willard 0 #151 March 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteEvidently some people feel if a statement is made in Latin then it must be true and unquestionable. I find it pretentious, but that's just me. . It's the STANDARD NAME for that particular logical fallacy. No more pretentious than using ad hoc Standard where? Forgive me if I question the use since I have never seen or heard the term before. I find it ironic that it is used to describe what you called a "logical" fallacy when "post hoc ergo propter hoc" takes 25 key strokes and "false cause" only takes 11 to say the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #152 March 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteEvidently some people feel if a statement is made in Latin then it must be true and unquestionable. I find it pretentious, but that's just me. . It's the STANDARD NAME for that particular logical fallacy. No more pretentious than using ad hoc Standard where? Forgive me if I question the use since I have never seen or heard the term before. I find it ironic that it is used to describe what you called a "logical" fallacy when "post hoc ergo propter hoc" takes 25 key strokes and "false cause" only takes 11 to say the same thing. Your ignorance is not reason to insult me. It does not translate as "false cause". It is the name of episode #102 of West Wing. It can be found in any list of logical fallacies, such as this, and google brings up a whole lot of hits.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #153 March 11, 2007 >Your ignorance is not reason to insult me. Both of you cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #154 March 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEvidently some people feel if a statement is made in Latin then it must be true and unquestionable. I find it pretentious, but that's just me. . It's the STANDARD NAME for that particular logical fallacy. No more pretentious than using ad hoc Standard where? Forgive me if I question the use since I have never seen or heard the term before. I find it ironic that it is used to describe what you called a "logical" fallacy when "post hoc ergo propter hoc" takes 25 key strokes and "false cause" only takes 11 to say the same thing. Your ignorance is not reason to insult me. It does not translate as "false cause". It is the name of episode #102 of West Wing. It can be found in any list of logical fallacies, such as this, and google brings up a whole lot of hits. Where in this thread did I insult you? My not being familiar with a latin phrase used as the title of an episode of a tv show that I have never watched a single minute of is no reason for you to call me ignorant. The only reason you might have felt insulted is if you do think all statements made in Latin are true and unquestionable. My statement was one of how I feel about the practice, not of any one person in particular. "Nevedomost is odesly dle instruktaz" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #155 March 11, 2007 QuoteMy statement was one of how I feel about the practice, not of any one person in particular. Let me get this straight: your comments about using latin phrases had nothing to do with the specific use of a latin phrase in the post you were referring to. Right? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #156 March 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteMy statement was one of how I feel about the practice, not of any one person in particular. Let me get this straight: your comments about using latin phrases had nothing to do with the specific use of a latin phrase in the post you were referring to. Right? Wrong. "My statement was one of how I feel about the practice, not of any one person in particular." What part would you like me to clarify? Edit to add- My father chews tobacco. I find the practice of chewing tobacco discusting, but that doesn't neccessarily mean I think my father is a disgusting person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #157 March 11, 2007 QuoteWrong. "My statement was one of how I feel about the practice, not of any one person in particular." What part would you like me to clarify? Nothing since I actually just don't believe your statement. But I'd like you to clarify something about its context. If Kallend's specific use of latin has no connection to your spontaneous belittling of people who use latin, then what exactly DID trigger it? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #158 March 11, 2007 I was separating the practice from the people. I edited my last post to clarify. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #159 March 11, 2007 QuoteI was separating the practice from the people. I edited my last post to clarify. Well, in that case, res ipsa loquitur. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #160 March 11, 2007 Res ipsa loquitur, sed quid in infernos dicet?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #161 March 11, 2007 QuoteRes ipsa loquitur, sed quid in infernos dicet? Semper ube sub ube.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #162 March 12, 2007 That may have been the worst digression ever in the history of Speaker's Corner. Keep it up. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #163 March 12, 2007 That may have been the worst digression ever in the history of Speaker's Corner. Keep it up. Quote Yeah what he saidHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #164 March 12, 2007 QuoteThat may have been the worst digression ever in the history of Speaker's Corner. Keep it up. Quote Yeah what he said Et tu, GQutus? That post was collinear to mine. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #165 March 13, 2007 Et tu, GQutus? Quote See I told ya I spoke foreign languages, and to answer that question, no, I'm not wearing any underwearHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #166 March 13, 2007 local news story A story with some good news in it. QuoteThe first time 85-year-old Canale saw the man, he was standing over her bed. "He said, 'Get up. You've got to get me the money.' He was in a hurry," Canale said. "I couldn't believe that he was after me. What money was he talking about?" What followed was a terrifying 15 minutes that ended with Canale on her stomach, bleeding from blows to the head, as the man and an accomplice waiting outside drove into the night in her car. QuoteArmed with a "BB pistol and a tire iron," Irons and Apergis broke into the home of Jimmy Norman, 74, and his wife, Martha Norman, 67, about 11 p.m., according to a Clewiston police report. The Normans fought back. Jimmy Norman was able to get away long enough to get a gun. He fired two shots, hitting Irons in the chest with both, according to the report. Two to the chest. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. QuoteIt was the end of a brief but violent crime spree that began Saturday morning with a home invasion in Manatee County and appears to have targeted older people, investigators said. His first victim that morning was 92. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 2fat2fly 0 #167 March 14, 2007 Quote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologizeI am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #168 March 14, 2007 QuoteQuote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologize no need. a very reasonable explanation, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #169 March 14, 2007 QuoteQuote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologize My own experience is that it's almost arbitrary, depending on the particular DA's office doing the charging. Seriously. I've seen plenty of aggravated assualt cases in which I thought the attempted murder charge was improperly piled on by the DA, and I've seen plenty of brutal assault cases in which the victim came within a whisker of death, where all that was charged was aggravated assault. Almost always in assault cases, by the time the initial charges are made, you've pretty much got probable cause for everything that's going to be charged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 7 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
