Do you believe in HELL?

[steveorino 7]

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>Some see that the sacrifice of Christ paid the price for all mankind to be
>reconciled to God through him.

Is that how you see it?

No, not now, but I am reading a lot about it. There are some hard verses to interpert from that universal position. Especially the parable of the sheep & goats.

If I come to that decision you can bet it won't be popular among most of my pastor friends.
I merely wanted to point out there are other positions.

steveOrino

[jarrodh 0]

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I think the idea of Hell is a horrible thing. Just because one doesnt believe in Jesus Christ/Allah/whomever, even if they live a good decent life means they will go to hell, and I just cant be apart of something which would send so many good people to burn eternally in a lake of fire.

One will not go to hell because he/she’s not heard of Jesus. One goes to hell because they’ve lied, stolen, blasphemed, committed adultery, murdered, coveted, created false idols, not kept God first in their lives, etc. (e.g. broken God’s moral law which is imprinted on everyone’s heart). Sin is not failing to hear the Gospel. Rather, “sin is the transgression of the Law.” (1 John 3:4).

What if said good person is a Muslim? All their lives they have believed in Allah, Mohamed (spelling?) and lived according to that doctrine. In their life they have been a good decent person who does not murder, steal etc. and has been nothing but a benefit to society. However they dont in the least bit follow what the bible preaches or that Jesus was the son of God .

Does Christianity cast this decent soul to hell (whatever that may be) for eternity simply because they were born into and raised in another culture and subsequently follow the Qu'ran and not the bible?

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[pajarito 0]

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>One will not go to hell because he/she’s not heard of Jesus.

John 14:6 - I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

I believe you've used that precise line before.

Your guilt and condemnation is different from God’s saving grace described in your quote. You are guilty and under sentence of death because you’ve broken the Law. Primarily, that is why you will end up in hell if you die in your sins. You know right from wrong. The Law is imprinted on your conscience just like everyone else. If you were good, there would be no need for a Savior. You are under the weight of the Law and hell is your only option without your debt having been paid. “We are not saved by the law; we are saved by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ. The law doesn’t help us; it just leaves us helpless. It doesn’t justify us; it just leaves us guilty before a holy God and sends us to the cross.” If you are concerned about those who have never “heard” of Jesus then you should be willing to take the message to them.

[pajarito 0]

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What if said good person is a Muslim? All their lives they have believed in Allah, Mohamed (spelling?) and lived according to that doctrine. In their life they have been a good decent person who does not murder, steal etc. and has been nothing but a benefit to society. However they dont in the least bit follow what the bible preaches or that Jesus was the son of God .

Are you Good?

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As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.
Romans 3:10

[billvon 3,118]

>“We are not saved by the law; we are saved by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ."

If that's the case, I think I'd prefer to be with Gandhi than Dahmer and Koresh anyway.

[jarrodh 0]

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What if said good person is a Muslim? All their lives they have believed in Allah, Mohamed (spelling?) and lived according to that doctrine. In their life they have been a good decent person who does not murder, steal etc. and has been nothing but a benefit to society. However they dont in the least bit follow what the bible preaches or that Jesus was the son of God .

Are you Good?

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As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.
Romans 3:10

Is that an answer or a link to a website?

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[jarrodh 0]

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What if said good person is a Muslim? All their lives they have believed in Allah, Mohamed (spelling?) and lived according to that doctrine. In their life they have been a good decent person who does not murder, steal etc. and has been nothing but a benefit to society. However they dont in the least bit follow what the bible preaches or that Jesus was the son of God .

Are you Good?

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As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.
Romans 3:10

According to that website, everyone who has ever not held the Christian God first in their life or believed that there is no hell will be doomed to an eternity in hell. Therfore excluding every person on earth from Heaven, that isnt a Christian.

If God is indeed all knowing and all powerful shouldnt he be able to recognize that people can be born into faiths such as Islam or Hindu, and therefore have no chance in their lives to become a Christian?

If God has a plan for all of us, as so many claim, then he has chosen for billions of people to be born into a culture/faith that doesnt worship him as lord, therefore casting them to hell, because of HIS plan for them.

One of my major problems with religion, Christianity in particular, is that it is full of holes and circles of logic that make it hard to believe. Frequently answers to biblical questions I have asked friends, relatives, teachers, and clergymen are answered with quotes from scripture. To me that is not really answering the question, since those quotes can be interpreted a multitude of ways.

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[jarrodh 0]

Another thing...

If you dont believe what the Bible says (i.e. the universe bing made in 7 days, the great flood, garden of eden) does that mean you automatically go to hell?

If so then I guess Im doomed. I believe in Scientific Fact when it comes to the world. There is no evidence to support the theory of a world wide flood, there is evidence to suggest that man evolved from primates not from Gods creation of Adam and Eve. I cannot take the Bible literally in regards to many of its stories since they are so obviously incorrect/made up.

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[IanHarrop 43]

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Maybe I misunderstood you. The word hell is a more modern translation of "sheol" "hades" "gehenna"

the concept is as old as the Bible, but the word "hell" is more recent, perhaps Nordic?

As I said before, most Christian concepts of hell come from extra-biblical sources.

I want to check if I am understanding correctly. I think you are suggesting that Hell is not found in the King James version but later versions, like the ones you noted, include a reference to Hell even though most Christian concepts of hell come from extra-biblical sources.

