"Global Warming" Hysteria

[sundevil777 102]

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There is no spoon.

I do hate analogies.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[narcimund 0]

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How you labeled your links seemed pretty clear to me. My fault for not confirming the content.

How do the labels reflect on either you OR latent homosexuality? They're phrases taken directly from the four parodies of the word "faggotry".

I was making fun of the OP. He expressed a stupid bigotted sentiment with a dumb word. I found the first four links in a Google search for "faggotry" were hilarious and I posted them.

It had nothing to do with you.

It had nothing to do with latent homosexuality.

It had nothing to do with you.

It had nothing to do with you.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[narcimund 0]

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you admitted long ago that you like to get a reaction from some conservatives on this forum. My memory isn't what it used to be, but that statement by you is very clear in my mind, and I criticized you for it at the time

Amazing. I'd love to know what I said. I'm usually not that direct.

For the record, I love to slap around anyone who's being blind to the ramifications of their own poorly-thought-out words. By and large the conservatives in speaker's corner seem to deserve it more but I keep my eyes open for all opportunities.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[quade 4]

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First, if it IS happening it appears to be part of a natural cycle caused by fluctuations in the sun's output. Nothing to be concerned about..

Stopped reading right there.

1) Can't seem to admit something CLEARLY shown in the record.
2) Draws conclusion that IF is is happening, then it must be attributed to natural solar cycle (although this is COMPLETELY disproven by records).
3) Draws conclusion that this is "Nothing to be concerned about."

So, let's put that entire thing together; he's not convinced anything is happening, but if it is it's natural and nothing to be concerned about.

Ok . . .

What a crock of crap.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,120]

> First, if it IS happening it appears to be part of a natural cycle caused by
>fluctuations in the sun's output. Nothing to be concerned about.

That would be the Type II Denial. Fortunately, most people have given up on the Type I, which is that the climate really isn't changing. Check out the Type III's - they think that CO2 is causing the planet to warm and it's a good thing. It's becoming more and more popular as the deniers scramble for a way to explain a climate that's behaving basically like the IPCC predicted it would.

Often, when people are presented with a problem they themselves have caused, they will try to blame someone else. Now the Type II's are blaming the sun. I predict this will continue until China starts putting out more CO2 than we do, at which point the people who see themselves as blameless will start blaming China. That way they need not act responsibly; they have redefined the issue so that they are not causing any part of the problem.

I have a feeling they will fail. Enough people have learned about climate change that we are starting to take it seriously. I am reminded about the CFC debate years ago, when most scientists agreed the ozone layer was taking a lot of damage from CFC releases. Some scientists, often those employed by refrigerant manufacturers, wrote long essays about how it was all a big hoax, the ozone layer wasn't disappearing, and even if it was it wasn't their fault.

Fortunately enough people were smart enough to ignore them and switch over to non-CFC refrigerants. We did it in time; the ozone layer has stopped thinning, and will gradually begin to reform itself. It happened because enough people ignored the deniers and believed in the science instead of the rhetoric.

>30 years ago we could go months without thinking about faggotry.

Which is like saying "60 years ago we could go months without hearing about uppity negroes wanting to sit in the front of the bus." Times change, often for the better. Now that we accept that blacks are just like whites with different colored skin, we are better off as a society. Soon we will realize that gays are just like heterosexuals, just with different programming. That will be a good day, but based on posts like this, we have a bit of a ways to go.

>The question for the left, once again is: What's in it for them? What do
>they have to gain by creating the kind of world they're so hell-bent on
>creating?

There are a few possible explanations:

One, that there is a vast secret leftist conspiracy planning to destroy the world by scaring everyone with their doomsday predictions. They have vast coffers (no doubt filled through some sort of criminal activity) that they use to bribe most scientists into believing that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that can cause temperature increases. I believe Michael Crichton wrote a novel about just this.

Two, there is no conspiracy. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, we are significantly increasing its concentration through burning billions of tons of fossil fuel each year, and exactly what we predicted would happen is happening. You won't find this in a novel, and the places you can read about it (Nature) are not nearly as exciting as a Michael Crichton novel, but fortunately many people realize that one source is a bit more credible than the other.

[billvon 3,120]

> What's funny is that they are the same ones who swear that
>everything revolves around the evolutionary process.

Exactly! And those scientists are positive that the world is - get this - a SPHERE. I've been to China, and I can tell you for a fact that I did not fall off. Heck, I even dropped stuff, and it went the same direction it does right here - straight down.

What's even funnier is that they think that tiny "microbes" that you can't even see (isn't that convenient?) can kill you! How dumb do they think we are? The things that can kill you - knives, bullets, 16 ton weights - are all quite visible, but these scientists will say anything to push their leftist pro-tax homosexual agenda. Heck, they probably want to raise your taxes to fight these mythical "microbes!" I even heard of a place called the CDC where they waste millions of dollars a year trying to save us from things that don't exist. How dumb do they think we are?

