kallend 2,146 #1 March 2, 2007 So the kid (17) flew to Boston today, on American Airlines, for an audition tomorrow at New England Conservatory of Music where he wants to go to college. Unfortunately AA lost his cello. Can't find it. Wasn't on the next flight, or the next after that. Cello + bow + case approx. $20,000 And these are the folks that want to be in control of a privatized air traffic control system. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #2 March 2, 2007 Damn John, really sorry to hear about that. Don't really know what to say.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #3 March 2, 2007 Hope it turns up. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #4 March 2, 2007 QuoteHope it turns up.in one piecescissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jpjc2000 0 #5 March 2, 2007 Hope they find it in good shape. Saying baggage handlers will control ATC is almost like saying custodians will control education at schools...just makes no sense. Great diversion of facts though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #6 March 2, 2007 Lost, riiiight. That covers a multitude of sins. Even the new homeland security screeners have been known to er.. re-privatise the most valuable of travellers belongings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #7 March 2, 2007 QuoteLost, riiiight. That covers a multitude of sins. Even the new homeland security screeners have been known to er.. re-privatise the most valuable of travellers belongings. It turned up at midnight - going round and round at O'HARE BAGGAGE CLAIM. Was supposed to be in Boston. Morons! The kid's all upset, hasn't been able to practice, and he's got a big audition today. TSA IS a big part of the problem. The airlines are happy to let you "gate check" valuable items, but TSA won't allow it, even though it fits through their screening machines just fine.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 March 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteLost, riiiight. That covers a multitude of sins. Even the new homeland security screeners have been known to er.. re-privatise the most valuable of travellers belongings. It turned up at midnight - going round and round at O'HARE BAGGAGE CLAIM. Was supposed to be in Boston. Morons! The kid's all upset, hasn't been able to practice, and he's got a big audition today. TSA IS a big part of the problem. The airlines are happy to let you "gate check" valuable items, but TSA won't allow it, even though it fits through their screening machines just fine. It's incredible that it wasn't stolen. In fact, I halfway suspect it initially was, and then dumped into baggage claim as a second thought. I hope the instrument's OK. By coincidence, my older kid's going thru auditions (voice) to apply to college, too. Incredibly nerve-wracking. If she lost her sheet music, she'd go nuts. I feel for your son, and his dad. I'm sure you've already told him: He'll be fine, and he'll do great. For sure the Conservatory has a good instrument they can lend him. He's talented, and he knew his audition pieces cold before he ever got on the plane. All that's left for him to do now is go knock 'em dead. (That's basically my "dad speech" to my kid.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #9 March 2, 2007 John I am glad it turned up, yes it was most likely stolen then dumped due to being scared. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #10 March 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteLost, riiiight. That covers a multitude of sins. Even the new homeland security screeners have been known to er.. re-privatise the most valuable of travellers belongings. It turned up at midnight - going round and round at O'HARE BAGGAGE CLAIM. Was supposed to be in Boston. Morons! The kid's all upset, hasn't been able to practice, and he's got a big audition today. TSA IS a big part of the problem. The airlines are happy to let you "gate check" valuable items, but TSA won't allow it, even though it fits through their screening machines just fine. I Know! Kallend can take charge of baggage handling for all the airlines, then this kind of thing won't ever happen again (Not that hard of a job, right?). Might as well take over ATC also. Before calling people "morons" for a mistake that is to be expected from time to time, maybe you should do their job for a few weeks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #11 March 2, 2007 Fuck! Are you really defending airline baggage handling departments? Or do you just have a 'potshot on sight' policy wrt John? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #12 March 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteLost, riiiight. That covers a multitude of sins. Even the new homeland security screeners have been known to er.. re-privatise the most valuable of travellers belongings. It turned up at midnight - going round and round at O'HARE BAGGAGE CLAIM. Was supposed to be in Boston. Morons! The kid's all upset, hasn't been able to practice, and he's got a big audition today. TSA IS a big part of the problem. The airlines are happy to let you "gate check" valuable items, but TSA won't allow it, even though it fits through their screening machines just fine. I Know! Kallend can take charge of baggage handling for all the airlines, then this kind of thing won't ever happen again (Not that hard of a job, right?). Might as well take over ATC also. Before calling people "morons" for a mistake that is to be expected from time to time, maybe you should do their job for a few weeks. Ha ha. After AA finally sent it on to Boston, it got "lost" for 3 hours there. "Well, it left ORD", "Well, it's not here at BOS".... morons!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #13 March 2, 2007 QuoteHa ha. After AA finally sent it on to Boston, it got "lost" for 3 hours there. "Well, it left ORD", "Well, it's not here at BOS".... morons! Then I guess we'd better not let those baggage handlers run air traffic control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #14 March 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteHa ha. After AA finally sent it on to Boston, it got "lost" for 3 hours there. "Well, it left ORD", "Well, it's not here at BOS".... morons! Then I guess we'd better not let those baggage handlers run air traffic control. Nor the AIRLINES who hired them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #15 March 2, 2007 You blame law abiding gun owners for the actions of criminals. And now you blame air traffic controllers for the actions of baggage handlers. I think I'm beginning to see a trend in your logic... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #16 March 2, 2007 QuoteYou blame law abiding gun owners for the actions of criminals. And now you blame air traffic controllers for the actions of baggage handlers. I think I'm beginning to see a trend in your logic... I suggest you RE-READ the thread, since clearly you have misunderstood.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #17 March 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteLost, riiiight. That covers a multitude of sins. Even the new homeland security screeners have been known to er.. re-privatise the most valuable of travellers belongings. It turned up at midnight - going round and round at O'HARE BAGGAGE CLAIM. Was supposed to be in Boston. Morons! The kid's all upset, hasn't been able to practice, and he's got a big audition today. TSA IS a big part of the problem. The airlines are happy to let you "gate check" valuable items, but TSA won't allow it, even though it fits through their screening machines just fine. I Know! Kallend can take charge of baggage handling for all the airlines, then this kind of thing won't ever happen again (Not that hard of a job, right?). Might as well take over ATC also. Before calling people "morons" for a mistake that is to be expected from time to time, maybe you should do their job for a few weeks. Technically it wouldn't take much, every parcel delivery company has bar codes on everything and regular scanning. Parcel companies are the most visible manifestation of this but many large organizations do this internally as a matter of routine. You could scan every package at point of contact and even when it gets loaded into containers and the containers go on and off aircraft a simple web search could show the exact route taken and last known location if you had your luggage tag. The airline industry IS inflicted with endemic stupidity, and the politics makes it worse. A few of the right engineers could come up with a working system pronto, or you could just buy it from someone who has a system to avoid the inevitable clusterfuck governments, duelling airlines & airports would make of this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #18 March 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLost, riiiight. That covers a multitude of sins. Even the new homeland security screeners have been known to er.. re-privatise the most valuable of travellers belongings. It turned up at midnight - going round and round at O'HARE BAGGAGE CLAIM. Was supposed to be in Boston. Morons! The kid's all upset, hasn't been able to practice, and he's got a big audition today. TSA IS a big part of the problem. The airlines are happy to let you "gate check" valuable items, but TSA won't allow it, even though it fits through their screening machines just fine. I Know! Kallend can take charge of baggage handling for all the airlines, then this kind of thing won't ever happen again (Not that hard of a job, right?). Might as well take over ATC also. Before calling people "morons" for a mistake that is to be expected from time to time, maybe you should do their job for a few weeks. Technically it wouldn't take much, every parcel delivery company has bar codes on everything and regular scanning. Parcel companies are the most visible manifestation of this but many large organizations do this internally as a matter of routine. You could scan every package at point of contact and even when it gets loaded into containers and the containers go on and off aircraft a simple web search could show the exact route taken and last known location if you had your luggage tag. The airline industry IS inflicted with endemic stupidity, and the politics makes it worse. A few of the right engineers could come up with a working system pronto, or you could just buy it from someone who has a system to avoid the inevitable clusterfuck governments, duelling airlines & airports would make of this. The cello case was ordered from the UK (they make the best ones) and shipped to Chicago by UPS. Every step of the way it's position was available online - even down to the truck it was on. But American Airlines couldn't even keep track of which city it's in. And now the airlines want to control ATC. "After more than a year of intense lobbying by the nation's big airlines, the White House has decided to introduce a budget that shifts airline costs to other segments of the industry and gives airlines more control over the air traffic system. NBAA and the rest of the general aviation community will oppose this toxic mix of higher taxes, new fees and airline control. The fact is the current approach to funding and oversight of the aviation system is effective and efficient -- there is no need for radical 'fixes' like those proposed in this budget." - NBAA statement. Highlighted to assist NCc and JohnRich to understand.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #19 March 2, 2007 About a year ago I flew AA from John Wayne Airport in Orange County, CA to Las Vegas. Waiting for my flight I was standing by the window admiring all the pretty airplanes and the going ons around them. Seemingly out of nowhere a baggage cart pulling two trailers crossed the tarmac heading for it appropriate plane I'm sure. Suddenly 3 bags fell off the the second trailor. The driver, not noticing, pressed on to his destination. I thought to myself,"this is interesting. Let's see how it gets handled. It was truly one of the more defining and enlightening moments in my life. At least when it comes to airline baggage handling. Anyhow.... I watched the bags sit on the tarmac for approximately 5 minutes when another baggage cart drove by and, although heading in a different direction than the first, noticed the bags. While I expected him to drive right on by, he didn't. He stopped, looked confusedly at the bags, and unsuccessfully took a quick gander around the tarmac for the long gone baggage cart. No other baggage cart in sight, his body language said, "fuck it" and he grabbed the bags and sped off. At that point I realized that I had just witnessed the rock impacting the water that will be the source of several people's bad days. I was saddened. I did win $800 in Vegas tho! www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 March 2, 2007 That example is a win. Though he didn't want responsibility for them, he picked them up anyway. Likely dropped his stuff off as he's supposed to, and during the drive, radio'd in his find. I bet somebody was waiting at his plane to grab those bags and get them to the correct plane. If he just left them there, it's a loss. If he just threw them in with his load of bags, it's a loss. Kallend's issue is different, somebody tried to hide their error or hide their theft. Or that cello wouldn't have ended up in arriving baggage. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #21 March 2, 2007 QuoteFuck! Are you really defending airline baggage handling departments? Or do you just have a 'potshot on sight' policy wrt John? Defending their actions? Nope. Defending them from being called morons by someone who has no idea what it is like to work that job, yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #22 March 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLost, riiiight. That covers a multitude of sins. Even the new homeland security screeners have been known to er.. re-privatise the most valuable of travellers belongings. It turned up at midnight - going round and round at O'HARE BAGGAGE CLAIM. Was supposed to be in Boston. Morons! The kid's all upset, hasn't been able to practice, and he's got a big audition today. TSA IS a big part of the problem. The airlines are happy to let you "gate check" valuable items, but TSA won't allow it, even though it fits through their screening machines just fine. I Know! Kallend can take charge of baggage handling for all the airlines, then this kind of thing won't ever happen again (Not that hard of a job, right?). Might as well take over ATC also. Before calling people "morons" for a mistake that is to be expected from time to time, maybe you should do their job for a few weeks. Technically it wouldn't take much, every parcel delivery company has bar codes on everything and regular scanning. Parcel companies are the most visible manifestation of this but many large organizations do this internally as a matter of routine. You could scan every package at point of contact and even when it gets loaded into containers and the containers go on and off aircraft a simple web search could show the exact route taken and last known location if you had your luggage tag. The airline industry IS inflicted with endemic stupidity, and the politics makes it worse. A few of the right engineers could come up with a working system pronto, or you could just buy it from someone who has a system to avoid the inevitable clusterfuck governments, duelling airlines & airports would make of this. In theory it sounds good. In actual practice there are still flaws. Bar codes have to be attached somehow. They can get pull off, torn, ripped, covered over, etc. Even at it's best parcel delivery systems have errors. FedEx and UPS both strive for 100% on time delivery Both companies realize that goal is impossible to achieve. But both know they have to keep improving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #23 March 2, 2007 Sorry ishoulda made that more clear. He did in fact throw them with his load of bags.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #24 March 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLost, riiiight. That covers a multitude of sins. Even the new homeland security screeners have been known to er.. re-privatise the most valuable of travellers belongings. It turned up at midnight - going round and round at O'HARE BAGGAGE CLAIM. Was supposed to be in Boston. Morons! The kid's all upset, hasn't been able to practice, and he's got a big audition today. TSA IS a big part of the problem. The airlines are happy to let you "gate check" valuable items, but TSA won't allow it, even though it fits through their screening machines just fine. I Know! Kallend can take charge of baggage handling for all the airlines, then this kind of thing won't ever happen again (Not that hard of a job, right?). Might as well take over ATC also. Before calling people "morons" for a mistake that is to be expected from time to time, maybe you should do their job for a few weeks. Ha ha. After AA finally sent it on to Boston, it got "lost" for 3 hours there. "Well, it left ORD", "Well, it's not here at BOS".... morons! I'm sorry the kid lost his cello. I'm glad he got it back and hope he did well at his audition. The mishandling of baggage by airlines is legendary. Almost everyone who travels by air will someday experience a lost bag or parcel. I'm surprised that the people who owned the cello would allow it out of their sight. They should have talked with the airline beforehand and made arrangements for the instrument to be escorted by the owners the whole way. Some airlines will do this, some will not. Some will sell an extra ticket so the instrument can be in the seat next to the owner. Once again, to sit there and call the baggage handlers "morons" when you have no idea what the job is like is stooping pretty low. BTW, my best friend's step-son is a moron. I'm not using the term to degrade him because that is his diagnosed condition. He is in his late 20s but his mental level is that of a ten year old. One of the sweetest people I know and he would never even think of calling you names or pass judgement on you. So before calling anyone, baggage handler or not, a "moron" maybe you should spend a little time around one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #25 March 3, 2007 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388702/ Quote ‘That’s so gay’ prompts a lawsuit Student sent to principal’s office insists it was not a homophobic putdown SANTA ROSA, Calif. - When a few classmates razzed Rebekah Rice about her Mormon upbringing with questions such as, "Do you have 10 moms?" she shot back: "That's so gay." Those three words landed the high school freshman in the principal's office and resulted in a lawsuit that raises this question: When do playground insults used every day all over America cross the line into hate speech that must be stamped out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