rehmwa 2 #164 March 12, 2007 QuoteThat may have been the worst digression ever in the history of Speaker's Corner. Keep it up. Quote Yeah what he said Et tu, GQutus? That post was collinear to mine. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #165 March 13, 2007 Et tu, GQutus? Quote See I told ya I spoke foreign languages, and to answer that question, no, I'm not wearing any underwearHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #166 March 13, 2007 local news story A story with some good news in it. QuoteThe first time 85-year-old Canale saw the man, he was standing over her bed. "He said, 'Get up. You've got to get me the money.' He was in a hurry," Canale said. "I couldn't believe that he was after me. What money was he talking about?" What followed was a terrifying 15 minutes that ended with Canale on her stomach, bleeding from blows to the head, as the man and an accomplice waiting outside drove into the night in her car. QuoteArmed with a "BB pistol and a tire iron," Irons and Apergis broke into the home of Jimmy Norman, 74, and his wife, Martha Norman, 67, about 11 p.m., according to a Clewiston police report. The Normans fought back. Jimmy Norman was able to get away long enough to get a gun. He fired two shots, hitting Irons in the chest with both, according to the report. Two to the chest. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. QuoteIt was the end of a brief but violent crime spree that began Saturday morning with a home invasion in Manatee County and appears to have targeted older people, investigators said. His first victim that morning was 92. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 2fat2fly 0 #167 March 14, 2007 Quote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologizeI am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #168 March 14, 2007 QuoteQuote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologize no need. a very reasonable explanation, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #169 March 14, 2007 QuoteQuote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologize My own experience is that it's almost arbitrary, depending on the particular DA's office doing the charging. Seriously. I've seen plenty of aggravated assualt cases in which I thought the attempted murder charge was improperly piled on by the DA, and I've seen plenty of brutal assault cases in which the victim came within a whisker of death, where all that was charged was aggravated assault. Almost always in assault cases, by the time the initial charges are made, you've pretty much got probable cause for everything that's going to be charged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 7 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
GQ_jumper 4 #165 March 13, 2007 Et tu, GQutus? Quote See I told ya I spoke foreign languages, and to answer that question, no, I'm not wearing any underwearHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #166 March 13, 2007 local news story A story with some good news in it. QuoteThe first time 85-year-old Canale saw the man, he was standing over her bed. "He said, 'Get up. You've got to get me the money.' He was in a hurry," Canale said. "I couldn't believe that he was after me. What money was he talking about?" What followed was a terrifying 15 minutes that ended with Canale on her stomach, bleeding from blows to the head, as the man and an accomplice waiting outside drove into the night in her car. QuoteArmed with a "BB pistol and a tire iron," Irons and Apergis broke into the home of Jimmy Norman, 74, and his wife, Martha Norman, 67, about 11 p.m., according to a Clewiston police report. The Normans fought back. Jimmy Norman was able to get away long enough to get a gun. He fired two shots, hitting Irons in the chest with both, according to the report. Two to the chest. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. QuoteIt was the end of a brief but violent crime spree that began Saturday morning with a home invasion in Manatee County and appears to have targeted older people, investigators said. His first victim that morning was 92. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 2fat2fly 0 #167 March 14, 2007 Quote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologizeI am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #168 March 14, 2007 QuoteQuote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologize no need. a very reasonable explanation, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #169 March 14, 2007 QuoteQuote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologize My own experience is that it's almost arbitrary, depending on the particular DA's office doing the charging. Seriously. I've seen plenty of aggravated assualt cases in which I thought the attempted murder charge was improperly piled on by the DA, and I've seen plenty of brutal assault cases in which the victim came within a whisker of death, where all that was charged was aggravated assault. Almost always in assault cases, by the time the initial charges are made, you've pretty much got probable cause for everything that's going to be charged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 7 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
happythoughts 0 #166 March 13, 2007 local news story A story with some good news in it. QuoteThe first time 85-year-old Canale saw the man, he was standing over her bed. "He said, 'Get up. You've got to get me the money.' He was in a hurry," Canale said. "I couldn't believe that he was after me. What money was he talking about?" What followed was a terrifying 15 minutes that ended with Canale on her stomach, bleeding from blows to the head, as the man and an accomplice waiting outside drove into the night in her car. QuoteArmed with a "BB pistol and a tire iron," Irons and Apergis broke into the home of Jimmy Norman, 74, and his wife, Martha Norman, 67, about 11 p.m., according to a Clewiston police report. The Normans fought back. Jimmy Norman was able to get away long enough to get a gun. He fired two shots, hitting Irons in the chest with both, according to the report. Two to the chest. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. QuoteIt was the end of a brief but violent crime spree that began Saturday morning with a home invasion in Manatee County and appears to have targeted older people, investigators said. His first victim that morning was 92. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2fat2fly 0 #167 March 14, 2007 Quote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologizeI am not the man. But the man knows my name...and he's worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #168 March 14, 2007 QuoteQuote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologize no need. a very reasonable explanation, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #169 March 14, 2007 QuoteQuote So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder. My guess is that assault is a quick and easily indictable charge they used to hold him while the attempted murder case is built-this may have already been answered, if so-I apologize My own experience is that it's almost arbitrary, depending on the particular DA's office doing the charging. Seriously. I've seen plenty of aggravated assualt cases in which I thought the attempted murder charge was improperly piled on by the DA, and I've seen plenty of brutal assault cases in which the victim came within a whisker of death, where all that was charged was aggravated assault. Almost always in assault cases, by the time the initial charges are made, you've pretty much got probable cause for everything that's going to be charged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
