Hillary's 1969 thesis has been revealed

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She fought to have it sea;ed and it was done so by wellesly and now it is out in the opne and she will have to scurry like a cockroach when the lights come on!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/from/ET/

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‘A fundamental disagreement’
Hillary Rodham (who wasn't the valedictorian of the Wellesley class of '69, no matter what Wikipedia has said since July 9, 2005) was indeed an honors student and received an A on the thesis after her oral defense of it that May, recalls professor Schechter, who was one of the three graders.

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How the Clintons hid Hillary's thesis
‘A stupid political decision,’ says her former Wellesley poli-sci professor
By Bill Dedman
Investigative reporter
Updated: 6:52 a.m. CT March 2, 2007
WELLESLEY, Mass. - Hillary Rodham Clinton's political science professor said he'd give the tactic an "F."

It was early 1993, in the first days of the Clinton administration, when Hillary Clinton's friend and former thesis adviser at Wellesley College took the phone call that would land him in the middle of a political intrigue.

"I got a call from someone at the White House — I don't remember who — shortly after the inauguration, saying the Clintons had decided not to release her thesis," professor Alan H. Schechter told MSNBC.com.

"I said, 'Why? It's a good thesis.' I got some mumbo jumbo about how they were beginning to work on health care and she had criticized Sen. Moynihan in the thesis, and didn't want to alienate him.'"

In fact, the thesis from 1969 contains not a negative word about Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the Democratic senator from New York, and Schechter allows that the real source of fear must have been the subject of the academic paper: Chicago radical organizer Saul Alinsky.

‘Quite naive’
"I argued with them that they should release it," the emeritus professor said in the telephone interview from North Carolina, one stop on his tour of Wellesley alumnae groups to discuss their favorite topic these days, the political development of Hillary Clinton.


"The more you hide something, the more people will want it," Schechter said. "It was a stupid political decision, obviously, at the time."

Schechter, a Clinton supporter who has contributed money to her campaigns, said that hiding the thesis, which got an "A" grade, was one of many "quite naive" decisions by the Clintons in those early days — he also lists making gays in the military the first priority, and trying to do too much with her health care plan. But liberals, he said — and he counts himself among them — tend to overreach instead of taking the incremental approach.

After the call from the White House, Wellesley's president, Nannerl Overholser Keohane, consulted with lawyers and closed access to any thesis written by a U.S. president or first lady, a rule affecting only Hillary D. Rodham's thesis. Keohane moved on later that year to be president of Duke University, and now is a visiting professor at Princeton, where she teaches political philosophy, leadership and feminist theory. An Arkansan who was eight years ahead of Hillary Rodham at Wellesley, Keohane is a regular contributor to Democratic candidates and to a congressional PAC that gives exclusively to Democrats, including Hillary Clinton.

When MSNBC.com called Keohane last week at Princeton to ask about the thesis, she replied, "I have no memory of this," and hung up the phone. To give her time to gather her thoughts, MSNBC.com e-mailed questions to her, and she replied, "I do not recall this situation, and cannot help you with this issue. You will need to rely on the people at Wellesley who are more current on this issue than I am."

Wellesley's assistant vice president for public affairs, Mary Ann Hill, told MSNBC.com that she had no information on whether the action was requested by the Clintons. Keohane closed access to that thesis in early 1993, Hill said, because "there was enough ambiguity about the application of copyright law, and the decision was made to err on the side of caution."

The policy was reiterated in writing in 1995, Hill said, by the current president of the college, Diana Chapman Walsh. Three classes ahead of Hillary Rodham at Wellesley, Walsh also is a regular contributor to Democratic candidates, including Hillary Clinton.

The life of the thesis out of the closet could be short-lived. If Clinton won the presidency, under the policy her thesis would again go back under wraps. Hill said that if Clinton were elected, the college would probably re-evaluate what policy was best.


‘It is available at Wellesley’
MSNBC.com asked Sen. Clinton, through her office and presidential campaign staff, whether she would consent to an interview to discuss the thesis and whether she would give permission for MSNBC.com to publish the paper in full. Her Senate staff declined the interview request, and her presidential campaign staff did not reply.

As for allowing the thesis to be published, Clinton's senatorial spokesman, Philippe Reines, said in an e-mail, "You need to contact Wellesley about their policy regarding the release of student work, and seek permission from them." Of course, as Wellesley pointed out, it's the author, not the college, who holds the copyright.

When asked why the Clinton White House had wanted the thesis hidden from the first generation of Clinton biographers, Reines would neither confirm nor deny that the Clintons had requested Wellesley's action. Instead he referred to the current situation. "Senator Clinton's thesis is available to the public, as is any other Wellesley graduate. If someone wants to read it, it is available at Wellesley."

Besides being available for reading, but not copying, at the Wellesley archives (on the fourth floor of the library, Monday through Friday), the thesis can be read at your local library — one library at a time, that is. A single copy, on microfilm, can be ordered from Wellesley on a 30-day interlibrary loan.

While the traveling copy raises the possibility that someone could check out the microfilm, photocopy it or retype it, and post the text on the Internet, doing so would run the risk of a lawsuit.

The document has copyright protection, though not because the front of the library's copy is marked "c 1969 Hillary D. Rodham." That note, in a different typeface than the manuscript itself, was added by the university's archivist, Wilma Slaight.

"I added that in 1992," Slaight acknowledged. "That was my attempt to indicate that she might have copyright protection."

The attempt was unnecessary, said a copyright specialist, professor Laura N. Gasaway of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. With or without the mark, an unpublished work is protected as soon as it's written, and the protection extends until 70 years after the author's death, Gasaway said. Readers can comment on the thesis, or publish limited quotations from it, but anyone who publishes the text could be liable for statutory damages of up to $150,000.

Of course, it's not clear whether a presidential candidate would want to draw even more attention to her writings on an old radical by suing.


© 2007 MSNBC Interactive

[kallend 2,148]

My PhD thesis is now very out-of-date. I wouldn't want people dredging it up now and claiming it represents my current thinking on the topic. I imagine the same is true about almost anyone's student thesis.

Another storm in a teacup.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Did you question whether democracy was a mistake?

Or make statements to show yourself a bit of a communist or socialist?

Did you go from being a wannabe hard line republican to being a far left liberal democrat?

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When Ronald Reagan was that age, he was a liberal Democrat.

Bottom line: THE only people who could possibly give a shit about this now are people who would never dream of voting for her anyway. For everybody else, it's a complete non-issue.

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Did you question whether democracy was a mistake?

Or make statements to show yourself a bit of a communist or socialist?

Did you go from being a wannabe hard line republican to being a far left liberal democrat?

It's a student thesis, for goodness sakes. Would you take skydiving advice from someone with 10 jumps?

As it happens, I AM a life member of the Conservative Party - one of the mistakes of my undergraduate days.

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Bottom line: THE only people who could possibly give a shit about this now are people who would never dream of voting for her anyway. For everybody else, it's a complete non-issue.

Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a WINNER!!!!!

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Bottom line: THE only people who could possibly give a shit about this now are people who would never dream of voting for her anyway. For everybody else, it's a complete non-issue.

Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a WINNER!!!!!

Next thing you know, they'll want to look at her arrest records from when she was younger, or her (something, something) Guard attendence record, or read reports of her vietnam experience, or if she inhales when she smokes, or make fun of when she did a movie with a monkey

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> How the Clintons hid Hillary's thesis

I think Obama did it.

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Ahem. Texas Air National Guard.

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> How the Clintons hid Hillary's thesis

I think Obama did it.

Thats OK. Mc Cain will probably say he understands what Obama did.

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Next thing you know, they'll want to look at her arrest records from when she was younger, or her Coast Guard attendence record, or read reports of her vietnam experience, or if she inhales when she smokes, or make fun of when she did a movie with a monkey

I liked Obama's answer the the "inhale" question best.
"That was the idea"

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When Ronald Reagan was that age, he was a liberal Democrat.

Well, he was a Democrat. He left the party because it shifted left. In his words ""I didn't leave the Democratic Party... The party left me."

Democrat? Yes.

Liberal Democrat? Not hardly.

Back to the thread topic - funny how everyone who claims it's a non-issue lean left.

It's almost like they prefer it go away.

And Al Gore spending $30,000/yr on utilities in no biggie, either.

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Back to the thread topic - funny how everyone who claims it's a non-issue lean left.

Sure, I'll accept that. But these days, even Republicans are leftists by the current Right's standards. And you're correct. I do want it to go away. I always want dumb shit to go away. But this is a perfect example of why I didn't want her to run. No one will be able to have a debate about valid issues because she's going to be subjected to the same witch hunt crap that her husband was. It's sad. And expect the "liberal" media to feed off of it.

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Next thing you know, they'll want to look at her arrest records from when she was younger, or her Coast Guard attendence record, or read reports of her vietnam experience, or if she inhales when she smokes, or make fun of when she did a movie with a monkey

Those speak to the character of the person. Young people do make mistakes, but many of these are choices that were made quite consciously.

But if health care was simple enough to be solved by an undergrad, it would have been done by now. Students lack sufficient experience in political/social behavior that make solutions more difficult to achieve.

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When Ronald Reagan was that age, he was a liberal Democrat.

Well, he was a Democrat. He left the party because it shifted left. In his words ""I didn't leave the Democratic Party... The party left me."

"I sometimes think that I didn't leave the Republican Party," she has written, "as much as it left me."

Did they have the same scriptwriter?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Bottom line: THE only people who could possibly give a shit about this now are people who would never dream of voting for her anyway. For everybody else, it's a complete non-issue.

Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a WINNER!!!!!

Next thing you know, they'll want to look at her arrest records from when she was younger, or her Coast Guard attendence record, or read reports of her vietnam experience, or if she inhales when she smokes, or make fun of when she did a movie with a monkey

You forgot one.....

Or how her white ancestors were slave owners.

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Ah, the joys of significant, meaningful politics...

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When Ronald Reagan was that age, he was a liberal Democrat.

Well, he was a Democrat. He left the party because it shifted left. In his words ""I didn't leave the Democratic Party... The party left me."

"I sometimes think that I didn't leave the Republican Party," she has written, "as much as it left me."

Did they have the same scriptwriter?

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In America, you can always find a party.
In Soviet Union, party always finds you.

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When Ronald Reagan was that age, he was a liberal Democrat.

Well, he was a Democrat. He left the party because it shifted left. In his words ""I didn't leave the Democratic Party... The party left me."

"I sometimes think that I didn't leave the Republican Party," she has written, "as much as it left me."

Did they have the same scriptwriter?

I find that statement a bit odd because its my understanding that the Republicans shifted left and the democrats shift further left so if she was 'left' by her party that would make her ultra, extreme conservative. Of course she can argue the meaning of it stating her poor accent and grammar left room for people like myself to take her comment out of context.

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When Ronald Reagan was that age, he was a liberal Democrat.

Well, he was a Democrat. He left the party because it shifted left. In his words ""I didn't leave the Democratic Party... The party left me."

"I sometimes think that I didn't leave the Republican Party," she has written, "as much as it left me."

Did they have the same scriptwriter?

Yeah. Ronald Reagan.

Hillary just co-opted the phrase.

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Bottom line: THE only people who could possibly give a shit about this now are people who would never dream of voting for her anyway. For everybody else, it's a complete non-issue.

Ya mean like the ANG issue? If someones Daddy bought them a degree...ect?

Both sides do it. Funny thing is one is quite well proven that they did it...The other is just speculation. But that does not keep people from trying to insert it all the time.

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You should see some of the shit I wrote as an undergrad.



Come to think of it, some of it was pretty good.

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When Ronald Reagan was that age, he was a liberal Democrat.

Back then, Democrats weren't liberal, and the party itself was much stronger.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!