Big Brother in the UK

[akarunway 1]

If this >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1466943.ece comes to pass how much longer before the U.S. follows suit. Personally me I don't give a fuck. They have my prints many times over. This govt. control is getting out of hand. Time for a little anarchy me thinks

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[miked10270 0]

This is just the sort of "Big-Brother" tactic that'll keep the Shilpa Shetti's out!

But... Being serious for a moment... I've had my fingerprints stored and carried an ID Card for over 20 years without a problem.

So what's the fuss?

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[akarunway 1]

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This is just the sort of "Big-Brother" tactic that'll keep the Shilpa Shetti's out!

But... Being serious for a moment... I've had my fingerprints stored and carried an ID Card for over 20 years without a problem.

So what's the fuss?

Mike.

More govt. control my brother. More control. Where does it end?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[miked10270 0]

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... I've had my fingerprints stored and carried an ID Card for over 20 years without a problem.

So what's the fuss?

Mike.

More govt. control my brother. More control. Where does it end?

Yes. Perhaps. but the advantages of a ID Card scheme really outweigh the disadvantages. Also, I've never had a problem with national biometric databases and their being searched.

Then again, that may just be the 20 years as a cop speaking. Alternatively, it may be the 40+ years of never having had to lie about who I am and being quite happy to prove it.

The cynical part of me does wonder at the motivation of folk against ID Cards & databases.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[Scoop 0]

I don't really see a problem with it. We don't live in an anonymous society. From the moment we are born our lifes audit trail begins. If it stops johnny foreigner from sneaking on to our island and blowing the shit out of us or billy burglar from evading detention I'm all for it.

If they are taking these kind of steps to monitor identity for immigration etc then it suggests that we are finally going to start getting hardline with asylum and other immigration issues. Something which is long overdue.

My fingerprints & DNA are already on the register

[JackC 0]

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So what's the fuss?

Indeed, the database will be secure and error free, it won't cost you a penny, you wont get fined if you forget to update the information, the project will come in on time and on buget, the data will not be shared with anyone, they wont sell your details to anyone, you personal details wont be available to fee paying public, the technology wont be forgable, it will cure illegal imigration, benefit fraud and crime and be the best thing since sliced bread. Not.

http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/publications/pdfs/id-cards-flyer.pdf

[miked10270 0]

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Indeed, the database will be secure and error free, it won't cost you a penny... and be the best thing since sliced bread. Not.

http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/publications/pdfs/id-cards-flyer.pdf

In other words, a typical government program. On that basis the government should never do anything... Err......

Really, the question is whether the benefits will significantly outweigh the costs... Like the poli8ce, NHS, etc... Nowhere near perfect, but a lot better than nothing.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[dorbie 0]

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... I've had my fingerprints stored and carried an ID Card for over 20 years without a problem.

So what's the fuss?

Mike.

More govt. control my brother. More control. Where does it end?

Yes. Perhaps. but the advantages of a ID Card scheme really outweigh the disadvantages. Also, I've never had a problem with national biometric databases and their being searched.

Then again, that may just be the 20 years as a cop speaking. Alternatively, it may be the 40+ years of never having had to lie about who I am and being quite happy to prove it.

The cynical part of me does wonder at the motivation of folk against ID Cards & databases.

It's not about a well intentioned benign government. It's about the abuse of this by a worse government or the harm done to people caught in an anonymous beauraucratic meat grinder that won't get it's nose the fuck out of their life.

I'm reminded of the British bobbys on the channel islands who happily enforced for the nazi occupiers. Stick with enforcement and lay off policy if you don't have the imagination to avert bad policy.

[JackC 0]

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In other words, a typical government program. On that basis the government should never do anything... Err......

Not really, although it will inevitably be the usual government fuck up, the real issue is the errosion of civil liberties and the end of the right of privacy. The "database state" promotes a feeling of them and us and exacerbates divisions in society. The database information could become the official "who you are" and if it gets lost or corrupt, you might find yourself unable to recieve public services and become a 'non-person'.

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Really, the question is whether the benefits will significantly outweigh the costs... Like the poli8ce, NHS, etc... Nowhere near perfect, but a lot better than nothing.

If ID cards would solve anything I might agree but they wont.

ID cards wont stop someone from blowing themselves up on the tube. They wont stop people robbing banks. Only 2.5% of benefit fraud is from identity theft and ID cards wont necessarily stop that either.

You can guarantee this will go way over buget, take much longer than estimated, there will be security and reliability issues and it wont do what it says on the tin. This is money that could be better spent on more policing and better border and immigration controls. Things that might stand a snowball in hells chance of working.

Say no2id

[Skyrad 0]

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I don't really see a problem with it. We don't live in an anonymous society. From the moment we are born our lifes audit trail begins. If it stops johnny foreigner from sneaking on to our island and blowing the shit out of us or billy burglar from evading detention I'm all for it.

If they are taking these kind of steps to monitor identity for immigration etc then it suggests that we are finally going to start getting hardline with asylum and other immigration issues. Something which is long overdue.

My fingerprints & DNA are already on the register

I thought they got rid of them when that Pikey bitch dropped the charges

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Skyrad 0]

We live in a survellience state and poeple are just sleep walking further into it.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[miked10270 0]

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My fingerprints & DNA are already on the register

I thought they got rid of them when that Pikey bitch dropped the charges

No! The Home Office is only obliged to destroy human DNA & Fingerprints.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.