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I guess those Dems were so effecient that they got all of that legislation done in the first 100 hours, now they've got nothing else to do.

So the Clinton impeachment showed lots of attention to other more important things huh? Brilliance.

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They remind me of the old fart who has retired, built all of his bird houses, and has nothing left to do except sit on the porch and take down the license plate numbers of everyone who he thinks is breaking the speed limit by 3MPH.

Every evening he calls the police dept. and insists that something be done about this problem.

And teh Repugs chasing of Clinton was not like this? Hard to hear Repugs whine after the BJ impeachment over what.... lying? Oh yea, same lying they are investigating now...... I'm sending you a mirror, just drop a mailing addy.

you really do not know what that was all about do you

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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It is interesting to note that among the 90+ US Atts fired by Clinton, were some investigating governmental wrong doing in Arkansas. I wonder where those investigations, had they been completed, would have led. Spectacular double standard on the part of the left.

Clinton was impeached for lying about a BJ, and there is a double standard?

You really don't know what all happened do you?

Wow

Clinton was impeached for 2 of the 4 counts that were POLITICALLY charged, the charges were perjury and obstruction of justice,as decided by the House.

The Senate failed to POLITICALLY convict him with the supermajority they needed, 67 votes.

The vote beakdown went as follows:

PERJURY: 55 no / 45 yes

OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE: 50 / 50

So yes, I do well know what the deal is, do you know the diff is between a political and a criminal case/proceding?

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I guess those Dems were so effecient that they got all of that legislation done in the first 100 hours, now they've got nothing else to do.

So the Clinton impeachment showed lots of attention to other more important things huh? Brilliance.

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They remind me of the old fart who has retired, built all of his bird houses, and has nothing left to do except sit on the porch and take down the license plate numbers of everyone who he thinks is breaking the speed limit by 3MPH.

Every evening he calls the police dept. and insists that something be done about this problem.

And teh Repugs chasing of Clinton was not like this? Hard to hear Repugs whine after the BJ impeachment over what.... lying? Oh yea, same lying they are investigating now...... I'm sending you a mirror, just drop a mailing addy.

you really do not know what that was all about do you

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Yes, again:

Clinton was impeached for 2 of the 4 counts that were POLITICALLY charged, the charges were perjury and obstruction of justice,as decided by the House.

The Senate failed to POLITICALLY convict him with the supermajority they needed, 67 votes.

The vote beakdown went as follows:

PERJURY: 55 no / 45 yes

OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE: 50 / 50

So yes, I do well know what the deal is, do you know the diff is between a political and a criminal case/proceding?

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you really do not know what that was all about do you (I have to keep the same rhetoric going in order to avoid discussing the criminals in my party)

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There, fixed it for ya

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I like Sen Specter's view on this. It was basically: Let's interview now, we can always subpoena later if neeed.

He's right. The longer they wait, the worse this is going to get.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I like Sen Specter's view on this. It was basically: Let's interview now, we can always subpoena later if neeed.

He's right. The longer they wait, the worse this is going to get.

Right, kinda like a dress rehersal, so if the lies don;t wash now, they can change their lies later. Allowing a dress rehersal is a free ticket out of trouble for the party of criminals, do you want that?

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I guess those Dems were so effecient that they got all of that legislation done in the first 100 hours, now they've got nothing else to do.

So the Clinton impeachment showed lots of attention to other more important things huh? Brilliance.

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They remind me of the old fart who has retired, built all of his bird houses, and has nothing left to do except sit on the porch and take down the license plate numbers of everyone who he thinks is breaking the speed limit by 3MPH.

Every evening he calls the police dept. and insists that something be done about this problem.

And teh Repugs chasing of Clinton was not like this? Hard to hear Repugs whine after the BJ impeachment over what.... lying? Oh yea, same lying they are investigating now...... I'm sending you a mirror, just drop a mailing addy.

you really do not know what that was all about do you

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Yes, again:

Clinton was impeached for 2 of the 4 counts that were POLITICALLY charged, the charges were perjury and obstruction of justice,as decided by the House.

