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kallend 2,147
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo it's okay to commute (solo) in a 12mpg behemoth SUV, if you buy pollution credits?
According toGOP philosophyLiberal hypocrisy, yes.
There you go.
What do you think Bush is referring to when he says "cap and trade"?
The trading of pollution credits started in 1974 under GOP President Nixon. It was enthusiatically expanded under GOP President G.H.W. Bush in 1990.
I guess it's only good when GOP supporters do it.
The hypocrisy of the GOP over this is just incredible.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
billvon 3,114
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> So it's okay to commute (solo) in a 12mpg behemoth SUV, if you buy pollution credits?
If you're carrying two mowers and a pile of tarps - absolutely. That's what they are designed for.
If your commute is up a logging road - definitely. They're also designed for that.
If you're driving in LA and run your vehicle on biodiesel or ethanol - not much of a problem.
If you generate more energy at your home than you use in the vehicle - also not much of a problem.
The issue is not "you can't use energy." That's a strawman. The issue is that you have to use energy responsibly, and try to balance what you use. If you use lots, generate lots of clean energy (or pay someone else to generate it cleanly.)
If you're carrying two mowers and a pile of tarps - absolutely. That's what they are designed for.
If your commute is up a logging road - definitely. They're also designed for that.
If you're driving in LA and run your vehicle on biodiesel or ethanol - not much of a problem.
If you generate more energy at your home than you use in the vehicle - also not much of a problem.
The issue is not "you can't use energy." That's a strawman. The issue is that you have to use energy responsibly, and try to balance what you use. If you use lots, generate lots of clean energy (or pay someone else to generate it cleanly.)
You do have a knack for using obscure exceptions to distract from an obvious point, which in this case was about using energy irresponsibly. 
billvon 3,114
> You do have a knack for using obscure exceptions to distract from an obvious point
Of course! Anything that does not support your point is an "obscure exception." If you lived around here, you'd see a lot of old SUV's and light trucks driving workers, landscaping equipment and deliveries around; those are not the problem. You also see a lot of single driver SUV's driven by people who do nothing to mitigate their impact (going purely by the numbers) - that _is_ a problem.
Of course! Anything that does not support your point is an "obscure exception." If you lived around here, you'd see a lot of old SUV's and light trucks driving workers, landscaping equipment and deliveries around; those are not the problem. You also see a lot of single driver SUV's driven by people who do nothing to mitigate their impact (going purely by the numbers) - that _is_ a problem.
QuoteIf you lived around here, you'd see a lot of old SUV's and light trucks driving workers, landscaping equipment and deliveries around; those are not the problem.
My question was about single passenger SUV commuters.
not landscaping crews, delivery people or people who need a large vehicle as part of their job.
QuoteBack then, it was still okay to drive the Corvette with a 427 big block on leaded fuel.
Hey, it's still okay to drive a 427bb Vette on leaded fuel (lead additive, Sunoco or Citgo racing fuel or Avgas). If someone insist on telling you different, put your fingers in your ears and loudly make big block engine sounds as if you are taking it down the street pedal to the metal....Vrooooooooooom, errrrrf (second gear scratch), Vroooooooooooooom, errrrrrf (third gear scratch), Vrooooooooooooooooom, errrrrrf (fourth gear scratch), Vrooooooooooooooom and gone...
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
rehmwa 2
Quote> You also see a lot of single driver SUV's driven by people who do nothing to mitigate their impact (going purely by the numbers) - that _is_ a problem.
no it's not. they paid for the vehicle, they paid for the gas - just like Al Gore and his "carbon credits", if you have the money you can do what you like.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
ExAFO 0
Cat Butt.
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.
billvon 3,114
>no it's not. they paid for the vehicle, they paid for the gas . . .
. . . and if they paid for the damage their gasoline usage causes, I'd agree with you. Right now it's a freebie. It's like tossing your garbage over the fence, then patting yourself on the back for saving money on your garbage hauler. Only works until your neighbor gets fed up with you.
. . . and if they paid for the damage their gasoline usage causes, I'd agree with you. Right now it's a freebie. It's like tossing your garbage over the fence, then patting yourself on the back for saving money on your garbage hauler. Only works until your neighbor gets fed up with you.
I guess it's okay for me to subscribe to five daily newspapers since I recycle.
rehmwa 2
Quote>no it's not. they paid for the vehicle, they paid for the gas . . .
. . . and if they paid for the damage their gasoline usage causes, I'd agree with you.
that's one opinion
the real solution is to come up with a marketable alternate that's (direct) cost equivalent or better rather than costing more
if we build it, they will buy it
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
ExAFO 0
I think we should breed giant (like horse size) housecats to pull stagecoaches, instead of driving.
Oh, wait...we've got horses for that.
nevermind...
Oh, wait...we've got horses for that.
nevermind...
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.
Back then, it was still okay to drive the Corvette with a 427 big block on leaded fuel. Things have changed significantly since then. Solar power was primarily the province of the space program back then.
The point is not that Al Gore's actions/inactions are unacceptable by those who criticize him for it. Indeed, I find Al Gore's actions/inactions perfectly acceptable! I have no personal qualms with what he does. Think of it like people who use drugs - I have no problem with it. It's your body.
Al Gore/environmentalism is comparable to Rush Limbaugh/drug abuse. I agreed with you completely when you wrote:
cite: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=713470#713470
How is Limbaugh's self-righteousness, sanctimoniousness and hypocrisy different from Gore's? (Don't say "illegality" - you said you forgive him for the act itself. You just don't forgive him for his tartuffery.) They aren't.
You, like I, despise it when people say one thing and do the opposite. We hate it even more when these people have audiences.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
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