long time ago there was a lot of violence on both sides, and a lot of people died. Which is what happens when you wage war so let's not do it again" is all they have to say after they TEACH history the way it happened. end of story. If they aren't being taught the truth in the Mosque, even more reason to teach them in school.

If a kid stands up and says "Well my teacher told me there was never a holocaust" All the teacher has to say is " go do some research!"

When they do some research and find out they've been lied to, they might start wondering what else the Madrassas have been wrong about. And when/if some knucklehead approaches them to do a suicide bombing they will think twice before believing the 72 virgin load of c&@#.

I think the teachers are just lazy and coming up with excuses to not cover as much material

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I thought the original post was pretty ridiculous and then I realized it was about the UK and from none other than JR, who seems to post about only three things: guns, the UK, and guns in the UK.

Your perception is incorrect. You need to look around some more, before deciding that I'm "obsessed" about the UK and guns.

Just today I've posted about:
- Newlyweds: Moonglo & Luminous
- Google Analytics?
- MAD
- Another Senator Headed to Prison?
- President Bush is at Camp David right now.

And I've read far more, without being moved to contribute.

None of those topics have anything to do with the UK or with guns. Imagine that.

Do you ever post about skydiving?

Surely with 4500 jumps you have something useful to contribute?

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Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus.

[kelpdiver 2]

he does, in fact, have things to say about skydiving.

But not in Speakers Corner.

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I'm also trying to figure out why Iranian muslims are protesting outside the British embassy in Tehran.

I particularly loved the part where the peace loving muslim protesters drove a dump truck up filled to the top with rocks to throw at the Embassy.. Perhaps we should start having demonstrations like that outside of THEIR embassies here in the west.

We don't need to. We have bunker busters, willie peter, DU, and lots of other fun stuff besides puny rocks

Dang Muslims we oughta . . . oh, that's right. We already did. Now, fasten your seat belts for Shock And Awe Part Deux!

[algboy 0]

Let's get all worked up about some latest "hit piece" about those "intolerant" Muslims. Boooga-booga!!!
The reality--not some "thou protesteth too much" media drivel about political correctness--is that saying, writing or posting ANYTHING critical of Israel can get one fired. Look it up.
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1128

In several countries, including Israel, France, Germany and Austria, "Holocaust denial" is against the law, and "deniers" have been punished with stiff fines and prison sentences. That's a fact--a scary one at that.

As someone once said, "Truth needs no law to protect it." Makes me wonder what the powers that be are so afraid of that people who question ANY part of the official history can get thrown into prison. That's not democratic--that's not even rational.

In this day and age there are sacred cows and there are scapegoats.
Scapegoat-du-jour: Muslims
Sacred Cows: Israel/Zionism/Official Holocaust Story

We in the west have been propagandized relentlessly about "bad Muslims", twisted interpretations of the Koran or agit prop from some loony radicals.

There are so many instances of the "thought police" stomping on anyone who dares to criticize Israel. It's clear off the desk time if you do and all the MSM journalists know it.