BBC reports that Pessimism 'growing among Iraqis'

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clicky

The guy that became famous for helping to topple the SH statute... wishes that he had not done so and thinks that it would be better if SH was still there (Better the devil you know, he said) even though he had been imprissoned by SH.

It's not looking very good again. According to the news.

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[narcimund 0]

You did know that BBC is owned by George Soros, right?

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[shropshire 0]

Play nice

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[shropshire 0]

PS 190 journalists have died in the 4 year conflict.

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[miked10270 0]

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PS 190 journalists have died in the 4 year conflict.

What did the two who weren't shot by American troops die of?

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[rushmc 23]

Interesting because this was also just reported.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1530762.ece

If you saw it you failed to post it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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probably slipped on a bar of soap

The names of the 16 members of Red Platoon Delta company have been realeased. It is belived that one of these may have been respon sible for the death of Terry Lloyd....clicky

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Interesting because this was also just reported.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1530762.ece

If you saw it you failed to post it.

Yeah... In the study... One in 4 iraqis have had a family member killed. One in 3 Iraqis have a family member who's left the country.

But on the upside, there's more living space per person still there.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[rushmc 23]

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Interesting because this was also just reported.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1530762.ece

If you saw it you failed to post it.

Yeah... In the study... One in 4 iraqis have had a family member killed. One in 3 Iraqis have a family member who's left the country.

But on the upside, there's more living space per person still there.

Mike.

Now that is a hell of a conclusion

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

So if the post of a poll I put forth is BS what does than make yours? Frosting?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[shropshire 0]

<> - WTF?

I'm watching the BBC news at the moment and that's what I was reporting... why would you think that I was deliberately hiding some other report..... which I had not seen (aling with countless others that I haven't seen either)....... watch out for the shadows

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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.... what does than make yours? Frosting?

PLEASE... Don't accuse ME of sugar-coating things! Leave that to The Times.

"One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad."

If they polled a "representative-sample" of Iraqis, how did they poll the dead, kidnapped and emigrant, of which there now seems to be rather a lot!

But... Property is now a lot cheaper thanks to the reduced demand for it! I can see a long-term-holiday-home-investment-opportunity for the median Times reader.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[rushmc 23]

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.... what does than make yours? Frosting?

PLEASE... Don't accuse ME of sugar-coating things! Leave that to The Times.

"One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad."

If they polled a "representative-sample" of Iraqis, how did they poll the dead, kidnapped and emigrant, of which there now seems to be rather a lot!

But... Property is now a lot cheaper thanks to the reduced demand for it! I can see a long-term-holiday-home-investment-opportunity for the median Times reader.

Mike.

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....and you mis-represent the point of the poll for your purposes.

Nice

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[rushmc 23]

I also injoy the ability of lefies to attack sources with which they do not agree.

Quite entertaining and true to form

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Care to go another round??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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clicky

The guy that became famous for helping to topple the SH statute... wishes that he had not done so and thinks that it would be better if SH was still there (Better the devil you know, he said) even though he had been imprissoned by SH.

It's not looking very good again. According to the news.

Wait, according to the earlier spin he was supposed to ba a CIA plant. You mean the poisonous lies spread about this guy and others like him to undermine the legitimacy of his new government actually undermined the legitimacy of his new government?

And we should listen to the next round of poisonous lies intended to doom a nation to misery exactly why?

The reports in todays Times (not the NY swill) paint a different picture despite them being anti-war.

One problem is that the well intentioned US is the lightning rod for criticism here as the real miscreants run around and cause as much carnage as possible and effectively get a free pass by virtue of their ability to completely ignore what little criticism is cast in their direction.

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The media usually interview Sunnis to get these reports. If I were a Sunni, I'd very very, very pessimistic indeed.

In fact, I'd do what 90% of the Sunnis in Iraq have done and get lost.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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It's a good point... A later news program gave a break down of the poll answers ... Sunni .vs. Shia

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In ethnic terms, Sunnis were more eager for troops to leave - with 55% saying they should leave now compared to 28% of Shia respondents.

A strong leader is more popular than democracy to 58% of the Sunni population, although most accept Iraq will be a democracy in five years' time. Shia respondents were split 41% to 40% in favour of democracy over an Islamic state, but 52% think Iraq will be a democracy in five years' time.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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I also injoy the ability of lefies to attack sources with which they do not agree.

Quite entertaining and true to form

Dude, you are the guy that was pumping up a minor statistical decrease of American
deaths in Iraq yet continue to oppose the majority of the world's scientists on global warming??

Your agreement or disagreement seems to depend on political alliance.

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[akarunway 1]

skewed polls

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[rushmc 23]

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I also injoy the ability of lefies to attack sources with which they do not agree.

Quite entertaining and true to form

Dude, you are the guy that was pumping up a minor statistical decrease of American
deaths in Iraq yet continue to oppose the majority of the world's scientists on global warming??

Your agreement or disagreement seems to depend on political alliance.

And you follow the bs montra as highlighted above and twist details to suit your position. I only posted the info.

But I understant that the left has to avoid a win Iraq at all costs. Why? One only need look where they have hung their political hat to understand that.

Want to try again??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[narcimund 0]

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Your agreement or disagreement seems to depend on political alliance.

And ...

But ...

Wow. That didn't phase you one bit.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[shropshire 0]

To add.... another Poll in the U.K suggest that roughly 66% of people think that the attack on Iraq was a mistake.

Mistake? a mistake is when you wear white socks with black shoes or put colours into a white wash.

This on the other hand was an ill concieved, poorly executed cock up of epic proportions.... Mistake my arse, it was self serving, power crazed idiots trying to take over the world - wankers!!

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[nigel99 625]

I don't think it was a mistake.

I think that Bush had made up his mind to go to war and to hell with the rest of the world.

While I was & am completely against the war, I think that Blair had a choice - the chaos caused by the USA joining the ranks of "Rogue Nations" and going to war alone - or stepping in alongside them and DESPITE political opinion at home (remembering that the war option was VERY un popular here - all along).

I think that despite being a socialist tosser Blair did the right thing and prevented a greater world catastrophy.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[jenfly00 0]

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I also injoy the ability of lefies to attack sources with which they do not agree.

Quite entertaining and true to form

Dude, you are the guy that was pumping up a minor statistical decrease of American
deaths in Iraq yet continue to oppose the majority of the world's scientists on global warming??

Your agreement or disagreement seems to depend on political alliance.

And you follow the bs montra as highlighted above and twist details to suit your position. I only posted the info.

But I understant that the left has to avoid a win Iraq at all costs. Why? One only need look where they have hung their political hat to understand that.

Want to try again??

Well, speaking for "the left", I would love to see a 'win' in Iraq. Pissing me off as much as going there to begin with was fucking it up when we got there.

If we were going to go to war then let's, by god, go to war and kick ass! I suspect many on "the left" would have been more supportive if we handn't, once again, demonstrated our incompetence.

History will perhaps remember Bush less for bad decisions and dishonesty and more for being a loser. American hates losers.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".