If this is the case it appears that the more recent versions of the Bible are now including concepts that were not in previous versions. Can I then infer that if the Bible is the word of God that it appears that the word is being revised. Not saying this is good or bad, just that the word of God appears to be different depending on which version one reads.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[champu 1]

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The knowledge of the latter as your consciousness fades to black when you die is the very definition of hell.

So if I were an asshat in this life, my hell is that one or two generations remembers that I was an asshat?

Oh, the pain!

'Ep, and after that, no one remembers you. Or maybe you show up a couple generations down the road as a name tag on a push pin with some yarn around it as part of a 5th graders family tree project for history class.

The only thing we get to keep after we die is our name. That drives many people to be a positive contribution to the world around them. Meanwhile, the hoi polloi get told a story of fire and brimstone to keep them in line.

[elmo87 0]

if there is are hell then i am not welcome

Dream as you´ll live forever..Live as you´ll die today

[steveorino 7]

There is no word Hell in the Bible any where in the original Bible written in Greek & Hebrew.


The Hebrew word Sheol, from the OT and Greek words, Gehenna and hades from the NT are translated as hell in most English versions.

steveOrino

[Richards 0]

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'Ep, and after that, no one remembers you. Or maybe you show up a couple generations down the road as a name tag on a push pin with some yarn around it as part of a 5th graders family tree project for history class.

The only thing we get to keep after we die is our name. That drives many people to be a positive contribution to the world around them. Meanwhile, the hoi polloi get told a story of fire and brimstone to keep them in line.

[jakee 1,595]

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the concept is as old as the Bible, but the word "hell" is more recent, perhaps Nordic?

Yep, from the Norse 'Hel' the place for those who died ingloriously. Also the name of the Giantess who rules it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[diablopilot 2]

Hell is being subjected to drunken Japanese Karaoke.

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[br0k3n 0]

ok heres my issue with the whole hell satan story...

Satan was proud, and rose up against God (Isaiah 15: 13-14, Ezekiel 28: 14-19). Therefore, he is judged, bruised, chained in darkness, and sent to Hell (John 12: 31, John 16: 11, Romans 16:20, Jude 6, 2 Peter 2: 4, Matthew 25: 41). It’s interesting to note that Satan was an angel (Isaiah 14: 12) who was perfect (Ezekiel 29: 15) and beautiful (Ezekiel 28: 17). The angels had free will, as is indicated by the fact that Satan chose to go against God. If he had known the punishment, he would not have had true free will. However, it says nowhere that Satan knew he would be sent to hell for his actions. It is only after he rebels that he is punished. The angels were created before man, and as free moral agents, some revolted against God. Therefore, God made mankind, and made him ignorant of good and evil. We didn’t gain the ability to judge good or evil until after the fall, and then God punished us for doing what he knew we would do(he’s omniscient, remember?). It’s as if God knew that once we realized the difference between good and evil as the angel’s did, we would see him for what he truly is.

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[popsjumper 2]

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...Can I then infer that if the Bible is the word of God that it appears that the word is being revised. Not saying this is good or bad, just that the word of God appears to be different depending on which version one reads.

Literary license.
You know how it is...tell a story today and it gets repeated and eventually the story becomes something totally different from the original.

The rest of you:
So Adam came about...how many different "Gods" were there then? So how did all the other Gods come about?

If you believe in God, then obviously there can only be one true God unless you believe that the term 'God" means a committee.

And, like the word "Hell", "God" seems to me to be, just as in any other word, simply a symbol for a concept.

So now, you turn to prophets. Which "prophet" is telling the truth? This one? That one? Ahhhhh...for sure the one authorized by the one true God, eh? One religion says Jesus is the "Son of God" another dismisses him as a minor prophet.

So maybe the one true God is playing a joke on us by giving different prohets diverging stories to tell.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[steveorino 7]

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ok heres my issue with the whole hell satan story...

Satan was proud, and rose up against God (Isaiah 15: 13-14, Ezekiel 28: 14-19). Therefore, he is judged, bruised, chained in darkness, and sent to Hell (John 12: 31, John 16: 11, Romans 16:20, Jude 6, 2 Peter 2: 4, Matthew 25: 41). It’s interesting to note that Satan was an angel (Isaiah 14: 12) who was perfect (Ezekiel 29: 15) and beautiful (Ezekiel 28: 17). The angels had free will, as is indicated by the fact that Satan chose to go against God. If he had known the punishment, he would not have had true free will. However, it says nowhere that Satan knew he would be sent to hell for his actions. It is only after he rebels that he is punished. The angels were created before man, and as free moral agents, some revolted against God. Therefore, God made mankind, and made him ignorant of good and evil. We didn’t gain the ability to judge good or evil until after the fall, and then God punished us for doing what he knew we would do(he’s omniscient, remember?). It’s as if God knew that once we realized the difference between good and evil as the angel’s did, we would see him for what he truly is.

I have some of the same issues. Isa 14 is a prophecy against the Babylonian King; Ez 28 is a prophecy against the King of Tyre. Many theologians are not happy with Satan not having a well laid out origin, so they take these prophecies against earthly kings and enemies of Judah and apply it to him. They also take the writings of Milton and Dante and create a whole sphere of hell not addressed in the Bible.

steveOrino