Gun saves a life

[DaVinci 0]

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Where do you people get this information???

Well, GQ is an SF guy. And anyone with the discovery channel can watch a special. Several prisons have exibits (such as Alcatraz).

Do you have information that contradicts his statement?

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Ive always thought that when the day comes where I see someone getting attacked or am being attacked myself, I will man up and kick some fucking ass.

If I was in that parking lot I would have destroyed that guy. If it means geting into a drunken brawl at a bar or party then I will usually take who I am with and just walk away but when it comes to saving that womans life I would have found something to hit that guy in the face with.

The day will eventually come where I see someone gettng beat up and Im gonna need to step in, and im mentally prepared to throw down. I have no doubt.

Now, if it were a family member being attacked I would pass the threshold of simply kicking ass and move into the realm of taking the attackers life, no doubt. My cousin Brooke was molested at an Arcade once. My whole family was there but I decided not to go out with them that night. If I was there and saw what happened (she was grabbed in broad daylight) I would have beaten that guy to death with my barehands.

Its a shame no one came to this ladies aid sooner.

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[GQ_jumper 4]

You'd be amazed at what happens when you see a person(especially someone you care about) getting attacked. The few fights I've gotten into in recent years(not counting anything job-related) I didn't even realize I was throwing down, it just happened.

My favorite story happened when I was 19, we were having a battalion sports day and one of the events was king of the ring. 10 against 10 from two different platoons and you have to throw someone outside of the circle of sand bags to get them eliminated, as soon as it started a group of guys all ganged up on me because I was one of the bigger ones on my team so I was out pretty quick. While I was watching from the sidelines one of my buddies was on his back with a guy in his guard, someone else came up and tried to unwrap my buddies legs to drag him out, my friend started kicking his leg to free it. This guy would never fight dirty so when the other guy got kicked in the face it was on accident, but he decided to punch my friend while he was pinned on his back and before I even realized what was going on I had cleared the 10+ feet between me and that guy and was laying him out to protect my buddy. Of course as soon as I dragged my friend to his feet we realized we had gotten ourselves in a bad situation because there were the two of us, about 4 other guys from my platoon behind me and 2 scouts that we were in tight with. The other side had a full rifle platoon(30+), when it was finally broken up none of my guys had a scratch, we of course were eliminated for throwing the first punch but the CO thought it was so cool that we'd go against the odds to protect one of our own like that he decided to give us a 3 day weekend
Moral of the story, don't play king of the ring when you're outnumbered, or......never underestimate yourself when it comes to lookin out for someone you care about, one of the two

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
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Yup...dial 911 and die...

Sounds like "911" and the meaning behind it is not working that well, right.... ?

To be fair, in general, it works well. The improved reponse times HAVE saved lives.

The downside is that no telephone call (911) or piece of paper (restraining order) is going to stop someone intent to do harm.

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[DaVinci 0]

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Ive always thought that when the day comes where I see someone getting attacked or am being attacked myself, I will man up and kick some fucking ass.

Ever actually done it? Thinking you will and doing it are way different. Not trying to make any slam at you. But thinking you will and doing it are *very* different.

I'll give you an example. I was in a King Air one day and a guy did a solo Freefly exit. I had always thought that if a guy got knocked out I would be able to swoop in and save him. I saw, heard, and felt this guy hit the tail. I sat there looking stupid. My best laid plans went to shit when it actually happend to me.

The point is that a good number of folks like to think they will do the right thing, but very few can actually have the presence of mind to actually do it.

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Now, if it were a family member being attacked I would pass the threshold of simply kicking ass and move into the realm of taking the attackers life, no doubt. My cousin Brooke was molested at an Arcade once. My whole family was there but I decided not to go out with them that night. If I was there and saw what happened (she was grabbed in broad daylight) I would have beaten that guy to death with my barehands.

Again ever actually done it?

I have taken martial arts of various types for years and taught one form for years.....My Sister was attacked once. I did not think twice about hitting the guy....People often fight for the ones they love. But once a guy walked up and hit me in the face. To this day I have no idea why. I was so shocked that I laughed at him. Now in my mind I was laughing because I had no idea why he hit me. Luckily for me he must have thought I was crazy and was about to kill him. He looked shocked that I didn't fall and when I laughed he got really afraid and ran, I saw the fear in his eyes.

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The day will eventually come where I see someone gettng beat up and Im gonna need to step in, and im mentally prepared to throw down. I have no doubt.

I am betting that at least ONE person in that group of bystanders thought the exact same thing....Yet did nothing. Unless you have been in that situation you have no idea how you will react...You only have the dream of what you think you would do.

