1969912 0 #26 March 12, 2007 QuoteThey get death threats from screwballs - the same type of people that bomb abortion clinics. They are shunned by scientists because 99% of scientist agree on global warming, and those who don't are morons. Hence, no funding for morons. Makes sense to me. Where do you get the 99% figure? Do you really believe it to be true? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #27 March 12, 2007 QuoteThe repercussions of ignoring global warming could POSSIBLY kill billions. It's funny that these billions you speak of are predomintaly found in two nations who are rapidly adding to the problem with little or no concern. Plus maybe there are far too many humans to begin with walking this earth. Have humans done damage to this planet? Yes we have ... Can humans reverse the problem? Maybe ... maybe not. Time will tell. If humans can fix the problem, will we see it in our life time? Nope, it will take centuries to reverse the trend ... So why all the "Chicken Littles" all of a sudden? It's just politics ... "Party On". Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #28 March 12, 2007 I mean seriously, people, it's as though The Right has so completely played out all their other hot-button issues, the only other issue they have left to politicize is "the global warming fraud". As if that's really going to be able to charge up their voting strength in the next few elections. Yawn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #29 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteThey get death threats from screwballs - the same type of people that bomb abortion clinics. They are shunned by scientists because 99% of scientist agree on global warming, and those who don't are morons. Hence, no funding for morons. Makes sense to me. Where do you get the 99% figure? Do you really believe it to be true? It's probably more like 99.9%. I believe it to be true, and it is true. The overwhelming majority of scientists agree that global warming is taking place. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #30 March 12, 2007 >the only other issue they have left to politicize is "the global warming > fraud". As if that's really going to be able to charge up their voting >strength in the next few elections. Indeed, I expect it to have the opposite effect. As people watch the permafrost melt, the glaciers recede, the ice cap disappear, and the summers get hotter, the claims of "it's all a big hoax!" are going to make them look more and more out of touch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #31 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThey get death threats from screwballs - the same type of people that bomb abortion clinics. They are shunned by scientists because 99% of scientist agree on global warming, and those who don't are morons. Hence, no funding for morons. Makes sense to me. Where do you get the 99% figure? Do you really believe it to be true? It's probably more like 99.9%. I believe it to be true, and it is true. The overwhelming majority of scientists agree that global warming is taking place. Keep making up numbers! also, where do you get the "overwhelming majority.." from? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 March 12, 2007 They are shunned by scientists because 99% of scientist agree on global warming, Quote A BFL Nice"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #33 March 12, 2007 QuoteThe dishonesty here, really, is that there is some sort of conspiracy to hush up scientists that are at odds with the majority opinion. This -isn't- how science works. There simply -isn't- a "powerful alliance of politicians, scientists and environmentalists who have stifled all questioning about the true environmental impact of carbon dioxide emissions." The fact is, the opposite is true and it is members of the U.S. Administration that are trying to hush up their own experts that attempt to speak out. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/306820_bears09.html?source=mypi Once again "The majority" opinion. What pure bs."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #34 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThey get death threats from screwballs - the same type of people that bomb abortion clinics. They are shunned by scientists because 99% of scientist agree on global warming, and those who don't are morons. Hence, no funding for morons. Makes sense to me. Where do you get the 99% figure? Do you really believe it to be true? It's probably more like 99.9%. I believe it to be true, and it is true. The overwhelming majority of scientists agree that global warming is taking place. Keep making up numbers! also, where do you get the "overwhelming majority.." from? From Claude Allegre? Or is he one of those "morons" Zippo was talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #35 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThey get death threats from screwballs - the same type of people that bomb abortion clinics. They are shunned by scientists because 99% of scientist agree on global warming, and those who don't are morons. Hence, no funding for morons. Makes sense to me. Where do you get the 99% figure? Do you really believe it to be true? It's probably more like 99.9%. I believe it to be true, and it is true. The overwhelming majority of scientists agree that global warming is taking place. Keep making up numbers! also, where do you get the "overwhelming majority.." from? Prove that the overwhelming majority of scientists don't believe that global warming is happening. I am not going to waste my time citing sources. You will simply call the source a crock of shit and go on believing the way you choose. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,114 #36 March 12, 2007 >"The majority" opinion. What pure bs. Number of peer-reviewed papers discussing anthropogenic climate change in the past 15 years - over 10,000 Number of peer-reviewed papers taking one of two denier positions (that the climate isn't changing significantly, or that anthropogenic increases in CO2 have nothing to do with warming) - 7 Percentage that agree - 99.93% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #37 March 12, 2007 Quote d) we _have_ made efforts to reduce CH4 emissions, and they have been effective. Increases in methane levels are slowing down. Not if it's released in a global fart the size of two countries. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4141348.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #38 March 12, 2007 Quote>"The majority" opinion. What pure bs. Number of peer-reviewed papers discussing anthropogenic climate change in the past 15 years - over 10,000 Number of peer-reviewed papers taking one of two denier positions (that the climate isn't changing significantly, or that anthropogenic increases in CO2 have nothing to do with warming) - 7 Percentage that agree - 99.93% Holy shit - I thought I was just spouting BS, but it looks like I was right - at least sort of. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #39 March 12, 2007 QuoteProve that the overwhelming majority of scientists don't believe that global warming is happening. I am not going to waste my time citing sources. You will simply call the source a crock of shit and go on believing the way you choose. Are you talking about simple climate change, which I doubt anyone refutes, or anthropogenic global warming? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #40 March 12, 2007 Quote>"The majority" opinion. What pure bs. Number of peer-reviewed papers discussing anthropogenic climate change in the past 15 years - over 10,000 Number of peer-reviewed papers taking one of two denier positions (that the climate isn't changing significantly, or that anthropogenic increases in CO2 have nothing to do with warming) - 7 Percentage that agree - 99.93% Of those 10,000+ peer-reviewed papers, how many claim that anthropogenic increases in CO2 are the primary reason for global warming? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #41 March 12, 2007 I think you are spouting BS, but not intentionally. And no, I will not attempt to prove that what you are saying is wrong. You need to prove that what you are saying is right. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,114 #42 March 12, 2007 >Of those 10,000+ peer-reviewed papers, how many claim that >anthropogenic increases in CO2 are the primary reason for global warming? I haven't read them all! But if they follow the same pattern that a study of 928 such papers did, then the breakdown would be like this: 75% - explicit endorsement of the anthropogenic warming position evaluation of impacts from said warming mitigation proposals to deal with said warming (reduction of emissions, sequestration etc) 25% - methods of measurement (without explicit/implicit endorsement) paleoclimate analysis (again without specific endorsement) 0% - rejection of the anthropogenic warming position Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #43 March 12, 2007 Agreed: CO2 IS a greenhouse gas. Humans ARE adding CO2 to the atmosphere. The climate MAY be on a warming trend, but not everywhere. The rest is political crap. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #44 March 12, 2007 You forgot to use the word "anthropogenic" in your post. Could you please go back and edit it? alternatively, you could use the word "collinearity" or just throw some latin in there THANKS ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #45 March 12, 2007 Quote>Of those 10,000+ peer-reviewed papers, how many claim that >anthropogenic increases in CO2 are the primary reason for global warming? I haven't read them all! But if they follow the same pattern that a study of 928 such papers did, then the breakdown would be like this: 75% - explicit endorsement of the anthropogenic warming position evaluation of impacts from said warming mitigation proposals to deal with said warming (reduction of emissions, sequestration etc) 25% - methods of measurement (without explicit/implicit endorsement) paleoclimate analysis (again without specific endorsement) 0% - rejection of the anthropogenic warming position Of those 928 papers only 13 abstracts (less than 2%) explicitly endorsed what the author called the 'consensus view', regarding anthropogenic causes. I'm sold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #46 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteProve that the overwhelming majority of scientists don't believe that global warming is happening. I am not going to waste my time citing sources. You will simply call the source a crock of shit and go on believing the way you choose. Are you talking about simple climate change, which I doubt anyone refutes, or anthropogenic global warming? I love it. You can call it whatever you want, but there is a scientific consensus that global warming is happening. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #47 March 12, 2007 Majority is not the same as consensus. Just because you don't like the fact that a number of otherwise well-respect climate experts are speaking out against anthroponenic global warming, doesn't mean they aren't out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #48 March 12, 2007 QuoteOf those 10,000+ peer-reviewed papers, how many claim that anthropogenic increases in CO2 are the primary reason for global warming? Yeah! And while you're compiling those stats, how many of those studies have an odd number of words? How many of the authors call their mother at least once a week? How many have voted democrat? How many smoked marijuana in college? How many have hired undocumented aliens to babysit? HUH??? HOW MANY?!?!? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #49 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteOf those 10,000+ peer-reviewed papers, how many claim that anthropogenic increases in CO2 are the primary reason for global warming? Yeah! And while you're compiling those stats, how many of those studies have an odd number of words? How many of the authors call their mother at least once a week? How many have voted democrat? How many smoked marijuana in college? How many have hired undocumented aliens to babysit? HUH??? HOW MANY?!?!? Hey Ankle-biter. Where've you been? We've missed your petty pedantic sniping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #50 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuote>"The majority" opinion. What pure bs. Number of peer-reviewed papers discussing anthropogenic climate change in the past 15 years - over 10,000 Number of peer-reviewed papers taking one of two denier positions (that the climate isn't changing significantly, or that anthropogenic increases in CO2 have nothing to do with warming) - 7 Percentage that agree - 99.93% Holy shit - I thought I was just spouting BS, but it looks like I was right - at least sort of. Actually that number should be higher if the question is "how many scientists". How many coauthors are there on those papers? I am assuming of course that the coauthors agreed with the findings expressed in their own papers. Then again, since I haven't personally read them, it is indeed possible that there are a few thousand coauthors on each of those seven papers which provide the alternative view Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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rushmc 23 #33 March 12, 2007 QuoteThe dishonesty here, really, is that there is some sort of conspiracy to hush up scientists that are at odds with the majority opinion. This -isn't- how science works. There simply -isn't- a "powerful alliance of politicians, scientists and environmentalists who have stifled all questioning about the true environmental impact of carbon dioxide emissions." The fact is, the opposite is true and it is members of the U.S. Administration that are trying to hush up their own experts that attempt to speak out. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/306820_bears09.html?source=mypi Once again "The majority" opinion. What pure bs."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #34 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThey get death threats from screwballs - the same type of people that bomb abortion clinics. They are shunned by scientists because 99% of scientist agree on global warming, and those who don't are morons. Hence, no funding for morons. Makes sense to me. Where do you get the 99% figure? Do you really believe it to be true? It's probably more like 99.9%. I believe it to be true, and it is true. The overwhelming majority of scientists agree that global warming is taking place. Keep making up numbers! also, where do you get the "overwhelming majority.." from? From Claude Allegre? Or is he one of those "morons" Zippo was talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #35 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThey get death threats from screwballs - the same type of people that bomb abortion clinics. They are shunned by scientists because 99% of scientist agree on global warming, and those who don't are morons. Hence, no funding for morons. Makes sense to me. Where do you get the 99% figure? Do you really believe it to be true? It's probably more like 99.9%. I believe it to be true, and it is true. The overwhelming majority of scientists agree that global warming is taking place. Keep making up numbers! also, where do you get the "overwhelming majority.." from? Prove that the overwhelming majority of scientists don't believe that global warming is happening. I am not going to waste my time citing sources. You will simply call the source a crock of shit and go on believing the way you choose. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #36 March 12, 2007 >"The majority" opinion. What pure bs. Number of peer-reviewed papers discussing anthropogenic climate change in the past 15 years - over 10,000 Number of peer-reviewed papers taking one of two denier positions (that the climate isn't changing significantly, or that anthropogenic increases in CO2 have nothing to do with warming) - 7 Percentage that agree - 99.93% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #37 March 12, 2007 Quote d) we _have_ made efforts to reduce CH4 emissions, and they have been effective. Increases in methane levels are slowing down. Not if it's released in a global fart the size of two countries. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4141348.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #38 March 12, 2007 Quote>"The majority" opinion. What pure bs. Number of peer-reviewed papers discussing anthropogenic climate change in the past 15 years - over 10,000 Number of peer-reviewed papers taking one of two denier positions (that the climate isn't changing significantly, or that anthropogenic increases in CO2 have nothing to do with warming) - 7 Percentage that agree - 99.93% Holy shit - I thought I was just spouting BS, but it looks like I was right - at least sort of. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #39 March 12, 2007 QuoteProve that the overwhelming majority of scientists don't believe that global warming is happening. I am not going to waste my time citing sources. You will simply call the source a crock of shit and go on believing the way you choose. Are you talking about simple climate change, which I doubt anyone refutes, or anthropogenic global warming? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #40 March 12, 2007 Quote>"The majority" opinion. What pure bs. Number of peer-reviewed papers discussing anthropogenic climate change in the past 15 years - over 10,000 Number of peer-reviewed papers taking one of two denier positions (that the climate isn't changing significantly, or that anthropogenic increases in CO2 have nothing to do with warming) - 7 Percentage that agree - 99.93% Of those 10,000+ peer-reviewed papers, how many claim that anthropogenic increases in CO2 are the primary reason for global warming? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #41 March 12, 2007 I think you are spouting BS, but not intentionally. And no, I will not attempt to prove that what you are saying is wrong. You need to prove that what you are saying is right. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #42 March 12, 2007 >Of those 10,000+ peer-reviewed papers, how many claim that >anthropogenic increases in CO2 are the primary reason for global warming? I haven't read them all! But if they follow the same pattern that a study of 928 such papers did, then the breakdown would be like this: 75% - explicit endorsement of the anthropogenic warming position evaluation of impacts from said warming mitigation proposals to deal with said warming (reduction of emissions, sequestration etc) 25% - methods of measurement (without explicit/implicit endorsement) paleoclimate analysis (again without specific endorsement) 0% - rejection of the anthropogenic warming position Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #43 March 12, 2007 Agreed: CO2 IS a greenhouse gas. Humans ARE adding CO2 to the atmosphere. The climate MAY be on a warming trend, but not everywhere. The rest is political crap. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 March 12, 2007 You forgot to use the word "anthropogenic" in your post. Could you please go back and edit it? alternatively, you could use the word "collinearity" or just throw some latin in there THANKS ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #45 March 12, 2007 Quote>Of those 10,000+ peer-reviewed papers, how many claim that >anthropogenic increases in CO2 are the primary reason for global warming? I haven't read them all! But if they follow the same pattern that a study of 928 such papers did, then the breakdown would be like this: 75% - explicit endorsement of the anthropogenic warming position evaluation of impacts from said warming mitigation proposals to deal with said warming (reduction of emissions, sequestration etc) 25% - methods of measurement (without explicit/implicit endorsement) paleoclimate analysis (again without specific endorsement) 0% - rejection of the anthropogenic warming position Of those 928 papers only 13 abstracts (less than 2%) explicitly endorsed what the author called the 'consensus view', regarding anthropogenic causes. I'm sold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #46 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteProve that the overwhelming majority of scientists don't believe that global warming is happening. I am not going to waste my time citing sources. You will simply call the source a crock of shit and go on believing the way you choose. Are you talking about simple climate change, which I doubt anyone refutes, or anthropogenic global warming? I love it. You can call it whatever you want, but there is a scientific consensus that global warming is happening. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #47 March 12, 2007 Majority is not the same as consensus. Just because you don't like the fact that a number of otherwise well-respect climate experts are speaking out against anthroponenic global warming, doesn't mean they aren't out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #48 March 12, 2007 QuoteOf those 10,000+ peer-reviewed papers, how many claim that anthropogenic increases in CO2 are the primary reason for global warming? Yeah! And while you're compiling those stats, how many of those studies have an odd number of words? How many of the authors call their mother at least once a week? How many have voted democrat? How many smoked marijuana in college? How many have hired undocumented aliens to babysit? HUH??? HOW MANY?!?!? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #49 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteOf those 10,000+ peer-reviewed papers, how many claim that anthropogenic increases in CO2 are the primary reason for global warming? Yeah! And while you're compiling those stats, how many of those studies have an odd number of words? How many of the authors call their mother at least once a week? How many have voted democrat? How many smoked marijuana in college? How many have hired undocumented aliens to babysit? HUH??? HOW MANY?!?!? Hey Ankle-biter. Where've you been? We've missed your petty pedantic sniping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #50 March 12, 2007 QuoteQuote>"The majority" opinion. What pure bs. Number of peer-reviewed papers discussing anthropogenic climate change in the past 15 years - over 10,000 Number of peer-reviewed papers taking one of two denier positions (that the climate isn't changing significantly, or that anthropogenic increases in CO2 have nothing to do with warming) - 7 Percentage that agree - 99.93% Holy shit - I thought I was just spouting BS, but it looks like I was right - at least sort of. Actually that number should be higher if the question is "how many scientists". How many coauthors are there on those papers? I am assuming of course that the coauthors agreed with the findings expressed in their own papers. Then again, since I haven't personally read them, it is indeed possible that there are a few thousand coauthors on each of those seven papers which provide the alternative view Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
