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the only useful tool short of a gun to confront a knife would be a long baseball bat. And it's still pretty high risk.

So why is the guy only being charged with aggravated assault? Gasoline and double digit stabbings sure seems like attempted murder.

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What kind of pathetic knife can you use to stab someone 10 (or is it 20???) times and have them come out in "good condition"?



The pathetic knife is irrelevent. The guy sure had intent to kill as illustrated by the gasoline.



you can't stab gasoline

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Funny, that's what I was thinking.



Yep, but the tool helped here don't ya think? I mean someone *could* have taken a tire iron to the guy, or be an expert at jujitsu at rolled him up...But that didn't happen. We saw a tool that some think as evil being used for good by a common man.

But you are right...Guns don't save people, people save people.

Guns are just a tool.

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The pathetic knife is irrelevent. The guy sure had intent to kill as illustrated by the gasoline.



Oh, sure. I wasn't arguing in that direction.

But if the knive was what, a little plastic butter knife from the dispenser at the hot dog stand, then it's a little more reasonable to rush the attacker even without a weapon.


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Well the douchebags who did nothing other than yell and beep their horns got ignored, sure. I really don't understand why nobody else jumped out and tried to physically confront this guy. I find it disturbing.



Only an idiot would go against a man with a weapon bare handed. And very few people have enough training to disarm an opponent without getting stabbed themselves. I was always told that if I found myself in a knife fight....Expect to get cut, just accept it and work through it.

1. Don't go into a knife fight without a long weapon.
2. Don't take a knife to a gun fight.
3. Don't go to gun fights. ;)

Here is a neat little exercise. Go put on an old white tshirt and hand your buddy a black sharpie. Try to disarm him.

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What kind of pathetic knife can you use to stab someone 10 (or is it 20???) times and have them come out in "good condition"?



It is not that unusual for stabbing victims to survive multiple stabbings. Most of the stab wounds will be on the arms. Slashing wounds to the chest and back do very little real damage.

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There is only a handful of areas on the body where a knife wound will be fatal nless it goes untreated, just having a big knife doesn't guarantee a kill, and on the flipside look at how small some of the shanks are that are used in prisons, only an inch or two long and still effective in killing people. It's about knowing the anatomy, not the size of the knife.

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I don't. You've got a guy with a knife who is in the process of demonstrating that he knows how to use and will use it - because he IS using it. One of my rules of intervention is, "Thou shalt not enter a knife fight with bare hands." Would any other unarmed citizen be expected to face a guy using a knife?
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From what I can pull from the story though there were multiple people honking and yelling, so the attacker was outnumbered. IMO those people had a responsibility to intervene and save anothers life, but I guess courage isn't common anymore.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
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From what I can pull from the story though there were multiple people honking and yelling, so the attacker was outnumbered. IMO those people had a responsibility to intervene and save anothers life, but I guess courage isn't common anymore.



It's the 9-1-1 generation. You don't have to help your fellow man any more. You just make a phone call to the government, and then forget about it.

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And oddly enough, all those people except the one carrying the gun got ignored...funny how that works, isn't it?



Well the douchebags who did nothing other than yell and beep their horns got ignored, sure. I really don't understand why nobody else jumped out and tried to physically confront this guy. I find it disturbing.



If I didn't have a gun on me I wouldn't intervene against an armed attack against some one who wasn't a friend or family member.

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What kind of pathetic knife can you use to stab someone 10 (or is it 20???) times and have them come out in "good condition"?



The pathetic knife is irrelevent. The guy sure had intent to kill as illustrated by the gasoline.



you can't stab gasoline




You lost me here. I don't know what you mean by this.

The way I see the attacker decided the knife wasn't doing the job so he switched to gasoline and tried to burn her alive. I would say that shows clear intent to kill or at the very least do serious bodily harm.

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What kind of pathetic knife can you use to stab someone 10 (or is it 20???) times and have them come out in "good condition"?



The pathetic knife is irrelevent. The guy sure had intent to kill as illustrated by the gasoline.



you can't stab gasoline




You lost me here. I don't know what you mean by this.

The way I see the attacker decided the knife was doing the job so he switched to gasoline and tried to burn her alive. I would say that shows clear intent to kill or at the very least do serious bodily harm.



illustrating with gasoline makes very boring cartoons

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But if the knive was what, a little plastic butter knife from the dispenser at the hot dog stand, then it's a little more reasonable to rush the attacker even without a weapon.



How do you make that determination, other than as a monday morning QB? (You're good at that)

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The pathetic knife is irrelevent. The guy sure had intent to kill as illustrated by the gasoline.



Oh, sure. I wasn't arguing in that direction.

But if the knive was what, a little plastic butter knife from the dispenser at the hot dog stand, then it's a little more reasonable to rush the attacker even without a weapon.



At what point do you think it would be reasonable to examine the knife in order to make a decision to confront the attacker? How about calling for a 'time out' and asking the attacker to show you the knife? Do you think that would work?

Have you ever been in a fight? Things don't exactly go as planned. Adrenaline high and you get tunnel vision and ya get very focused and also scared shitless all at the same time.

All the IF, BUTS, COULD HAVE's and WOULD HAVE's don't mean shit when you are in the situation.

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The pathetic knife is irrelevent. The guy sure had intent to kill as illustrated by the gasoline.



Oh, sure. I wasn't arguing in that direction.

But if the knive was what, a little plastic butter knife from the dispenser at the hot dog stand, then it's a little more reasonable to rush the attacker even without a weapon.



You should still with your standard PAs on posters style. Addressing the actual thread topic seems to a bit too much for you.

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look at how small some of the shanks are that are used in prisons, only an inch or two long and still effective in killing people.



Where do you people get this information???



The National Geographic channel has had some very informative documentarys on prisons lately.

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I find it disturbing as well that nobody else stepped up to the plate. The guy is armed with a knife, not a rocket launcher. He is trying to kill someone with that knife. It doesn't take much effort to distract him from his victim...a rock, a can of soup, a shopping cart, anything can be used as a weapon. Barring a weapon you go in unarmed and do what you can to give the woman a chance to get away. Sure there's a better than 50/50 chance you're going to get cut. But if nobody helps than someone is sure to die. (Forget the fact it's in a parking lot full of cars that are able to push him away from his victim).

What is disturbing to me is that society has got to the point where people are no longer willing to help someone else if it requires risk and sacrifice. :|

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What is disturbing to me is that society has got to the point where people are no longer willing to help someone else if it requires risk and sacrifice. :|



were people ever? I doubt the entire mob was interesting in lynching blacks or horsethieves or merely weird people, but didn't want to become the next victim.

Heroism is by definition, heroic. Short of being there, it's a bit hard to call them on this. Certainly does speak to the benefits on shall issue CCW laws.

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My teammate was a prison guard so I've heard all kinds of stories about the weapons they build there.

As for knowing what can kill someone and how, the cross training I've done with my team medic has really taught me a lot about what can and can't kill you.

As for this situation, like I said before, it's a shame that everyone there stood by and watched as a woman was being attacked. Any man that was there should be castrated for watching not standing upfor her, IT'S A FUCKING KNIFE, they aren't that bad no matter how big and scary they look.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
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