immunisation

[philh 0]

I was at dinner the other night with a friend of mine and we talked of our time in Africa.My friend said she wouldnt get yellow fever immunisation (as is required) becasue she is against immunisation on principle. I found this utterly amazing given the huge success in combatting disease that immunisation have had. Is this view widespread? I seriously hope not.

[shropshire 0]

What was the principle that she is against?

Is he against killing viruses? If so, does she ever wash her hands?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[philh 0]

She is into naturopathy that utterly bizarre notion that things that are natural are good and things that are unnatural are bad. Immunisation being unnatural is thereofre bad and should be opposed.

[Andy9o8 2]

Immunization is the stimulation of the production of antibodies, which is a natural process. If I wanted to be philosophical about it, I might say that immunization as a practice of modern medicine it is the product of the human intellect, and that's natural, too. In any event, your friend has a closed mind, and if you waste your time trying to talk her out of her voodoo and chicken lips, your head will explode.

[base428 1]

Immunizations are a big business and drug companies lobby hard for laws that require them. Many immunizations in the USA today are unnecessary because the only cases that exist come from a complication related to the immunization process itself. On the other hand, most immunizations are good.

I have a two year old daughter and we've only immunized her with what is required for her to go to school. Unfortunately, my state won't take exceptions for medical or religious reasons (1 of only 2 states in the US that does this). I performed a lot of research on immunizations in the USA shortly after she was born.

I find it unacceptable that kids are getting the Hep-B vaccination at BIRTH. Hep-B is mainly transmitted by sharing needles or sex.

Mainly, I feel that immunization laws are polluted by greedy drug companies and the politicians that are lobbied by them. I also have two younger brothers who are 16 and 14 and they've never been immunized. No problems so far.

Just do a simple search on "thimerosal" and you'll see that all immunizations are not perfect. Here are a few good articles:

Deadly Immunity
The great thimerosal cover-up.

Immunizations are good, but corporate greed is complicating the system.

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[shortyj 0]

I agree. I try to avoid allopathic medicine if at all possible. I wish i had done more research before giving doctors permission to put toxins into the system. It a personal choice I would ask what is in the vac then see if you even want that in your body. If you are serious about not doing a vac and are going to a place where that is a concern do study for yourself what natural rememides are there for you to use.

Playtime is essential.

[Gene03 0]

But doctors are gods and know everything and, and, and.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[shropshire 0]

Weird - but it takes all sorts to make the world go around.


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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[shortyj 0]

Not knocking doctors I think they want to help but their traning is in handing out medicine and cutting parts out of people. Have you ever once went to the doctor and not received a prescription?

Playtime is essential.

[shropshire 0]

Yes.... several times.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[shortyj 0]

Do you live in the us

Playtime is essential.

[philh 0]

When you say allopathic medicine do you mean medicine that is based upon evidence as opposed to medicine that is based upon gut feeling?
What do you mean by toxins? Everything is toxic given a large enough dose, similarly everyhting has no toxicity given a small enough dose.
I would reccomend checking out the society of toxicologys web site:
http://www.toxicology.org/AI/EO/principl.asp

you will see in bold letter this quote from Paracelsus
"All substances are poisons: there is none which is not a poison. The right dose differentiates a poison and a remedy"

Why is something natural necessarily good? Ricin is natuarrly occuring substance would you prefer that to a synthetic "allopathic" medicine?
looking at what is in the vaccine is not necessarily relevant. Many things have posinous ingredients that are in a low enough dose that they dont matter. What one should do is assess the relevant statistics on a vacines safety and its risk factors.

[Gene03 0]

Paracelsus was a slave and was kept around for the amusement and benifit of his masters. Look what happened to Socrates when he crossed the line.
The "all medicine is a poison, all poisons are medicine" is the root of the problem.
God man, how many years ago was that and we still haven't learned anything?

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[warpedskydiver 0]

STFU and quit making sense ok?

[Gene03 0]

Does anyone else know that herbal medicine was the norm until the pharma companies started to isolate the active ingredients (in their infinite wisdom) and produce them in a chemical reactor?
Not a problem, right?
Wrong.
God/nature/Creation/fsm produces left handed molecues, reactor compounds are mostly right handed and don't fit the receptors. They have to be eliminated or stored in your body. Neither of which is to your benefit.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[warpedskydiver 0]

Hey if you take out the profit margin nobody will ever be cured.

[ExAFO 0]

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I was at dinner the other night with a friend of mine and we talked of our time in Africa.My friend said she wouldnt get yellow fever immunisation (as is required) becasue she is against immunisation on principle. I found this utterly amazing given the huge success in combatting disease that immunisation have had. Is this view widespread? I seriously hope not.

Fuck them. Let their stupidity kill them prior to them contaminating the gene pool.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[shortyj 0]

Allopathic western medicine like here in the us that M.D. prescribe the FDA will says a med is safe and then 2 Yrs. later pull it Most of the studies to say that a drug is safe is done by that drug company that is trying to sell it. It has many side effects. I mean medicine is supposed to make you well not produce more complications than you already have. Allopathic med. treats syptoms and not the cause. For ex. you have a horrible cough you go to the doctor he gives you a cough suppressent. o.k. well coughing is your bodys way of trying to expel something that should not be there. So the doctor didn't find out what was causing the cough which is way more important. And yes you are right about some of the poisons alot of homeopathic med. are made with stuff that if you were to ingest it you would likely die, but it is diluted so much that it dosen't. Homeopathic med. also are safe and have no known or little side effects. It is much more gentle on the body.


I'm not a doctor. Just my 2 cents

Playtime is essential.

[ExAFO 0]

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I agree. I try to avoid allopathic medicine if at all possible. I wish i had done more research before giving doctors permission to put toxins into the system. It a personal choice I would ask what is in the vac then see if you even want that in your body. If you are serious about not doing a vac and are going to a place where that is a concern do study for yourself what natural rememides are there for you to use.

If that's your stance, Please do not use any public funds to obtain treatment when/if you contract a disease that an immunization would have prevented.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Hey I went to the VA and the doctor asked why I have not been sleeping well.

My answer is that I hurt bad enough in my joints taht I cannot stay comfortable so I toss and turn regardless of the bed I sleep on.


Her answer is that I have a dopamine deficiency and that I need to take a dopamine antagonist, and said I must have sleep apnea.

I think she doesn't know her ass fron a tea cup.

BTW there were no tests done to verify her diagnosis.

[Gene03 0]

Don't make me come down there and go SC on your ass.
Greenies relax.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[kallend 2,150]

Immunizations, flush toilets, and clean drinking water have done more to raise human life expectancy than all the MD's ever minted.

IMO.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Gene03 0]

Shorty,
I agree with most of your statements but the last one.
Real herbal medicine is full of herbal ingredients which have withstood the test of time, because they work. They can't be patented though.
Hippocrates said it best many years ago; "Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food". Yes, I know he's an old, useless dead white male.
Many herbal products are so watered down so they are ineffective.
Look in any health food store, row upon row of expensive "standardized" useless shot of vodka.
There is as much bullshit in the herbal industry as there is in the medical community. Think profit margin.
You really have to sort through the bs to find any truth.
Isn't freedom of choice what it's all about instead of the Nanny State TELLING you that it's good for you?

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[ExAFO 0]

With most herbal treatments (I refuse to call them medicine) you could save the trip to the mall by just flushing your money down the toilet. You'd have the same effects on your body.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[shortyj 0]

Yep so she gave you drugs did it work?

Playtime is essential.