The Senate failed to POLITICALLY convict him with the supermajority they needed, 67 votes.

The vote beakdown went as follows:

PERJURY: 55 no / 45 yes

OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE: 50 / 50

So yes, I do well know what the deal is, do you know the diff is between a political and a criminal case/proceding?

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you really do not know what that was all about do you (I have to keep the same rhetoric going in order to avoid discussing the criminals in my party)

amazing

There, fixed it for ya

Untill you post what he was charged with and why I will assume you don't really know what was going on. I get this assumption from you continued bj comments

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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I guess those Dems were so effecient that they got all of that legislation done in the first 100 hours, now they've got nothing else to do.

No, they've got a lot to do. About six years worth of oversight for starters.

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you really do not know what that was all about do you

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Sure we do. Years of witch hunting, digging, smearing and the issuing of over a thousand subpoenas in an effort to nab Clinton on something, anything, except for maybe something policy or work related. They finally got him on a technicality in a he said-she said situation arising from an accusation by a woman who was groomed by Clinton's detractors but then dropped like a hot potato afterwards.
Some of the differences to today's topic of Executive accountability:
Clinton's investigation was authorized by his own AG.
The Clinton administration answered to the subpoenas and his people testified under oath.
And unlike Clinton, screwing with a woman or two, the Bushies are being accused of screwing with everyone else.

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I supported the investigation and impeachemnt of Clinton, and I support the current investigations. Deception by public officials, whoever they are, should not be tolerated.

Agreed, but it should be for right reasons. What I am seeing so far is all show and no meat. At this point we will have to wait and see.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I like Sen Specter's view on this. It was basically: Let's interview now, we can always subpoena later if neeed.

He's right. The longer they wait, the worse this is going to get.

The problem with that is that if they allow the interviews now then the administration is going to say "we've already given them all of the information we have. This is over and we're not going to talk about it any more." How many times did Bush's people dump some National Guard documents and insist "this is all of it, there is no more"? You can't get rid of it all and still have some left. Although, if Bush thinks that's possible that might explain his fiscal policies.
I say, put them under oath and transcribe. Maybe I should mine this forum for the phrase "if they have nothing to hide then there's nothing to worry about".

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you really do not know what that was all about do you

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Sure we do. Years of witch hunting, digging, smearing and the issuing of over a thousand subpoenas in an effort to nab Clinton on something, anything, except for maybe something policy or work related. They finally got him on a technicality in a he said-she said situation arising from an accusation by a woman who was groomed by Clinton's detractors but then dropped like a hot potato afterwards.
Some of the differences to today's topic of Executive accountability:
Clinton's investigation was authorized by his own AG.
The Clinton administration answered to the subpoenas and his people testified under oath.
And unlike Clinton, screwing with a woman or two, the Bushies are being accused of screwing with everyone else.

Unles you are just not posting it you are showing you have no idea what the whole thing with Clinton was about. Can you prove me wrong?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Agreed, but it should be for right reasons.

The investigations should be for the right reason? if a blowjob was good enough reason a couple of years ago, then pretty much anything is fair game now.

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Agreed, but it should be for right reasons.

The investigations should be for the right reason? if a blowjob was good enough reason a couple of years ago, then pretty much anything is fair game now.

Now you are proving you dont have a clue about the Clinton problems. You all just take the Clinton generated media spin for the truth.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Unles you are just not posting it you are showing you have no idea what the whole thing with Clinton was about. Can you prove me wrong?

You mean the years of partisan witch hunting and character assassination had a reason beyond sleazy politics in its ugliest form? Please enlighten me, but let's start another thread to do it. We don't want to get distracted from current affairs, even though some would probably welcome the diversion.

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Unles you are just not posting it you are showing you have no idea what the whole thing with Clinton was about. Can you prove me wrong?

You mean the years of partisan witch hunting and character assassination had a reason beyond sleazy politics in its ugliest form? Please enlighten me, but let's start another thread to do it. We don't want to get distracted from current affairs, even though some would probably welcome the diversion.

