Adios Alberto?

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I know this may come as a shock to you, but CDIF really isn't an absolute defense for every failing of the Bush Administration. I mean, it's fine if all you want to do is preach to the choir, but if you're going to persuade anyone else, you'll have to do better than that.

That is not what I said but I am sure you don't care.

My point is if this is such a big deal now, why wasn't it a big deal in 93. If Ms Clinton is elected can she no longer fire any of them now because of this stupid shit storm the left is stirring??

Those pushing this one should be asamed of them selves

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Get over it , there is no story here

I AM over it. I was ready to have Gonzales fired a long time ago. The is just another example of why. And I think what you mean is "no NEW story here". Gonzales has been working as Dubya's lawyer for a long time. The Justice Dept. gig was just a lateral move. Not unlike Tony Snow's

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You're evading the point, which is that this wasn't simply a house-cleaning of political appointees, which yes, every President has the right to do. The clear undertone of what was going on here is that top Republicans were putting political pressuring on individual US Attorneys with respect to prosecutorial decisions and activities, which is completely improper (if not illegal), and when the US Attys resisted, they were retaliated against by the White House in collusion with top officials of the Justice Department. And that undermines the integrity of the system.

The lies to Congress, and the almost daily changing of the "official" story by the Justice Dept., and Gonzales' sacrificing of a key deputy while taking no responsibility himself for the ship under his command, and the White House making personal attacks on Republican critics, only compounds it.

Now you can spin that around all you want, but I'm afraid that the Newsmax crowd isn't going to make a silk purse out of that sow's ear.

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You're evading the point, which is that this wasn't simply a house-cleaning of political appointees, which yes, every President has the right to do. The clear undertone of what was going on here is that top Republicans were putting political pressuring on individual US Attorneys with respect to prosecutorial decisions and activities, which is completely improper (if not illegal), and when the US Attys resisted, they were retaliated against by the White House in collusion with top officials of the Justice Department. And that undermines the integrity of the system.

The lies to Congress, and the almost daily changing of the "official" story by the Justice Dept., and Gonzales' sacrificing of a key deputy while taking no responsibility himself for the ship under his command, and the White House making personal attacks on Republican critics, only compounds it.

Now you can spin that around all you want, but I'm afraid that the Newsmax crowd isn't going to make a silk purse out of that sow's ear.

No, you don't seen to get it. Firing them does not have to be cleared by congress. Giving them info is a curtisy only. This is purly a political hit job and the admin is doing a piss poor job or defending themselves.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

No, you don't seem to get it.
1. The firings were part of a pattern of political interference with prosecutions. The interference was improper, the firings were merely a means to an improper end.
2. Even if Congress doesn't need to approve the firings, Congress has oversight responsibility. If Congress asks the Executive branch to explain something, the Exec has 2 options: tell the truth, or refuse to answer. Lying to Congress is not permitted.

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No, you don't seem to get it.
1. The firings were part of a pattern of political interference with prosecutions. The interference was improper, the firings were merely a means to an improper end.

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bull shit.
2. Even if Congress doesn't need to approve the firings, Congress has oversight responsibility. If Congress asks the Executive branch to explain something, the Exec has 2 options: tell the truth, or refuse to answer. Lying to Congress is not permitted.

bull shit again


this is realy sad you suck this up so blindly

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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[Andy9o8 2]

When you have a cogent argument to make, let us know.

[rushmc 23]

Not that it will make any difference to you ......

http://newsbusters.org/node/11418


http://newsbusters.org/node/11439

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009784

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

In other words, "But Clinton Did It First".
How very persuasive.

[idrankwhat 0]

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In other words, "But Clinton Did It First".
How very persuasive.

That one doesn't work either.

"Although Bush and President Bill Clinton each dismissed nearly all U.S. attorneys upon taking office, legal experts and former prosecutors say the firing of a large number of prosecutors in the middle of a term appears to be unprecedented and threatens the independence of prosecutors."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/13/AR2007031300776_pf.html

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In other words, "But Clinton Did It First".
How very persuasive.

No, but he did fire 120 of them. 93 day one and 30 more later. He did not have to answer to congress nor did the repubs acuse him of anything. It was his right as President.

I guess not all presidents get the same latitude?

Oh shit, I forgot, depends from what party the President is from!!!!!

That explains it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I guess not all presidents get the same latitude?

Oh shit, I forgot, depends from what party the President is from!!!!!

That explains it

If you and your cohorts weren't PERFECT exemplars of this very attitude, there never would have been a need for the speakers corner term "CDIF".