The guy that had the gun might not have done anything either if he did not have the gun. The gun allowed him to stop a violent act. He was prepared and did the right thing. He did not even shoot the guy.

So, this is a text book example of why I support the right to carry. A violent act was stopped, and no one died. If he was not there, or not armed, the outcome could have been very different.

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If I was there and saw what happened (she was grabbed in broad daylight) I would have beaten that guy to death with my barehands.

Its a shame no one came to this ladies aid sooner.

Someone did come to her aid. It's a shame no one else did.

For all the macho posturing in your note, you might consider being 'mentally prepared' to stop an attacker and still maintain control enough to stop when you win. Any kind of rage/tantrum response beyond that will just make you a criminal and despicable.

Your note was pretty sad, even for a kid with normal kid hangups.

A real warrior accomplishes his intent with the least amount of violence.

Also, if you are mentally prepared BUT counting on "losing it" to act instead of skills and control, you probably won't act (only hardcore training makes that possible to act without thinking - it's not a manly thing, it's a training thing).

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[GQ_jumper 4]

it's not a manly thing, it's a training thing).

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Bingo, training becomes instinct when you do it long enough, but the thousands of repititions it takes something to become intinct is unbelievable.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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thats because to many people that have steped in to help usualy endup cufed and charged with somethign. The eaven if they get off the cost and agravation is huge.

SO this one time at band camp.....

"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."

[jarrodh 0]

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Ive always thought that when the day comes where I see someone getting attacked or am being attacked myself, I will man up and kick some fucking ass.

Ever actually done it? Thinking you will and doing it are way different. Not trying to make any slam at you. But thinking you will and doing it are *very* different.

I'll give you an example. I was in a King Air one day and a guy did a solo Freefly exit. I had always thought that if a guy got knocked out I would be able to swoop in and save him. I saw, heard, and felt this guy hit the tail. I sat there looking stupid. My best laid plans went to shit when it actually happend to me.

The point is that a good number of folks like to think they will do the right thing, but very few can actually have the presence of mind to actually do it.

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Now, if it were a family member being attacked I would pass the threshold of simply kicking ass and move into the realm of taking the attackers life, no doubt. My cousin Brooke was molested at an Arcade once. My whole family was there but I decided not to go out with them that night. If I was there and saw what happened (she was grabbed in broad daylight) I would have beaten that guy to death with my barehands.

Again ever actually done it?

I have taken martial arts of various types for years and taught one form for years.....My Sister was attacked once. I did not think twice about hitting the guy....People often fight for the ones they love. But once a guy walked up and hit me in the face. To this day I have no idea why. I was so shocked that I laughed at him. Now in my mind I was laughing because I had no idea why he hit me. Luckily for me he must have thought I was crazy and was about to kill him. He looked shocked that I didn't fall and when I laughed he got really afraid and ran, I saw the fear in his eyes.

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The day will eventually come where I see someone gettng beat up and Im gonna need to step in, and im mentally prepared to throw down. I have no doubt.

I am betting that at least ONE person in that group of bystanders thought the exact same thing....Yet did nothing. Unless you have been in that situation you have no idea how you will react...You only have the dream of what you think you would do.

The guy that had the gun might not have done anything either if he did not have the gun. The gun allowed him to stop a violent act. He was prepared and did the right thing. He did not even shoot the guy.

So, this is a text book example of why I support the right to carry. A violent act was stopped, and no one died. If he was not there, or not armed, the outcome could have been very different.

Good Points, you are correct. I havent had to step in and save anyone to this date but I have been in fights before and I "THINK" I will be ready when that day comes. Those people who stood around and did nothing probably thought the same thing though, so who the hell knows what will happen when that time comes...

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Yup...dial 911 and die...

Sounds like "911" and the meaning behind it is not working that well, right.... ?

If some one broke into your house while you are in it and you had no weapon with you and you just called the police. Do you think the police would get there quick enough to keep the guy from shooting you?

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Whatver dude....

I KNOW if it is a family member im gonna destroy that person. I KNOW this for a fact.

When it comes to strangers like I said before I THINK I would be willing to step in but in the heat of the moment who the hell knows.

I dont understand why my note was "sad". What was "sad" about it? I stated what I feel is the truth but what some of you, for good reason, have doubted.

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it's not a manly thing, it's a training thing).

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Bingo, training becomes instinct when you do it long enough,

sure, but the real benefit is merely the will to act, the rest is just skills training

but my post is about the surprising commonality of people talking about how they'd lose control in a similar situation and they act proud of it, or like it's a burden to their conscience.

