Does anyone here (besides me) think this is ominous?

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Well its cheaper to hire Indians anyway

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Well, it seems many of us DZdotcommers are tired of the USA being a world power. This looks like it might help, unless the Indians come over here lik ethe Germans did.

Just becuase we point things out doesn't mean we advocate them.

Personally, I'm tired of USA being the "super power" Let someone else nanny the world.

Which is exactly how I feel. The starving kids in _________. The fighting between the ___________ and the _____________. I just don't care. This war of futility has cost us > 1/2 trillion and out debt is 8.7 trillion, that is substantial. We are supposedly there to liberate the Iraqis after we fucked up and invaded their country in error, I don't want to be responsible for every lost lamb, country with an evil dictator or any other poor country.

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Bush has the political drive to do things too.

http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=86486

Monday, February 06, 2006
Bush budget cuts education

President Bush proposed shrinking federal spending on education by more $3 billion in his new budget proposal released Feb. 6, but he also wants to launch new initiatives to strengthen math and science achievement and reform America's high schools.
The largest source of federal education aid to states, the $12.7 billion Title I program for low-income students, would receive no new funding under the president's proposed budget for fiscal year 2007, which begins Oct. 1. Title I accounts for about half of federal spending to implement the 2002 federal No Child Left Behind (NCLB) Act, which aims to close achievement gaps and get all students to read and do math at grade level by 2014.
Bush proposed a 4.6 percent increase -- about $1 billion -- for new NCLB programs, including $200 million in school improvement grants to help states meet NCLB goals. The new money also would fund initiatives aimed at boosting America's international competitiveness in math and science and extending NCLB requirements into high school.
Last week Bush announced in his State of the Union address his intentions to focus on math and science achievement by creating the "American Competitiveness Initiative." The initiative includes $250 million for elementary school programs intended to boost math achievement and $90 million to train 70,000 additional teachers for math, science and foreign language "advanced placement," or AP, courses that help high school students qualify for college credits.
"This budget request will enable us to continue to deliver results for all children under No Child Left Behind, and it tackles our vital priority to improve our global competitiveness by targeting achievement in math and science,” U.S. Education Secretary Margaret Spellings said in a telephone news conference.
The overall federal education budget would be cut by $3.1 billion, or 5.5 percent from 2006 levels. Much of the cuts would come from scrapping 42 education programs totaling $3.5 billion, including:
- programs for the arts,
- state grants for vocational education,
- Perkins loans for low-income college students and the
- Even Start literacy program for poor families.
However, Congress rejected cutting most of these programs when Bush requested their elimination last year. Congress cut only five of the 48 programs Bush slated for elimination in last year's budget proposal.
Bush also asked for $100 million to offer expanded tutoring and vouchers to attend private schools for students in chronically failing schools, an iniative that Congress rejected in 2001. Congress also rejected a similar proposal by Bush last year to extend NCLB testing requirements into high school last year.
“I’m frustrated to see education proposals that the Senate rejected 99-0 last year,” said former West Virginia Gov. Bob Wise (D), president of Alliance for Excellent Education, a Washington, D.C.-based research group that advocates tougher education standards.
The gap between what states are expected to achieve under NCLB and what the federal government is willing to fund would increase if Congress were to approve Bush's budget, said Jack Jennings, president of the nonpartisan Center on Education Policy (CEP) in Washington D.C., which has done extensive studies on NCLB. In a recent analysis of Title I allocations, CEP found that the growing number of school districts that are failing under NCLB has resulted in less Title I money getting to the nation's neediest school districts.
"At a time when expectations for states and school districts are at their highest under the No Child Left Behind Act, the President’s investment in education is headed in the opposite direction," Jennings contended.

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And you think this is bad - why, exactly?

Please explain why you think the Federal and not state and local governments should be the leader here.

He cut the NSF in the '06 budget, which I didn't like. He also proposed several education programs be eliminated that had shown to be ineffective, with leftists screaming to high heaven about his doing so. Cutting programs that don't work is a good thing. Those decrying such have no credibility when discussing the federal budget.

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Another symptom of the problem with today's society:
Study: College Students More Narcissistic

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Today's college students are more narcissistic and self-centered than their predecessors, according to a comprehensive new study by five psychologists who worry that the trend could be harmful to personal relationships and American society.

"We need to stop endlessly repeating 'You're special' and having children repeat that back," said the study's lead author, Professor Jean Twenge of San Diego State University. "Kids are self-centered enough already."

The study asserts that narcissists "are more likely to have romantic relationships that are short-lived, at risk for infidelity, lack emotional warmth, and to exhibit game-playing, dishonesty, and over-controlling and violent behaviors."

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Another symptom of the problem with today's society:
Study: College Students More Narcissistic

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Today's college students are more narcissistic and self-centered than their predecessors, according to a comprehensive new study by five psychologists who worry that the trend could be harmful to personal relationships and American society.

"We need to stop endlessly repeating 'You're special' and having children repeat that back," said the study's lead author, Professor Jean Twenge of San Diego State University. "Kids are self-centered enough already."

The study asserts that narcissists "are more likely to have romantic relationships that are short-lived, at risk for infidelity, lack emotional warmth, and to exhibit game-playing, dishonesty, and over-controlling and violent behaviors."

But...but.... telling them that and making them actually LEARN might crush their delicate, flower-like little egos!!!

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Another symptom of the problem with today's society:
Study: College Students More Narcissistic

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Today's college students are more narcissistic and self-centered than their predecessors, according to a comprehensive new study by five psychologists who worry that the trend could be harmful to personal relationships and American society.

"We need to stop endlessly repeating 'You're special' and having children repeat that back," said the study's lead author, Professor Jean Twenge of San Diego State University. "Kids are self-centered enough already."

The study asserts that narcissists "are more likely to have romantic relationships that are short-lived, at risk for infidelity, lack emotional warmth, and to exhibit game-playing, dishonesty, and over-controlling and violent behaviors."

But...but.... telling them that and making them actually LEARN might crush their delicate, flower-like little egos!!!

Just occasionally I agree with you.

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Doesn't bother me...someone creative has to manage those engineers, who usually can't see past their laptops!


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Creative managers - there's an oxymoron right up there with honest lawyers.

...And overworked professors...

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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21 months ago I graduated with a Bachelor's Degree in Computer Science. It's easier to tell people that I'm an engineer (even though that's not really true, but I AM a technical person). The majority of my class was composed of American students. 9 months ago I graduated with my Master's Degree in Computer Science. I had a few classes where out of 15-30 people I was the ONLY American student. I remember my Chinese professor singling me out one day asking me if the term "ad hoc" is a common term used in every day English. Being a white American male, I never experienced the effects of being a minority member in anything until graduate school. Because of this I have a large group of Indian friends, which I find relevant given the chart posted. I would say that most American students get to pick their own majors and careers (well, you know what I mean; if I got to pick, I'd be a Playboy photographer or Vida Guerra's lotion boy). In typical Indian society, their education and career path is chosen for them. In junior high, they start down an educational path that is very difficult to alter. Engineering is a very respected career in India, a culture which highly regards education. Undergraduate education is done well in India, China I'm not so sure. However, their graduate education is supposed to be highly lacking in comparison to ours, which leads to a highly-competitive population of graduated Indians doing everything they can do attend graduate education in America.

I work for a company started by a couple of Indian men that (at a rough guess) hires more Indian employees than other races. Our development team is in India, but the turnover rate is so high (because the name of the company you work for is more important than the work you do) that we can't get many steady high-quality developers. In my experience in software development, they may produce more engineers (because their population is higher, and they don't necessarily get to pick) but definitely not at the same level of quality.

My opinion is that we let people get away with taking the easy path too often. Being a single male, I'd give money to find a pretty girl that had a real education and some responsibility (Women that are *please* don't flame me, I just haven't met you :P). Most of my friends have technical educations and we notice time and time again that people flaunt degrees where reading a graph was the most difficult thing they ever did. I know a lot of teachers that gave up because 2/3 of the class didn't do the assignment, so the due date got pushed back.

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Yes, but I think per capita basis might be slightly more relevant....

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