smiles 0 #1 February 25, 2007 http://time-blog.com/middle_east/2007/02/jesus_tales_from_the_crypt.html#comments QuoteFebruary 23, 2007 6:55 Jesus: Tales from the Crypt Posted by Tim McGirk | Comments (1409) | Permalink | Trackbacks (0) | Email This Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity. In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith-- and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene. No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true. Let's go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua. Israel's prominent archeologist Professor Amos Kloner didn't associate the crypt with the New Testament Jesus. His father, after all, was a humble carpenter who couldn't afford a luxury crypt for his family. And all were common Jewish names. There was also this little inconvenience that a few miles away, in the old city of Jerusalem, Christians for centuries had been worshipping the empty tomb of Christ at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Christ's resurrection, after all, is the main foundation of the faith, proof that a boy born to a carpenter's wife in a manger is the Son of God. But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family. Ever the showman, (Why does this remind me of the impresario in another movie,"King Kong", whose hubris blinds him to the dangers of an angry and very large ape?) Cameron is holding a New York press conference on Monday at which he will reveal three coffins, supposedly those of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. News about the film, which will be shown soon on Discovery Channel, Britain's Channel 4, Canada's Vision, and Israel's Channel 8, has been a hot blog topic in the Middle East (check out a personal favorite: Israelity Bites) Here in the Holy Land, Biblical Archeology is a dangerous profession. This 90-minute documentary is bound to outrage Christians and stir up a titanic debate between believers and skeptics. Stay tuned. --Tim McGirk/Jerusalem SMileseustress. : a positive form of stress having a beneficial effect on health, motivation, performance, and emotional well-being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #2 February 26, 2007 I'm a little curious as to where James Cameron can find "DNA evidence" to authenticate whether or not a family of bodies that has been entombed for thousands of years can be THE holy family. Please understand that I don't particularly hold to the story of the Resurrection either and I'm familiar with the arguments about Judaism, Mithraism, and early Christianity adapting from a Jewish sect to a Gentile religion. But where did Cameron get his "DNA evidence" from ? The Imperial Roman DMV perhaps ?? Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livetofall 0 #3 February 26, 2007 Thats what has me laughing. What a goof. So does he plan on asking Jesus to show up for a DNA test? Since there is noone proven to be kin of Jesus of Nazareth what would they have to compare to? Just shows how many retard boob tube droolers there are that hear a powerword like "DNA" and would even bother to watch, and why once again CNN stands for the communist news network..anything to opiate the masses against jesuit religion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #4 February 26, 2007 http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tomb/tomb.html?dcitc=w99-502-ah-1024 the lost tomb of jesus http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-25-2007/0004533934&EDATE= Discovery Channel's The Lost Tomb of Jesus Reveals New Scientific Evidence Supporting Possible Find of Jesus Family Tomb QuoteThe film presents the latest evidence from world-renowned experts in Aramaic script, ancient DNA analysis, forensics, archaeology and statistics. Among the major discoveries chronicled in the program is new evidence that Jesus and Mary Magdalene, also known as "Mariamene e Mara," may have had a son named Judah. ----- - Leading epigraphers agree about the text inscriptions; - Expert archaeologists confirm the nature of the finds and their historical relevance; - The tomb contains a mysterious symbol over the entrance found on other Christian artifacts; and - A statistical study concludes that the odds - on the most conservative basis - are 600 to 1 in favor of this being the Jesus family tomb. Dr. Carney Matheson from the Paleo-DNA Laboratory at Lakehead University in Ontario, Canada, conducted a mitochondrial DNA analysis on microscopic bits of matter recovered from the "Jesus son of Joseph" and "Mariamene e Mara" ossuaries. The test genetically concludes that the two were not maternally related. Given that this was a family burial place reserved for spouses and blood relations, it is possible to deduce that they were a couple. SMiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #5 February 26, 2007 QuoteThats what has me laughing. What a goof. So does he plan on asking Jesus to show up for a DNA test? Since there is noone proven to be kin of Jesus of Nazareth what would they have to compare to? Just shows how many retard boob tube droolers there are that hear a powerword like "DNA" and would even bother to watch, and why once again CNN stands for the communist news network..anything to opiate the masses against jesuit religion. Why does YOUR failure to understand make HIM a "goof"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 February 26, 2007 Quote So does he plan on asking Jesus to show up for a DNA test? Since there is noone proven to be kin of Jesus of Nazareth what would they have to compare to? I would like them to compare it to that of the guy in France they claim is the last Scion. It would shut one of them up or really set the shit storm off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #7 February 26, 2007 My own favourite "Tales From The Crypt" has to be "Bordello of Blood"! The bit where the heroes storm the vampire lair with water pistols to "Ballroom-Blitz" by The Sweet really gets me where I laugh. Mike. Edited to add another link - me being such a fan of The Doctor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAlJDKjpiOk Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #8 February 26, 2007 QuoteMy own favourite "Tales From The Crypt" has to be "Bordello of Blood"! The bit where the heroes storm the vampire lair with water pistols to "Ballroom-Blitz" by The Sweet really gets me where I laugh. Mike. Edited to add another link - me being such a fan of The Doctor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAlJDKjpiOk Unfortunately we can't get The Doctor on my local cable. I watched the very first (William Hartnell) episode back in '63.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #9 February 26, 2007 QuoteQuote.... me being such a fan of The Doctor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAlJDKjpiOk Unfortunately we can't get The Doctor on my local cable. I watched the very first (William Hartnell) episode back in '63. I wasn't all that much of a fan of The Doctor.... Until The 9th and 10th Doctor, Christopher Ecclestone & David Tennant (and of course the frankly irreplaceable Billie Piper). FINALLY the Fx and production values do justice to the exceptionally sharp scripts! If Y'All get chance to see them (I think they're being shown in Canada), then Take it! Unfortunately, I suspect that they'll be very marginal in America. Some of the episodes feature a heroic American Homer-Sex-You-All in a major role. Never mind the monsters, that'll REALLY scare your Bible-Belt TV execs! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #10 February 27, 2007 "Paging Chuteless, Paging Chuteless, we are in need of a dogmatic Fundie rant..."Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #11 February 27, 2007 Quote Unfortunately we can't get The Doctor on my local cable. On youtube search for: doctor who part 1 The other parts should also get linked if you see an episode you like (and you can click on the poster to get them too) episode names should help your search, you can also look up an episode guide online and search for specific episodes. For example: doctor who dalek 2005 part Also try searching for: Torchwood Part 1 The first episode will come up searching for: torchwood everything changes I like it almost as much as the new Dr Who. You're in for a treat. I've seen them all :-( It's best to watch them in order. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #12 February 27, 2007 Stolen from Jay Leno's Tonight Show... "We can't tell who the father of Anna Nicole Smiths' child is." How the hell... fill in the blanks people.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #13 February 27, 2007 Yep, Christians and Muslims are all Jews, I guess. Pat Robertson will be Pat Isaacson. Osama bin Laden is now Osama Ben Stern. Father O'Flanigan is not Rabbi O'Rosen. Very interesting indeed. Cirvumcision is gonna be some big business, no pun intended. L'Chayim! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livetofall 0 #14 February 27, 2007 Quote Why does YOUR failure to understand make HIM a "goof"? Tell me thats sarcasm. Its not? Well since you understand him, I guess youll be on that spaceship with great master Ron L Hubbard. Really Kallend, I got some alien droppings I found in the Mojave desert you might want to buy before the price skyrockets. Thats Ok though we love it when people like you move to America and buy shit like this Cameron is selling..its the American dream,,,free enterprise..hey if they'll buy it, we'll sell it. Maybe you can tell me how many people didnt realize the Davinci Code was a novel not a biography. As Carlos Mecia would say...Dee dee dee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #15 February 27, 2007 QuoteQuote Why does YOUR failure to understand make HIM a "goof"? Tell me thats sarcasm. Its not? Well since you understand him, I guess youll be on that spaceship with great master Ron L Hubbard. Really Kallend, I got some alien droppings I found in the Mojave desert you might want to buy before the price skyrockets. Thats Ok though we love it when people like you move to America and buy shit like this Cameron is selling..its the American dream,,,free enterprise..hey if they'll buy it, we'll sell it. Maybe you can tell me how many people didnt realize the Davinci Code was a novel not a biography. As Carlos Mecia would say...Dee dee dee QED.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #16 February 27, 2007 QuoteThats Ok though we love it when people like you move to America and buy shit like this Cameron is selling..its the American dream,,,free enterprise..hey if they'll buy it, we'll sell it. the film on discovery channel is free to watch, - no purchase is made. My understanding is Tombs with the names The Virgin Mary, Jesus of Nazareth, Mary Magdalene and Judas, their son, are found and an investigation is made. It is the central tenet of Christian faith that, some time around 30 AD, Jesus of Nazareth rose from the dead three days after his crucifixion. The Resurrection is described in each of the four Gospels. “The Lost Tomb Of Jesus” does not challenge the fact of the Resurrection. It does, however, ask viewers to consider the possibility that it occurred from another tomb and that Jesus was married and had a son. If Jesus’ mortal remains have indeed been found, this would contradict only the idea of a physical ascension. However, it says nothing against the possibility of a spiritual one nor does it dispute the idea of the Ascension. The gospels aren't clear as to whether it is physical or spiritual ascension. As I have yet to watch the film, I cannot judge or Quotebuy shit like this Cameron is selling SMileseustress. : a positive form of stress having a beneficial effect on health, motivation, performance, and emotional well-being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #17 February 28, 2007 Don't they wish... Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #18 April 12, 2007 Apparently, the filmmakers played a little fast and loose with some of the claims made by several leading scholars, featured in the film. Those scholars are now going public to clear up the misrepresentations. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1176152766396&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #19 April 13, 2007 HEY NCclimber ! How RU? Thanks for the link. I wonder how much publicity THAT report will get? I'm willing to bet not much. CannieBlue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