Here, three scenarios:

1 - (Means well, no control) Young Ed is walking along and see's a girl being attacked by a guy with a knife. Her forearms are getting pretty cut up. His eyes dilate, blood pumps faster, his vision gets a bit wavy, his breath increases. He loses control in outrage and throws himself headlong at the guy. He gets cut up pretty bad, and accidently hits the girl in the head with his knee during his tackle of the assailant. He doesn't really remember any of it before he some passerbys are pulling him off off of the assailant - he was literally choking the guy to death. Another passerby sits on the assailant until the cops come and make the arrest. The girl is ok, but cut up and she has a huge bruise on the side of her face. She's still grateful. Ed prepares for the civil suit from both the assailant and, eventually, the girl. He wonders what really happened. He should have run away once the assailant was down, now he has to deal with the aftermath.

2 - (Trained, maybe ex military) - Young Ed is walking along and see's a girl being attacked by a guy with a knife. Her forearms are getting pretty cut up. His eyes dilate, blood pumps faster, his vision dials in, his breathing slows and he starts taking deeper breaths as he assesses the problem simultaneously moving in and to the side of the assailant. He disarms the guys fairly quickly, he still gets cut, but he expects it and doesn't get anything serious. The guy is on the ground, gasping from the cheap and efficient shots to the neck and the groin he received once the knife was thrown aside. Another passerby sits on the assailant until the cops come and make the arrest. The girl is ok, but cut up. Ed takes her to the side and gives first aid. She's grateful. The assailant won't have any permanent injuries, he'll make the court date. It'll really hurt to swallow for a couple days. Ed goes to work after giving a clear statement to the cops.

3 - (not trained, but thinking) Young Ed is walking along and see's a girl being attacked by a guy with a knife. Her forearms are getting pretty cut up. His eyes dilate, blood pumps faster, his vision gets a bit wavy, his breath increases. He gets control of himself and acts pretty quickly. He runs in and tackles the guy away from her. Rolling away from the guy immediately, he gets up, notes the cut on his arm and gets between the guy and the girl. They stand and stare at each other, the assailant wasn't expecting to confront someone prepared for him. Passerbys see someone act and remember they always promised themselves they'd act. A little embarassed they didn't at first, they also come and stand with Ed. Now the assailant sees a group of protectors. He runs. The cops have 10 descriptions to confirm the identity of the guy - who the girl knew. He's arrested a block away.

{{4 - (packing heat and VERY composed) Ed has his concealed gun - he tells the guy to get off the girl and stand still til the cops come. the cops come}}

They all three acted admirably, and did what they could. But who would you WANT to be here? Who should you PLAN to be here?

Who do you admire the most?
Who do you admire the least?

Who would you REALLY want as your wingman in a tough neighborhood?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rehmwa 2]

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Whatver dude....

I KNOW if it is a family member im gonna destroy that person. I KNOW this for a fact.

you got it, tough guy - no need for the justice system in your book, think of the tax savings we could realize by not having cops or judges or anything

seriously, there's nothing wrong with your response, but if you are able, you have better choices to mentally train and be prepared for

3 choices above - If you could choose (and we all can) - which guy would you really want to be? and which is just an excuse to lose control?

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it's not a manly thing, it's a training thing).

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Bingo, training becomes instinct when you do it long enough,

sure, but the real benefit is merely the will to act, the rest is just skills training

but my post is about the surprising commonality of people talking about how they'd lose control in a similar situation and they act proud of it, or like it's a burden to their conscience.

Here, three scenarios:

1 - (Means well, no control) Young Ed is walking along and see's a girl being attacked by a guy with a knife. Her forearms are getting pretty cut up. His eyes dilate, blood pumps faster, his vision gets a bit wavy, his breath increases. He loses control in outrage and throws himself headlong at the guy. He gets cut up pretty bad, and accidently hits the girl in the head with his knee during his tackle of the assailant. He doesn't really remember any of it before he some passerbys are pulling him off off of the assailant - he was literally choking the guy to death. Another passerby sits on the assailant until the cops come and make the arrest. The girl is ok, but cut up and she has a huge bruise on the side of her face. She's still grateful. Ed prepares for the civil suit from both the assailant and, eventually, the girl. He wonders what really happened. He should have run away once the assailant was down, now he has to deal with the aftermath.

2 - (Trained, maybe ex military) - Young Ed is walking along and see's a girl being attacked by a guy with a knife. Her forearms are getting pretty cut up. His eyes dilate, blood pumps faster, his vision dials in, his breathing slows and he starts taking deeper breaths as he assesses the problem simultaneously moving in and to the side of the assailant. He disarms the guys fairly quickly, he still gets cut, but he expects it and doesn't get anything serious. The guy is on the ground, gasping from the cheap and efficient shots to the neck and the groin he received once the knife was thrown aside. Another passerby sits on the assailant until the cops come and make the arrest. The girl is ok, but cut up. Ed takes her to the side and gives first aid. She's grateful. The assailant won't have any permanent injuries, he'll make the court date. It'll really hurt to swallow for a couple days. Ed goes to work after giving a clear statement to the cops.

