happythoughts 0 #1 March 13, 2007 CBS News QuoteAs documentary filmmakers, Debbie Melnyk and Rick Caine looked up to Michael Moore. Then they tried to do a documentary of their own about him _ and ran into the same sort of resistance Moore himself famously faces in his own films. The result is "Manufacturing Dissent," which turns the camera on the confrontational documentarian and examines some of his methods. Among their revelations in the movie, which had its world premiere Saturday night at the South by Southwest film festival: That Moore actually did speak with then-General Motors chairman Roger Smith, the evasive subject of his 1989 debut "Roger & Me," but chose to withhold that footage from the final cut. QuoteThe husband-and-wife directors spent over two years making the movie, which follows Moore on his college tour promoting 2004's "Fahrenheit 9/11." The film shows Melnyk repeatedly approaching Moore for an interview and being rejected; members of Moore's team also kick the couple out of the audience at one of his speeches, saying they weren't allowed to be shooting there. Quote"There's no point for Michael to respond to the film because then it gives it publicity," she said. "(President) Bush didn't respond to `Fahrenheit 9/11,' and there's a reason for that," Caine added. QuoteBut after four months of unsuccessfully trying to sit down with Moore for an on-camera interview, they realized they needed to approach the subject from a different angle. They began looking at the process Moore employs in his films, and the deeper they dug, the more they began to question him. The fact that Moore spoke with Smith, including a lengthy question-and-answer exchange during a May 1987 GM shareholders meeting, first was reported in a Premiere magazine article three years later. Transcripts of the discussion had been leaked to the magazine, and a clip of the meeting appeared in "Manufacturing Dissent." Moore also reportedly interviewed Smith on camera in January 1988 at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York. Since then, in the years since "Roger & Me" put Moore on the map, those details seem to have been suppressed and forgotten. "It was shocking, because to me that was the whole premise of `Roger & Me,'" Melnyk said. Selective editing ? Suppressing facts which are against the theme of a biased presentation ? Removing alternative media from a venue ? What happened to freedom of the press ? Not consenting to interviews ? Tsk, tsk, Michael. The interesting part? The people filming the documentary really like MM. They admire and respect him. However, I'm sure the film will be written off as biased propaganda. Hollywood hates the wrong propaganda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #2 March 13, 2007 More along those lines: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htmPeople are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #3 March 13, 2007 Maybe someone should follow them around for a year or so and try get an interview.... and then those people could have a film made about them, making a film about the others who were making a film about Micky Moore who was making a film about ........ Does anyone ever watch these fims anyway? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #4 March 13, 2007 Michael Moore does use a bias point of view but then again does have a 'south park' type approach of taking current events and exposing the 'awful truth' of the way the people that are in powerful positions are actually intellectually handicapped. In a sense he puts words into their mouths but he cannot control what they actually say. I especially enjoyed his interview with Charlton Hesten of the KKK (ahem oops) NRA. Those good old dead old white guys How the fuck did Charlton Heston allow Michael Moore to have an interview with him? almost as bad as Elton John having an interview with Ali 'G'. "So, how long is you been a batty boy then?" You think celebrities would research their interviewers eh ? or at least get their PA's to do so."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #5 March 13, 2007 QuoteMichael Moore ... does have a 'south park' type approach ... Not even close. South Park attempts to portray that extremism is bad. Michael Moore attempts to portray that extremism is only bad if you do not agree with him. Quote"I'm a millionaire, I'm a multi-millionaire. I'm filthy rich." Michael Moore Michael Moore is filthy rich ... Quote"These bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug pricks who need to be brought down and removed and replaced with a whole new system that we control." Michael Moore .. and wants to remove and replace the whole system with one that filthy rich people control."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jarrodh 0 #6 March 13, 2007 QuoteI especially enjoyed his interview with Charlton Hesten of the KKK (ahem oopsBlush) NRA. Those good old dead old white guys LaughLaughLaugh If I said that I probably would have been lynched by now. 2 BITS....4 BITS....6 BITS....A DOLLAR!....ALL FOR THE GATORS....STAND UP AND HOLLER!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #7 March 13, 2007 He's a secular progressive lieing idiot. What's new? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #8 March 13, 2007 QuoteI especially enjoyed his interview with Charlton Hesten of the KKK (ahem oops) NRA. This is one of the dumbest most ignorant things I have ever read from you. Just because you don't agree you label it as bad. Just like some label freestyle as stupid, or even skydiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 March 13, 2007 QuoteHow the fuck did Charlton Heston allow Michael Moore to have an interview with him? Because he was (not sure if ex or not) the leader of the NRA and knows he's in the right, so talking to yet another whack job gun hater doesn't really scare him. Heston was never a coward, never afraid to stand for his beliefs. That's why he was tapped for the job. Or perhaps because he came from a time when manners and decorum (at least in public) still were respected. While I know lots of low lifes out there enjoyed seeing him befuddled by Moore, I saw him trying to figure out how to deal with an asshole with some sort of grace. 30 years from now, Heston will still be a legend, remember both for Moses and his role in the NRA. Moore will be collecting social security. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #10 March 13, 2007 Quote In a sense he puts words into their mouths but he cannot control what they actually say. After a fashion, he can. 1. In Roger and Me, he gave the impression that Roger Smith would not talk to him. That was not the truth. Smith met with him twice. (I am sure that the president of most large corporations do not generally have the time to talk to every media person who wishes to talk to them, regardless of their intent.) 2. If they do say something that disagrees with his point of view, he merely edits it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #11 March 14, 2007 QuoteThis is one of the dumbest most ignorant things I have ever read from you. Just because you don't agree you label it as bad. How is enjoying a redneck being exposed as the redneck he is, being ignorant? of course aother gun toting rednecks will be admiring the old fella for years to come. doesn't stop him from being a redneck. Or are you trying to say there are absolutely no ties between the former KKK and the NRA? Lighten up buddy! this is the speakers corner. You remind me of myself when I first discovered this forum, taking everybody too seriously and getting wound up about it. I was just poking. but yes I do think easily available firearms are bad, as bad as judging someone by the color of their skin. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #12 March 14, 2007 QuoteHow is enjoying a redneck being exposed as the redneck he is, being ignorant? of course aother gun toting rednecks will be admiring the old fella for years to come. doesn't stop him from being a redneck. I find that when people have no argument they attack the person. Like you just did. QuoteOr are you trying to say there are absolutely no ties between the former KKK and the NRA? No I am saying you have no proof there are ties now, but you still make the claim. QuoteI was just poking. but yes I do think easily available firearms are bad, as bad as judging someone by the color of their skin. Yet you judge people all the time...Reference the "redneck" comments above. How much real experience do you have with guns? You said before only seeing them on TV. That means you have no real idea about guns and that makes you like the wuffo that things skydiving is for idiots IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #13 March 15, 2007 QuoteOr are you trying to say there are absolutely no ties between the former KKK and the NRA? In 2005, the NRA claimed 4 million members. It was estimated that the KKK has 5,000 members. (We can assume that the black NRA members show no support for the KKK.) Even if most KKK members were NRA members, it would only be around 1 in 1,000. Since the NZ has an active KKK group, a KKK member in NZ is more likely to be a NZPF member, statistically speaking. (Of course, that is a slanderously unfounded statistic like the original statement that you posted.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #14 March 15, 2007 QuoteI especially enjoyed his interview with Charlton Hesten of the KKK (ahem oops) NRA. Those good old dead old white guys How the fuck did Charlton Heston allow Michael Moore to have an interview with him? Charlton Heston probably assumed it was going to be a respectable interview. Instead, what he got was Michael Moore spending most of the time trying to get him to admit that the NRA was, in some way, responsible for the death of a little girl. CH may have come across as befuddled, but Moore exposed himself as the pathetic wretch he is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #15 March 15, 2007 And I suppose you think the content of this page is appropriate, the very first thing i see when i google 'NRA KKK' http://www.nra-kkk.org/ Personally i find that quite disturbing. This was the second thing i found http://www.burntorangereport.com/archives/003895.html and the third a little more towards the other way but still not dfinitave;http://www.theinternetparty.org/commentary/c_s.php?td=20030526000108§ion_type=com As i said I was Just poking. I don't think all gun owners are racist, but I think it is a huge problem that anyone feels the need to carry a gun. the second ammendment is the problem, unfortunately you cant take that away and you cant change the fact there are millions of guns in incorrect hands, and now you all feel the need to have one to be safe, How many of you have actually pointed a gun and used it in self defence? would that actually be helping your safety or making things more dangerous? think about it! a rather tender subject, another slice anyone "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #16 March 15, 2007 Quotehttp://www.nra-kkk.org/ Personally i find that quite disturbing. That site has nothing to do with either the NRA or KKK. What about it disturbs you? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #17 March 15, 2007 Quotethe second ammendment is the problem, unfortunately you cant take that away and you cant change the fact there are millions of guns in incorrect hands, Then the second ammendment is NOT the problem. Under current law, felons are not allowed the rights of the second ammendment like the rest of us. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #18 March 15, 2007 The first link is someones idea of a sick joke and not connected in any way to the NRA. The second link, I fail to see any connection at all to what is discussed in this thread. (Voting in Austin on May 25, 2005?) The third link is just someone's opinion, not facts. You are entitled to feel any way you want about our Constitution. Since you don't care for it then it's probably best you don't live here. Yes, I have pointed a gun in self defense. Twice. I'm still here because I was able to protect myself, so I think it would be safe to assume that it did help my safety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #19 March 15, 2007 QuoteUnder current law, felons are not allowed the rights of the second ammendment like the rest of us. are you trying to say there are not millions of guns in the hands of criminals? Guns are Bad M-kay."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #20 March 15, 2007 How did this become another gun thread? PS: Are you also against vehicles because people driving vehicles kill hundreds of thousands of people every year? "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #21 March 15, 2007 QuoteQuoteUnder current law, felons are not allowed the rights of the second ammendment like the rest of us. are you trying to say there are not millions of guns in the hands of criminals? Guns are Bad M-kay. I think (I may be wrong) that what he was saying is that criminals are, by definition, non-law abiding people. If they are willing to kill another human being for their wallet, do you really think they care about some law that says they can't have a gun? There are thousands of gun laws in place. Unfortunately they are often used as a political tool, i.e. the law is passed but not enforced, then it is claimed that more laws are needed because the first one didn't work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #22 March 15, 2007 QuoteHow did this become another gun thread? Don't you know? When push comes to shove, everything is a gun thread, it's just a matter of finding the gun. When a sculptor sculpts a block of granite, the image of the gun is already in there; he just needs to chip away the extraneous stone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #23 March 15, 2007 Quotethe very first thing i see when i google 'NRA KKK' And when I google "New Zealand KKK" I get: "Ku Klux Klan active in NZ, says former leader" That means...exactly nothing. Just like your links Not defending the KKK in any way, but you make attacks on the NRA like they are the KKK and that is just not true. QuoteAs i said I was Just poking. I don't think all gun owners are racist, but I think it is a huge problem that anyone feels the need to carry a gun. the second ammendment is the problem, unfortunately you cant take that away and you cant change the fact there are millions of guns in incorrect hands, and now you all feel the need to have one to be safe, The second is not the problem. CRIMINALS are the problem and they will get guns anyway. The shootings in NYC were with a RUSSIAN made handgun. Who said we feel the NEED to carry? We have the RIGHT. I don't carry, but I could if I felt like it. QuoteHow many of you have actually pointed a gun and used it in self defence? Have you even held a gun? Shot it? Got any training? If not you are just like the skydiving whuffo. You have a strong opinion with no information. Quotewould that actually be helping your safety or making things more dangerous? think about it! It would make me safer. But have you ever held or shot a gun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 March 15, 2007 QuoteHow did this become another gun thread? PS: Are you also against vehicles because people driving vehicles kill hundreds of thousands of people every year? High speed canopies are starting to kill people too. And not just the owner, but others in the sky with them. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squarecanopy 0 #25 March 15, 2007 it is a fact that rats and cockraoches scatter and run when a light is shined on them. Michael Moore easily fits in either catagory. Just burning a hole in the sky..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