You're mocking yourself more than anyone else.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[rushmc 23]

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I guess not all presidents get the same latitude?

Oh shit, I forgot, depends from what party the President is from!!!!!

That explains it

If you and your cohorts weren't PERFECT exemplars of this very attitude, there never would have been a need for the speakers corner term "CDIF".

You're mocking yourself more than anyone else.

Who said anything about Clinton. It was not illegal when he did it and there is nothing wrong now. Those claiming there is something wrong here are full of shit.

But, I know you need to play both sides because you can't be consistant.

The hypocosy here is thicker than the shit being thrown around to this topic.


I also know when the argument starts to slip away attacks need to made. You are proving that point.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I guess not all presidents get the same latitude?

Oh shit, I forgot, depends from what party the President is from!!!!!

That explains it

You might want to take it easy on us liberal hack job artists and reign in your own first.
Looks like Bush's Congressional rubber stamp has run out of ink.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/03/second_republic.html

[rushmc 23]

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I guess not all presidents get the same latitude?

Oh shit, I forgot, depends from what party the President is from!!!!!

That explains it

You might want to take it easy on us liberal hack job artists and reign in your own first.
Looks like Bush's Congressional rubber stamp has run out of ink.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/03/second_republic.html

Dam right, comments like this make everything apear in perspective

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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I guess not all presidents get the same latitude?

Oh shit, I forgot, depends from what party the President is from!!!!!

That explains it

You might want to take it easy on us liberal hack job artists and reign in your own first.
Looks like Bush's Congressional rubber stamp has run out of ink.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/03/second_republic.html

Dam right, comments like this make everything apear in perspective

My comments or the ones that were made by the Republicans in the link I provided? Looking at the time stamp on your post I'm assuming the former.

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I guess not all presidents get the same latitude?

Oh shit, I forgot, depends from what party the President is from!!!!!

That explains it

You might want to take it easy on us liberal hack job artists and reign in your own first.
Looks like Bush's Congressional rubber stamp has run out of ink.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/03/second_republic.html

Dam right, comments like this make everything apear in perspective

My comments or the ones that were made by the Republicans in the link I provided? Looking at the time stamp on your post I'm assuming the former.

They are afraid of the drive by media. They are as full of shit as eveyone else bantering this topic. Besides WTF has that got to do with anythig???

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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But, I know you need to play both sides because you can't be consistant.

You think I'm not consistent because you insist on interpreting everything as part of a small-minded "Republican vs. Democrat" debate.

Global warming? Republican vs. Democrat!
Sex? Republican vs. Democrat!
Expanding or contracting universe? Republican vs. Democrat!
Vanilla or chocolate? Republican vs. Democrat!

And in flatland, you can only see two dimensions, but sometimes everyone else is moving through three or four...

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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They are afraid of the drive by media. They are as full of shit as eveyone else bantering this topic. Besides WTF has that got to do with anythig???

You are indeed brave, Sir knight, but the fight is mine.

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They are as full of shit as eveyone else bantering this topic.

Hi there.

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And in flatland, you can only see two dimensions, but sometimes everyone else is moving through three or four...

Notice how in the Wrath of Khan, Spock and Kirk noted that Khan's starship fighting style was "antiquated and 2-dimensional".

So they elevatored 'up', and then drove back down behind Khan and then shot him instead of just pointing the ship down from 'above'.

Also, how the ships always seem to point at each other in the same plane? You never see them sitting at strange and visually uncomfortable angles relative to each other.

I mean, if Gene Roddenberry didn't get it, how can you expect the rest of the world to?

really

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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Also, how the ships always seem to point at each other in the same plane? You never see them sitting at strange and visually uncomfortable angles relative to each other.

I always wondered the same thing, but it didn't bother me quite as much as Superman taking bullets to the chest from 5 ft but then ducking when the bad guy threw his gun at him.

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They are afraid of the drive by media.

I love it when 'dittoheads' quote Limbaugh verbatim. Now quick, tells us again how you think for yourself!

For all those interested, the 'drive by media' is ALL media, excepting Fox News and Newsmax.

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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

[rushmc 23]

4 replies and not one with any substance

hmmmm

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I always wondered the same thing, but it didn't bother me quite as much as Superman taking bullets to the chest from 5 ft but then ducking when the bad guy threw his gun at him.

That's because "GUNS ARE EVIL", not the bullets.

Jeeshe, you guys can't seem to stay off of you favorite subject.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants