DaVinci 0 #26 March 9, 2007 QuoteThe thing is, I never shot a DA with a trigger as good as a DA/SA. That long trigger pull on every shot stinks. For self defense that should not be an issue. EASE of use should be the issue. Safetys require training and practice to remove. When the stress level is up, and you need it now, I would rather have a DA only revolver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #27 March 9, 2007 DA/SA only!! geez DA Only STINKS!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #28 March 9, 2007 QuoteSafetys require training and practice to remove.. True - which is why I practice drawing and removing the safety in one motion. Also, if the bad guy gets my gun from me somehow, his lack of familiarity with the safety might provide a few extra seconds to escape. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #29 March 9, 2007 If you lived where you need a jacket all the time you could carry an AR15 SBR with select fire control and suppressor, you can even thrown in a Beta MAG in a sissy looking fanny pack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #30 March 9, 2007 QuoteQuote I like a weapon without any safety that needs to be manipulated. (Sig, Glock etc.) The thing is, I never shot a DA with a trigger as good as a DA/SA. That long trigger pull on every shot stinks. . Not sure what your saying. By starting with "the thing is" I take is as you disagree with Warped based on your preference of triggers? But Warped was also talking about Decocking levers which would lend itself to DA/SA. Why would a DAO gun have a decocking lever? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #31 March 9, 2007 Oldie but goodie: Colt Mustang .380 A miniature model 1911 .45. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #32 March 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I like a weapon without any safety that needs to be manipulated. (Sig, Glock etc.) The thing is, I never shot a DA with a trigger as good as a DA/SA. That long trigger pull on every shot stinks. . Not sure what your saying. By starting with "the thing is" I take is as you disagree with Warped based on your preference of triggers? But Warped was also talking about Decocking levers which would lend itself to DA/SA. Why would a DAO gun have a decocking lever? I agree. I must have missed something along the way - My Mak has a decocking safety.... I rarely use it though. Watching the hammer slam down with a round in the chamber is unnerving! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #33 March 9, 2007 All this talk of firearms had got me sitting here cleaning my already clean Sig 226. I am sitting at home recovering from a surgery yesterday with nothing better to do. Little jittery on the Vicoden though. Drugs and guns don't mix! That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #34 March 9, 2007 QuoteKel-Tec .380 small enough to hide in you hand. Get the hottest ammo you can find. If you need it screw it in their ear and pull the trigger. A 45 is much more effective but not always practical. Oh yeh practice with it every now and then. I took a look at a Kel-Tec P3AT .380 earlier today that I think I'm going to go with. I've got a .40 that I'll have most of the time, I just want a nice pocket gun for when the .40 isn't an option. I know it's not the most powerful caliber to go with, but it's better than nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #35 March 9, 2007 QuoteQuote I like a weapon without any safety that needs to be manipulated. (Sig, Glock etc.) The thing is, I never shot a DA with a trigger as good as a DA/SA. That long trigger pull on every shot stinks. You can pull the hammer back on the sigs if you want (and have time) to make the first shot SA. Can't speak to the glocks - haven't seen one in my hand in a long time. While you can get a DAO only sig, most don't. Isn't that preferred by LEO? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #36 March 9, 2007 QuoteYou can pull the hammer back on the sigs if you want (and have time) to make the first shot SA. Can't speak to the glocks - haven't seen one in my hand in a long time. No hammer to pull back on the Glock QuoteWhile you can get a DAO only sig, most don't. Isn't that preferred by LEO? Sig came out with the DAK(it's a DAO) a couple of years ago that is very nice. I think most LEO are going to it. Consistant pull every shot. It is much nice than the old DAO trigger. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #37 March 9, 2007 Small: Seecamp .380 Middle: Kahr MK?40 Next: Glock 27 (.40) -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #38 March 9, 2007 QuoteKel-tec p40 Not a good recommendation, apparently. I was considering one for a while but came upon many similar web sites. http://www.packing.org/oldnews/article/?article=7236----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #39 March 10, 2007 QuoteTrue - which is why I practice drawing and removing the safety in one motion. While training is great....KISS is better Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loco.cerveza 0 #40 March 10, 2007 WHen I carry I carry a 3 inch BBL Ruger Vaquiro in .45 Long Colt. .380 is o.k. if you know what you are doing, but I like to have a bullet that have a little more bite to it. One thing to remember is carring is that it is not the size of the weapon but in fact it is the placement of the bullet. The smaller the weapon the better shot under stress you have to be.Remember that expectant life span is an average, and most people are below average --Garrison Keillor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #41 March 10, 2007 Small: Seecamp .380 A bit larger but the same weight (about) is an air-weight SW .38 with a laser grip. Silhouette accurate to 150 feet easy, small and light enough not to be a bother. For comparison: http://www.ballistics-experts.com/Law%20Enforcement/Back-up%20guns/Back-up%20guns.htm http://www.ballistics-experts.com/Law%20Enforcement/Back-up%20guns/Tab%202.htm ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 March 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteKel-tec p40 Not a good recommendation, apparently. I was considering one for a while but came upon many similar web sites. http://www.packing.org/oldnews/article/?article=7236 I appreciate the info - I was thinking of commonality in caliber, for the OPMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jarrodh 0 #43 March 10, 2007 QuoteI've got a SA XD40 sub, but it's still a bit big for some situations, so I'm looking for something a bit smaller in either .32 or .380, leaning towards .380. Any of you gun people have any recommendations for something that's reliable and not too expensive? You dont need a gun. According to a lot of the posters on these forums a knife or a bat is equally as deadly, just get one of those. They're a lot less expensive too.2 BITS....4 BITS....6 BITS....A DOLLAR!....ALL FOR THE GATORS....STAND UP AND HOLLER!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #44 March 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe thing is, I never shot a DA with a trigger as good as a DA/SA. That long trigger pull on every shot stinks. For self defense that should not be an issue. EASE of use should be the issue. Safetys require training and practice to remove. When the stress level is up, and you need it now, I would rather have a DA only revolver. A very good point. If you want a good glimpse into stress firing, aka combat, drop down and do as many pushups as you can, sprint about 100 yards or so, and then try your draw and manipulation. Most people don't realize just how much your fine motor skills are affected by stress. I'm not saying you have to go with a glock or other "no safety" gun, but you should be aware of how you will handle the gun under stress, not just how it feels going slowly on a static firing line at your local range. I do prefer "extended" controls for most handguns, just because I know how hard it is to deal with tiny things when the heat is on. I carry a DA/SA full size because they tell me to, but I carry a Glock or DA revolver when it's my choice.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #45 March 11, 2007 Fuck the SA XD40 - I'd always recommend a 2lb lump hammer 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #46 March 11, 2007 QuoteA very good point. If you want a good glimpse into stress firing, aka combat, drop down and do as many pushups as you can, sprint about 100 yards or so, and then try your draw and manipulation. Most people don't realize just how much your fine motor skills are affected by stress. We used to do this in the military all the time. Amazing the difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #47 March 11, 2007 QuoteYou dont need a gun. According to a lot of the posters on these forums a knife or a bat is equally as deadly, just get one of those. They're a lot less expensive too. This post just goes to show how little you know and do not care to learn. I find it very funny that you have claimed to not know about guns, but think make comments about how bad they are. I would rather face an idiot with a gun, than an expert with a knife anyday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #48 March 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteA very good point. If you want a good glimpse into stress firing, aka combat, drop down and do as many pushups as you can, sprint about 100 yards or so, and then try your draw and manipulation. Most people don't realize just how much your fine motor skills are affected by stress. We used to do this in the military all the time. Amazing the difference. A firearms instructor friend had me try something I'd never heard of... Stand back on the 20 yard line and walk up to the 7 yard line while firing 'aimed' volleys. VERY humbling ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #49 March 11, 2007 QuoteOldie but goodie: Colt Mustang .380 A miniature model 1911 .45. I would love to agree... cuz a cute minature model 1911 is just ... cute, BUT that's aboout all you'll get. Design errors (wrong type of material, heat treating issues) Quality control... Kahr 9 is a good option if you're not commited to carrying a real gun. *Disclaimer - When it comes to small and concealable, I am not trying to encourage the illegal carrying of firearms. And if you're legally carrying and concerned that you might actually need it to save your life - AMMO is the big issue (capacity) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #50 March 11, 2007 The lady speaks wisdom. Too many folks only carry what's in their gun because they hear about how most encounters only involve two or three rounds before they're over. Well, if you only want to carry for the "most times," then just go ahead and carry an empty gun, becuase most times a gun is presented in anger, it's never even fired. Or even better, if you only want to be prepared for the "most times" situations, don't bother carrying, because most days you won't need it. Do we all see the peoblem in the "most times" mindset now? If you're going to carry, you should cary enough to reload at least one full time. (e.g. a speed loader or enough on a strip to refill a cylinder, or at least one spare magazine)witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