3 - (not trained, but thinking) Young Ed is walking along and see's a girl being attacked by a guy with a knife. Her forearms are getting pretty cut up. His eyes dilate, blood pumps faster, his vision gets a bit wavy, his breath increases. He gets control of himself and acts pretty quickly. He runs in and tackles the guy away from her. Rolling away from the guy immediately, he gets up, notes the cut on his arm and gets between the guy and the girl. They stand and stare at each other, the assailant wasn't expecting to confront someone prepared for him. Passerbys see someone act and remember they always promised themselves they'd act. A little embarassed they didn't at first, they also come and stand with Ed. Now the assailant sees a group of protectors. He runs. The cops have 10 descriptions to confirm the identity of the guy - who the girl knew. He's arrested a block away.

{{4 - Ed has his concealed gun - he tells the guy to get off the girl and stand still til the cops come. the cops come}}

They all three acted admirably, and did what they could. But who would you WANT to be here? Who should you PLAN to be here?

Who do you admire the most?
Who do you admire the least?

Who would you REALLY want as your wingman in a tough neighborhood?

Admire most...Ed #3. Though he was unarmed and thinking rationaly he was still willing to step up and help someone by putting himself at risk.

Admire least...Ed #1. Reacted totally out of rage with no control. A very unpredictable person.

Best wingman....Ed #2. Has training, knows how to use it, how much to use, and probably also carries. Next best wingman is Ed #4.

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4 - Ed has his concealed gun - turns off safety, approaches guy from behind, fires single round into the back of the guys head, turns on safety, picks up spent cartridge, turns and walks away.

Fixed it for you.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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"Gun saves a life"


"Man bites dog"

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"Gun saves a life"


"Man bites dog"

If you have a small dog that is constantly biting you, pick the dog up and firmly bite the back of the dogs neck, this will teach the dog a valuable lesson. Not recommended with larger dogs.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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4 - Ed has his concealed gun - turns off safety, approaches guy from behind, fires single round into into the back of the guys head, turns on safety, picks up spent cartridge, turns and walks away.

Fixed it for you.

thanks, Tony. You always have better perspective

As long as he does it in control and no rage

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4 - Ed has his concealed gun - turns off safety, approaches guy from behind, fires single round into into the back of the guys head, turns on safety, picks up spent cartridge, turns and walks away.

Fixed it for you.

thanks, Tony. You always have better perspective

As long as he does it in control and no rage

5 - Ed approaches the guy, tells the guy he is not responsible for his actions, and asks the guy if he wants to discuss his past to determine who is responsible for his actions.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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5 - Ed approaches the guy, tells the guy he is not responsible for his actions, and asks the guy if he wants to discuss his past to determine who is responsible for his actions.

I don't think I've ever laughed and coughed at the same time. It kinda hurts.

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... I would pass the threshold of simply kicking ass and move into the realm of taking the attackers life, no doubt.

I can just see it now ... Someone is being attacked and their life is in danger. You enter the situation and save the person. However, you continue to attack the original attacker and their life is now in danger. Someone else enters the situation and saves the original attacker. However, they continue to attack you and your life is now in danger. Etc...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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... I would pass the threshold of simply kicking ass and move into the realm of taking the attackers life, no doubt.

I can just see it now ... Someone is being attacked and their life is in danger. You enter the situation and save the person. However, you continue to attack the original attacker and their life is now in danger. Someone else enters the situation and saves the original attacker. However, they continue to attack you and your life is now in danger. Etc...

The impulse to brutal revenge is the scourge of humanity.

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The impulse to brutal revenge is the scourge of humanity.

ooooh, fancy college boy, eh? "scourge", ooooooo, big words

down here we call it skurj

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Fixed it for you.

I like it better the way he had it. The violence is stopped, no one dies.

Taking a shot always has risks. Bullet and skull fragments can hurt innocent bystanders. Over penatration can kill...plus a head shot is messy with the calibers most people carry.

One big benefit of a gun is that it can stop violence without harm. In this story the sight of a man holding a gun was enough to stop the violence. If it was a baseball bat, or tire iron it would have required hitting the bad guy....While I think he would of deserved it, I think it is better to stop the violence with the least amount of danger and damage.

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"Gun saves a life"


"Man bites dog"

Like it or not, this guy with a gun maybe did save a life. And he DID save a woman from more harm.

The gun was a good thing. And they can be.