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> First, if it IS happening it appears to be part of a natural cycle caused by
>fluctuations in the sun's output. Nothing to be concerned about.

That would be the Type II Denial.

Here are a bunch of type II deniers:-
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=0df9b3cd-802a-23ad-4984-5ac0c6d42605

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.


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The leader of Sun-climate research at the Danish National Space Center, Henrik Svensmark, puts together the findings reported by him and his colleagues in a dozen scientific papers, to tell how the climate is governed by atomic particles coming from exploded stars. These cosmic rays help to make ordinary clouds. High levels of cosmic rays and cloudiness cool the world, while milder intervals occur when cosmic rays and cloud cover diminish.



They should be shot at dawn for suggesting GW is caused by anything else than us unnatural humans.

Dave

Fallschirmsport Marl

[Royd 0]

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We gave women what they wanted. Freedom to work and be independent. Now they want months off with pay because they are having a baby, or when they realize that the workaday world is quite often a pain in the ass, they want to be able to opt out.

Blacks have had nearly 50 yrs., that's two or three generations, to get their feet under themselves.

There are thousands who choose not to apply themselves to learning the basics of education because if they did, they would no longer be able to play the victim. Just read a couple of Bill Cosby' last few speeches. They are spot on.

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Are you saying those were mistakes?

My point is that with most of these groups who consider themselves to have been supressed in the past, enough is never enough. They quite enjoy holding what they consider to be the establishment, hostage.

Freedom is never enough. They have to punish someone for the past.

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How does the lack of education of African Americans and the supposed unwillingness to work of women have anything to with Gay rights?

They have every right that I, as a single man, enjoys everyday of my life.
Once again, they have the freedom to, and do, flaunt their sexual preferences in the public forum.

They have also taken it hostage. There are very few shows on tv that don't have a blatant homosexual.

Quess what? That ain't real life, or else I'd hear some lithping on the street everyday.

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Lets say GW doesnt "pan out". Does that not mean we shouldnt make our earth a cleaner place anyways?

Have you planted a garden so that you don't have to waste fuel and time going to the garbage food store?

Have you picked up the trash on the side of the road within a quarter mile of your domicile?

Have you even chewed your friend's ass when they pitched out that beer bottle, or cigarette butt?

[jakee 1,596]

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There are very few shows on tv that don't have a blatant homosexual.

If all you watch is daytime soaps and identi-kit sit-coms...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

All gay people want is equality. It is the same thing women wanted in the 1920's and African Americans wanted in the 1960's.

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Bullshit, they have equality (and there are always execptions to nearly everything)

What they want is political advantage. It is that simple.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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[billvon 3,120]

>Bullshit, they have equality . . .

They cannot join the Armed Services.
They cannot marry those they love.
In many places, gay sex is illegal, while heterosexual sex is not. (The legal difference is sodomy vs fornication.) Fortunately those laws aren't enforced much any more.

[jarrodh 0]

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They have also taken it hostage. There are very few shows on tv that don't have a blatant homosexual.

Really?...Ill list ten shows with no blatant homosexual themes.

24
The Simpsons
Family Guy
Lost
South Park
Girls Next Door
Any of the CSI's
Anthing on ESPN
The Apprentice
Seinfeld
Everybody Loves Raymond

All favorites of mine with no gay themes. This list could go on and on. Unless your only watching reruns of Will and Grace or any soap opera or Lifetime original movies then your completely wrong in your statement.

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Quess what? That ain't real life, or else I'd hear some lithping on the street everyday.

Just so you know pal, coming from someone who knows many gay people not all of them lisp. That is a stereotype portrayed on television that is usually not the case in real life. In fact most Gay people act and look just like you and me they simply have a different sexual orientation.

Before you start making sweeping generalizations about Gay people try going out and meeting some to find out the truth. They are 90% of the time not overtly gay, flaming, or "lithping" and they wont try to have sex with you just because they like men.

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Have you planted a garden so that you don't have to waste fuel and time going to the garbage food store?

Have you picked up the trash on the side of the road within a quarter mile of your domicile?

Have you even chewed your friend's ass when they pitched out that beer bottle, or cigarette butt?

I havent planted a garden since I live in a dorm. I would if I could though.

Yes I do service work, for groups Im a member of at UF, including cleanups and other volunteering.

What would be the point of yelling at a friend of mine? How would that help the environment? What I would do is pick up his litter or ask him to correctly throw it away.

As a student I do my best to recycle and limit my energy output. Its quite hard though but I at least try. The real issue isnt micro environmental protection anyways, even though everything helps. Whats more important is thinking on a macro or global environmental scale where entire nations can increase their energy effieciency and limit our negative impacts on Earth.

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[philh 0]

i think u need to disntiguish the hysteria and the evidence. Yes u r right there are many on the left who use the global warming issue to further their own anti corporate agenda. They exxagerate the nature of the threat and the media likes an exiciting headline so they are exxagerate with them.
BUT and this is a big but, that does not mean there is no threat. The best estiamtes of global warming as given by the IPCC are between 1.5 to 5.8 degress warming over the next century. Sure there are those on the left who immediatley assume its going to 5.8 or even higher and there also those on the right who assume its going to be 1.5 or even lower. The truth is we dont really know how big the problem is but we definitley do know we have a problem. Those who deny it completley are just as guilty as those who exxagerate it.

[rehmwa 2]

24 - Don't watch it

The Simpsons - Smithers

Family Guy - ever see the episode where Peter finds his feminine side. and let's not forget Stewie about half the time

Lost - Don't watch it

South Park - Isn't the teacher flagrant (every ad for the show has something in it)

Girls Next Door - I could see woman having lesbian fantasies. Or is that me just hoping the girls will....

Any of the CSI's - nothing yet - but could it hurt to break up the monotony?

Anthing on ESPN - two words, women's lacrosse

The Apprentice - trump's hair

Seinfeld - every single main character is gay, they just don't know it. not that anything is wrong with that

Everybody Loves Raymond - Raymond is very feminine

(this was just for fun) - I'm still not sure what it has to do with global warming and people just skipping posts because they disagree with the first line

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 3,120]

>Sure there are those on the left who immediatley assume its going
> to 5.8 or even higher and there also those on the right who assume
> its going to be 1.5 or even lower. The truth is we dont really know
> how big the problem is but we definitley do know we have a
> problem. Those who deny it completley are just as guilty as those
> who exxagerate it.

Very good point, one that often gets lost in the rhetoric. One side says "we're all going to die tomorrow" and the other side says "no we're not, there's no problem at all" and the debate often polarizes to those extremes. But while they're arguing, we keep emitting CO2 and the planet keeps slowly warming up. And all the vitriol takes away from what we _should_ be talking about, which is how to deal with the changes or slow them down.

[narcimund 0]

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And all the vitriol takes away from what we _should_ be talking about, which is how to deal with the changes or slow them down..

That's the other side's point.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[jakee 1,596]

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Anthing on ESPN - two words, women's lacrosse

A visiting university womens lacrosse team had a toga party in my house (still not quite sure how it came about) a week or two back.

That was a good day.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rehmwa 2]

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And all the vitriol takes away from what we _should_ be talking about, which is how to deal with the changes or slow them down..

That's the other side's point.

no it's not, it's only the other "other side's" point

(I'm writing this for obtuseness for those that don't get the subtle joke you made. They know who they are.

or maybe they don't)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[StreetScooby 5]

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But while they're arguing, we keep emitting CO2 and the planet keeps slowly warming up.

At this point in time, I think it's clear we need to do something. I've yet to hear a viable solution being offerred by those in power, e.g., the UK tax on airplane emissions. What is the UK going to do with that tax money?

We are all engines of karma

[billvon 3,120]

>I think it's clear we need to do something.

Some options:

Carbon tax. It's the most direct way of dealing with the issue. Money goes into a fund to help people hurt by climate change (like the Inuit.)

Continued development of alternative sources of power/fuel. Cellulosic ethanol is going to be critical.

Reinstatement of the California ZEV mandate.

Increases in US CAFE requirements.

Assistance to China to encourage them to build nuclear plants instead of coal plants. This could be a perfect opportunity for additional CANDU plants.

[philh 0]

more research would be my focus; alternative energy sources but also carbon capture and iron fertilisation may hold promise.

[billvon 3,120]

> . . . iron fertilisation may hold promise.

Iron fertilization scares the bejeezus out of me. The one way we _could_ actually kill of most of the life on the planet would be to mess with plankton - and kill most of it.

[philh 0]

we are already messing with the enviroment not just by global warming but also over fishing this could have major impacts on the food chain including plankton. Im certainly not suggesting we go and dump all our iron in the sea staright away , merely that we research the issue more so we have have a better understading ,it might give us a very cheap solution to the whole global warming issue. Of course i agree our level of uncertainty is too right now but it may not be so in the future with more research.

[billvon 3,120]

>it might give us a very cheap solution to the whole global warming issue.

To me this is like solving someone's problem with obesity by buying them a bigger belt. It's not solving the problem, it's treating one of the symptoms - and doing so by messing with the most important thing in our ecosystem. It would surely suck to get halfway through the project and realize that the phytoplankton was mutating to take advantage of the higher iron content in the seas.

[rushmc 23]

We can wait and watch for this person to be (although once loved) attacked for ........reviewing science to change his mind??

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln