warpedskydiver 0 #1 February 23, 2007 Jim Brown OneNewsNow.com February 22, 2007 Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a new report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population. Mike Cutler, a former senior special agent with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (the former INS), is a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies and an advisor to Family Security Matters (FSM). He says the high number of Americans being killed by illegal aliens is just part of the collateral damage that comes with tolerating illegal immigration. "The military actually called for the BORTAC team, ... the elite unit of the Border Patrol, to be detailed to Iraq to help to secure the Iraqi border," Cutler notes. "Now, if our military can understand that Iraq's security depends in measure on the ability to protect its border against insurgents and terrorists, then why isn't our country similarly protecting our own borders?" he asks. "We are not five and a half years, nearly, after 9/11, and yet our borders remain open," the Center for Immigration Studies fellow observes. "We have National Guardsmen assigned on the border, but it turns out they are unarmed," he points out. "Their rules of engagement are very simple: if armed intruders head your way, run in the other direction." This situation would "almost be comical if it wasn't so tragic," Cutler asserts. "If our borders are wide open, this means that drugs, criminals, and terrorists are entering our country just as easily as the dishwashers," he says. The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics, Cutler contends, debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. "Then we even have another problem," he adds, "and that's the Visa Waiver Program." The federal government's Visa Waiver Program enables nationals of certain countries to travel to the United States for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without obtaining a visa. According to the U.S. State Department website, the waiver program was established in 1986 with the objective of "eliminating unnecessary barriers to travel," stimulating America's tourism industry, and allowing the government to focus consular resources in other areas. Cutler says the U.S. retains the Visa Waiver Program because the nation's travel, tourism, and hospitality industries want America's borders wide open. In other words, the former INS official contends, the nation's security is being compromised in the name of trade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #2 February 23, 2007 This will only get worse, as there isn't a politician alive with enough cahonies to do anything substantial about it. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #4 February 23, 2007 QuoteThis will only get worse, as there isn't a politician alive with enough cahonies to do anything substantial about it. Shouldn't you be using the correct Mexican/Spanish spelling? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #5 February 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis will only get worse, as there isn't a politician alive with enough cahonies to do anything substantial about it. Shouldn't you be using the correct Mexican/Spanish spelling? Bollocks!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #6 February 23, 2007 QuoteThis will only get worse, as there isn't a politician alive with enough cahonies to do anything substantial about it. Then elect one that will. Obviously it isn't that important to Americans? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #7 February 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis will only get worse, as there isn't a politician alive with enough cahonies to do anything substantial about it. Then elect one that will. Obviously it isn't that important to Americans? They have to run for office first. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #8 February 23, 2007 I would think that if it is a big enough issue for the majority of americans, it would show up in the platform of a politician. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #9 February 23, 2007 There were 17,000 murders in the US in 2005. Using those stats, and assuming your numbers are correct, US citizens commit SEVEN TIMES the number of murders that illegal aliens do! And to think you were worried about illegal aliens . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #10 February 23, 2007 Libs are the majority right now and they won't get tough enough on illegal immigration to make any difference. Southwestern Republicans won't either. They are all afraid of offending their voting constituents, which happen to me a lot of Mexican Americans. As I said, we'll complain, but no one will do anything steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #11 February 23, 2007 QuoteThere were 17,000 murders in the US in 2005. Using those stats, and assuming your numbers are correct, US citizens commit SEVEN TIMES the number of murders that illegal aliens do! And to think you were worried about illegal aliens . . . What can we do about legals commiting crimes? Incarcerate them. They're part of us, we have to foot the bill. What can we do about the illegals committing crimes? Send all illegals back and properly sealing the border would be a good start. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #12 February 23, 2007 QuoteThere were 17,000 murders in the US in 2005. Using those stats, and assuming your numbers are correct, US citizens commit SEVEN TIMES the number of murders that illegal aliens do! And to think you were worried about illegal aliens . . . Bill maybe there are SEVEN TIMES MORE CITIZENS THAN ILLEGALS! actually the ratio should be far higher according to your assertion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #13 February 23, 2007 >Bill maybe there are SEVEN TIMES MORE CITIZENS THAN ILLEGALS! So? There are far more Iraqis in Iraq than illegal aliens in the US - but you still use the Iraq war comparison. Don't go all accurate on us now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #14 February 23, 2007 Quote>Bill maybe there are SEVEN TIMES MORE CITIZENS THAN ILLEGALS! So? There are far more Iraqis in Iraq than illegal aliens in the US - but you still use the Iraq war comparison. Don't go all accurate on us now! Oh - the work of a master!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #15 February 23, 2007 QuoteThere were 17,000 murders in the US in 2005. Using those stats, and assuming your numbers are correct, US citizens commit SEVEN TIMES the number of murders that illegal aliens do! And to think you were worried about illegal aliens . . . The killing rate for illegals is three times greater than that for the rest of the population. By your rationale we shouldn't be that concerned about AIDS, considering it accounts for less than 1% of all deaths in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #16 February 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteThere were 17,000 murders in the US in 2005. Using those stats, and assuming your numbers are correct, US citizens commit SEVEN TIMES the number of murders that illegal aliens do! And to think you were worried about illegal aliens . . . The killing rate for illegals is three times greater than that for the rest of the population. By your rationale we shouldn't be that concerned about AIDS, considering it accounts for less than 1% of all deaths in the US. The master strikes again!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #17 February 23, 2007 QuoteI would think that if it is a big enough issue for the majority of americans, it would show up in the platform of a politician. ______________________________________ The politicians don't want to go near the problem or even bring it up. They just want to stick to their 'politically correct' bull-shit in hopes of not offending anyone. They don't want to mess-up their little situations. I say, vote 'em all out and start over with someone who has the balls to call a spade a spade and really wants to do something besides cushion their own lives. We have problems in this country that need addressing and our borders is one of them. Talking about the Iraq war keeps the heat off of 'real' issues here at home. I feel better, now! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityJunky 0 #18 February 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis will only get worse, as there isn't a politician alive with enough cahonies to do anything substantial about it. Shouldn't you be using the correct Mexican/Spanish spelling? The correct Mexican/Spanish spelling? For an ITALIAN WORD?????*My Inner Child is A Fucking Prick Too! *Everyones entitled to be stupid but you are abusing the priviledge *Well I'd love to stay & chat, But youre a total Bitch! {Stewie} Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #19 February 24, 2007 QuoteThere were 17,000 murders in the US in 2005. Using those stats, and assuming your numbers are correct, US citizens commit SEVEN TIMES the number of murders that illegal aliens do! And to think you were worried about illegal aliens . . . ...and to think you care about US lives at all.....if you did this would be as important as the lives in Iraq selective I guess....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #20 February 24, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis will only get worse, as there isn't a politician alive with enough cahonies to do anything substantial about it. Shouldn't you be using the correct Mexican/Spanish spelling? The correct Mexican/Spanish spelling? For an ITALIAN WORD????? __________________________________ Here on the border, we spell it: 'cajones'. (little boxes) I had no idea, it was an Italian word, also. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 February 24, 2007 QuoteThere were 17,000 murders in the US in 2005. Using those stats, and assuming your numbers are correct, US citizens commit SEVEN TIMES the number of murders that illegal aliens do! And to think you were worried about illegal aliens . . . How many of those murders were done by US citizens and how many by illegals?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kamikaze82 0 #22 February 24, 2007 Who's the illegal alien pilgrim? This land that we stand on isn't any one persons and if it was then it sure as hell isn't todays "American citizens" it would be the people that were actually here first. Property is theft. Comparing it to the war in Iraq. How many innocent people in Iraq have been killed that had no choice but to be born on top of oil and had nothing to do with the so called reason their over there? Thousands and thousands. ONE LAND ONE PEOPLE open all borders!¡YA BASTA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #23 February 24, 2007 QuoteQuoteThere were 17,000 murders in the US in 2005. Using those stats, and assuming your numbers are correct, US citizens commit SEVEN TIMES the number of murders that illegal aliens do! And to think you were worried about illegal aliens . . . How many of those murders were done by US citizens and how many by illegals? From the OP: "Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a new report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S." So presumably the rest were by (legal aliens + citizens). If you need to know the breakdown any further, why ask Bill to do your homework for you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #24 February 24, 2007 QuoteWho's the illegal alien pilgrim? This land that we stand on isn't any one persons and if it was then it sure as hell isn't todays "American citizens" it would be the people that were actually here first. Property is theft. Comparing it to the war in Iraq. How many innocent people in Iraq have been killed that had no choice but to be born on top of oil and had nothing to do with the so called reason their over there? Thousands and thousands. ONE LAND ONE PEOPLE open all borders! I hope you are insinuating that I am not a citizen of this country or that I don't deserve to live here... If that is the case please speak up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #25 February 24, 2007 QuoteI hope you are insinuating that I am not a citizen of this country or that I don't deserve to live here... If that is the case please speak up. Gonna threaten to kill him? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
