Lucky... 0 #1 February 28, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070227/ap_on_go_co/congress_security_9 WASHINGTON - President Bush and his Senate allies will kill a Sept. 11 antiterror bill if Congress sends it to the White House with a provision to let airport screeners unionize, the White House and 36 Republicans said Tuesday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #2 February 28, 2007 Quotehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070227/ap_on_go_co/congress_security_9 WASHINGTON - President Bush and his Senate allies will kill a Sept. 11 antiterror bill if Congress sends it to the White House with a provision to let airport screeners unionize, the White House and 36 Republicans said Tuesday. Yep, that's just what we need- airport security personel threatening to go on strike over Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays. Some job sectors are good places for unions, airport security isn't one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #3 February 28, 2007 Willard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #4 February 28, 2007 QuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #5 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. The AFL-CIO is desperate for membership. In the late '50s union members comprised app. 35% of the private workforce. Today that number is at 7% and dropping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #6 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. My GF works for the Sheriff and they had a pay cut once and went with no payraise for years, yes no exadgeration, years. To have no pay raise is a psy cut as the cost of living increases, so include no pay raises in there too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. The AFL-CIO is desperate for membership. In the late '50s union members comprised app. 35% of the private workforce. Today that number is at 7% and dropping. Don't worry, if your Nazi i Chief keeps trying tax medical care and the sort, they'll be making a strong resurgence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #8 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. The AFL-CIO is desperate for membership. In the late '50s union members comprised app. 35% of the private workforce. Today that number is at 7% and dropping. Don't worry, if your Nazi i Chief keeps trying tax medical care and the sort, they'll be making a strong resurgence. Are you calling me a Nazi???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #9 February 28, 2007 QuoteWASHINGTON - President Bush and his Senate allies will kill a Sept. 11 antiterror bill if Congress sends it to the White House with a provision to let airport screeners unionize, the White House and 36 Republicans said Tuesday. I guess you would like cops and firemen to strike? How about ATC? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdamLanes 1 #10 February 28, 2007 I don't know what a GS employee is, but I'll tell you my experience With Unions. I was a member of the IBEW local 177. They refused to let the members read the proposed contract before they had us vote on whether or not to accept the new contract. They gave a 10 minute power-point presentation that left me asking some questions including what was happening to my annuity and vacation. They then reluctantly told us that in fact we were losing our annuity and vacation, but we we're better off with the new contract anyway because we got an extra $0.35 an hour in our pockets and two extra holidays. Well I called them all liars because they took away my cost of living raise and I lost more with the new contract than I gained. The union constantly sided with the contractor when the contractor did not comply with the terms of "my" working agreement. Once I called the union hall with a grievance about safety conditions on the job, and some old timer told me he didn't understand why I needed safety equipment, because he didn't have it when he was an apprentice. Anyway, one of my biggest concerns with unions is that people don't get paid what they're worth, I mean there is no reward for productivity, and the union is like an obstacle for dealing with management. I now work non-union and make more money than I ever did with the Union. I will be anti-union till I die. Fuck the IBEW! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #11 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. My GF works for the Sheriff and they had a pay cut once and went with no payraise for years, yes no exadgeration, years. To have no pay raise is a psy cut as the cost of living increases, so include no pay raises in there too. As the Sheriff isn't a federal workforce... ...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #12 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. The AFL-CIO is desperate for membership. In the late '50s union members comprised app. 35% of the private workforce. Today that number is at 7% and dropping. Don't worry, if your Nazi i Chief keeps trying tax medical care and the sort, they'll be making a strong resurgence. Are you calling me a Nazi???? No, your Nazi in chief, meaning Bush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #13 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteWASHINGTON - President Bush and his Senate allies will kill a Sept. 11 antiterror bill if Congress sends it to the White House with a provision to let airport screeners unionize, the White House and 36 Republicans said Tuesday. I guess you would like cops and firemen to strike? How about ATC? I think all workers should be able to strike, but more sensitive positions must give a short advance warning of that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #14 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. My GF works for the Sheriff and they had a pay cut once and went with no payraise for years, yes no exadgeration, years. To have no pay raise is a psy cut as the cost of living increases, so include no pay raises in there too. As the Sheriff isn't a federal workforce... ... Sure, it's obviously county, but I thought you were talking any gov employee. Either way, all workers should be able to strike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #15 February 28, 2007 Cat Butt. Cat. Butt. "Cat Butt!"Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. My GF works for the Sheriff and they had a pay cut once and went with no payraise for years, yes no exadgeration, years. To have no pay raise is a psy cut as the cost of living increases, so include no pay raises in there too. And she's a GS-what? What rate and step?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. The AFL-CIO is desperate for membership. In the late '50s union members comprised app. 35% of the private workforce. Today that number is at 7% and dropping. Don't worry, if your Nazi i Chief keeps trying tax medical care and the sort, they'll be making a strong resurgence. QuoteThe strongest proof that you AREN'T living in a Fascist country is the fact that you can call it one. - UnknownMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #18 February 28, 2007 And you support government managers spending extra time dealing with government workers' unions vice doing their jobs...why, exactly? How about the Left showing some real respect for workers' rights and pushing for laws that would make it easier for workers to disestablish unions in existing shops and actually support the rights of workers NOT to join unions. They won't do so, because they only suppor the rights of workers to do things amenable to the left, such as give portions of their salaries to unions, who will in turn give that money to left leaning candidates, regardless of the will of those whose money is being taken. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #19 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. My GF works for the Sheriff and they had a pay cut once and went with no payraise for years, yes no exadgeration, years. To have no pay raise is a psy cut as the cost of living increases, so include no pay raises in there too. As the Sheriff isn't a federal workforce... ... Sure, it's obviously county, but I thought you were talking any gov employee. Either way, all workers should be able to strike. GS is the common name inside the beltway (aka Government Service) Even ATCs? How about the military? Police too? Firemen?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #20 February 28, 2007 Usually when a person or group threatens financial or physical harm to another person or group in order to force them to give them money or favors it is refered to as extortion. The unions can get away with it because they are made an exception under federal law. Strikes are just a form of extortion. Some have a minimal effect on the economy, others can have effects that reach far beyond anything directly involving the striking workers. Just try to imagine the impact to not only the local economy, but the nations economy if, say, screeners at all NYC airports went on strike. The economic impact to the nation in one day would far outweigh any benefits those workers could ever recover. As far as Bush being a Nazi.... lets just say that he may be an asshat, a jerk, moron, idiot, etc. But since you obviously have no idea what a Nazi is it doesn't make much sense for you to refer to him as such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armour666 0 #21 February 28, 2007 ya and the fact you can take all the training you want on your own time and it wont help you one bit because seneroity is more important then skills.SO this one time at band camp..... "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #22 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. My GF works for the Sheriff and they had a pay cut once and went with no payraise for years, yes no exadgeration, years. To have no pay raise is a psy cut as the cost of living increases, so include no pay raises in there too. And she's a GS-what? What rate and step? She's a county government employee. It appears that the oh so liberating and worrying of others rights to have free reign in this great country want to eliminate the right to strike, rendering the freedom to the employers and government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #23 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWillard old buddy, where ya been? Yea, instead they should have no strike rights and if the TSA wants to lower their pay - fuck em. Find me one GS employee, or department that has had their wages lowered...ever. The AFL-CIO is desperate for membership. In the late '50s union members comprised app. 35% of the private workforce. Today that number is at 7% and dropping. Don't worry, if your Nazi i Chief keeps trying tax medical care and the sort, they'll be making a strong resurgence. QuoteThe strongest proof that you AREN'T living in a Fascist country is the fact that you can call it one. - Unknown No, neo-fascism doesn't care about silly little monikers like crosses, names, labels, they just want to control labor and allow the corps to write laws. So this isn't Mousolini Fascism, it's neo-fascism. The best example of that is the busting of unions, the merging of major corporations and a myriad of other goodies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #24 February 28, 2007 The relative stability of government employment beats the hell out of the unpredictability of the free market. Not getting a pay hike in a while beats the shit out of being laid off because the boss wants to cut a few salaries so he can buy his wife a new set of diamond studded ben-wah balls...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 February 28, 2007 QuoteQuote QuoteThe strongest proof that you AREN'T living in a Fascist country is the fact that you can call it one. - Unknown No, neo-fascism doesn't care about silly little monikers like crosses, names, labels, they just want to control labor and allow the corps to write laws. So this isn't Mousolini Fascism, it's neo-fascism. The best example of that is the busting of unions, the merging of major corporations and a myriad of other goodies. Please show me a list of laws authored by corporations. Thanks.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