You know, I am tired of this. If you want to beleive the whole clinton thing was about a bj and a whitch hunt then so be it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Unles you are just not posting it you are showing you have no idea what the whole thing with Clinton was about. Can you prove me wrong?

You mean the years of partisan witch hunting and character assassination had a reason beyond sleazy politics in its ugliest form? Please enlighten me, but let's start another thread to do it. We don't want to get distracted from current affairs, even though some would probably welcome the diversion.

You know, I am tired of this. If you want to beleive the whole clinton thing was about a bj and a whitch hunt then so be it.

You've got it all wrong.... It was the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!!! (and Hillary is saying that it's back)

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Unles you are just not posting it you are showing you have no idea what the whole thing with Clinton was about. Can you prove me wrong?

You mean the years of partisan witch hunting and character assassination had a reason beyond sleazy politics in its ugliest form? Please enlighten me, but let's start another thread to do it. We don't want to get distracted from current affairs, even though some would probably welcome the diversion.

You know, I am tired of this. If you want to beleive the whole clinton thing was about a bj and a whitch hunt then so be it.

You've got it all wrong.... It was the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!!! (and Hillary is saying that it's back)

Dam, know I am really confused

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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You know, I am tired of this. If you want to beleive the whole clinton thing was about a bj and a whitch hunt then so be it.

Nah, the BJ is just what he lied about. The witch hunt and smearing was real. Financed by Scaife, printed by the American Spectator and Washington Times, and written by someone who admits that in 12 years of writing hit pieces for conservative magazines they were never once fact checked. Funny thing is, when he wrote his book about Hillary for the same people, he did fact check and try to be honest for a change. As a result, he lost his job and the book sales were lousy...not in that order.
But to stay on topic.......if Bush's people didn't do anything wrong, what are they afraid of

edited to add: I'm guessing that they don't want to talk about the Justice Dept emails from the middle of November to the beginning of Dec, which were cut from the first round in the recent document dump

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Senate committee on Thursday authorized subpoenas for White House political adviser Karl Rove and others to testify under oath about the firings of U.S. attorneys.

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Action on possible subpoenas was preceded by letters sent last week to administration officials asking them to testify in the matter.

Bush said sworn testimony by White House officials would breach executive privilege -- the right of the president to have confidential communications with his staff -- and vowed Congress would face a legal fight if subpoenas are issued.

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Now you are proving you dont have a clue about the Clinton problems. You all just take the Clinton generated media spin for the truth.

So, this lying under oath stuff had nothing to do about a BJ?

Thta whole episode made the US the laughing stock of the international community.

In the end all of that was done under oath though, something the Bush Administration seems very afraid of, being sworn to tell the truth.

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So, this lying under oath stuff had nothing to do about a BJ?

Hey be nice. Dredging up the old BJ tantrum is his way of saying he can't think of any way to debate the original topic.

Rule #1 of negotiations, always leave an easy out for your opponent.

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

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Bush said sworn testimony by White House officials would breach executive privilege -- the right of the president to have confidential communications with his staff -- and vowed Congress would face a legal fight if subpoenas are issued.

(this one's so easy I almost feel guilty)
Didn't they try to impeach Clinton for confidential communications with his staff?

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Bush said sworn testimony by White House officials would breach executive privilege -- the right of the president to have confidential communications with his staff -- and vowed Congress would face a legal fight if subpoenas are issued.

(this one's so easy I almost feel guilty)
Didn't they try to impeach Clinton for confidential communications with his staff?

Ahh, did you happen to catch the Washington (com)Posts editorial today?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/21/AR2007032101974.html

Maybe you should . Hell, even this left wing rag has it correct.

Add to this that the Dems on the committe have publicaly said that no crime has been commited and you still think this is all legit?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Add to this that the Dems on the committe have publicaly said that no crime has been commited and you still think this is all legit?

No crime has been committed as in, the people who did the firing had the right to do so. A crime may have been committed when it comes to timing and reasoning. If not a crime, it may have been highly inappropriate and punishable under codes of ethics etc.

All completely different things.