jarrodh 0 #26 February 21, 2007 Kids are gonna fuck whether you give em a condom or not. My mom never gave me condoms to use but I wish she did it would have saved me some money. Even kids who are taught abstinence only sex education are gonna fuck alot so you should just give em condoms so they hopefully dont get pregnant and make things a whole lot tougher on themselves. Whats worse: A kid who has sex with their girlfriend/boyfriend safely with condoms or a 17 year old mother/father???2 BITS....4 BITS....6 BITS....A DOLLAR!....ALL FOR THE GATORS....STAND UP AND HOLLER!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #27 February 22, 2007 Quote Kids are gonna fuck whether you give em a condom or not. This is my opinion too. From my own example, we didn't have condoms available in Soviet Union. Nor our parents and teachers were ready to talk about sex with us. All they could teach us were "high morale", benefits of abstinence, and other bullshit even the stupidest of us never believed into. The results - most my friends start having sex in some way since they were 13-16, two girls from my class were pregnant (and went through abortion) at the age of 14 and 15, a few guys got syphilis and gonorrhea. That was Soviet Union, so nobody was able to hide such things, as all the doctors were required by law to report them to local authorities (which then included your school, and your parents at least). We were just lucky nobody got AIDS. At least modern teenagers do use condoms more than we did, and it is a good thing. Regarding the main topic question, it assumes that the main reason teenagers do not have sex is that they do not feel safe. And therefore if you provided them with "sex safety tools", it would remove this restriction, and therefore feel encouraging. In my opinion even some adults really do not care about unprotected sex - just look on AIDS spreading rate for last 10 years - so this concept just does not work.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gontleman 0 #28 February 22, 2007 QuoteEven kids who are taught abstinence only sex education are gonna fuck alot so you should just give em condoms so they hopefully dont get pregnant and make things a whole lot tougher on themselves. It was in the news that over 90% of people have sex before they get married. If even only 50% of people in America are explicity taught abstinence only (read: Christians), what does that say about the effectiveness of abstinence only education? Kids are going to fuck, as he said. Best to give them the tools that make it more safe. It's the best thing you can do in lieu of raising kids that don't develop a sex drive until they're married. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #29 February 22, 2007 Quote While protecting kids from the results of a bad decision, its also taking away the "scare" of any consequences... Agreed, but when the consequences of said bad decision are your kid a) having a child and giving it up for adoption, b) having a child and trying to raise it when they are still children themselves, c) having an abortion, d) getting an STD and/or e) getting AIDS - any one of which will likely affect them for the rest of their lives (some more than others of course) - imho it's far better to hand the kid a box of condoms and tell them to use them every damn time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #30 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuote Unfortunetly, not a lot of adults even have morals and values anymore. Everyone has morals and values, they just maybe different to yours That's true but I believe she was replying to sharimcm's reply of: ----- I don't think buying pills is encouraging kids if they're brought up with morals they can live by. ----- and saying that if the adults don't have morals and values they can live by, how can they expect their kids to have morals and values they can live by. There are far too many parents out there that aren't willing to take responsibility for raising their children or teaching them how to become responsible adults. I work in a student residence. It's amazing how different the "kids" are nowadays compared to even 5 or 10 years ago. They don't take responsibility for their own actions and their parents don't seem to think it's a problem.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #31 February 22, 2007 There are so many more aspects to discuss with regards to your children having sex. Historically speaking, pregnancy used to be the main reason "good girls" and "good boys" didn't. Pregnancy can be dealt with - there are many choices available (planned parenthood, adoption, keeping with the social supports available) There isn't the stigma on pregnancy that there used to be. .... but you HAVE TO add in the STD's (syphillis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, hepatitis, HIV, HPV). The pill doesn't protect against those. If your children decide to have sex, they have to realize the health consequenses that comes with that decision. I have a 13 year old in my clinic right now that when I looked at her cervix, I was HONESTLY worried that it was cancer. 13! The pill wouldn't have changed that. Even the vaccines available don't cover everything. Even is she is on the pill, she needs to understand that CONDOMS are mandatory IF she were to consider sex. My concern with giving your child the pill gives them a false sense of security not that it encourages/supports sex. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeadCone 0 #32 February 22, 2007 QuoteJust reading a discussion about this sort of thing on another board. Wanted to see what you guys had to say about it. Of course it does! I can't believe so many people voted no. When you give something to someone for them to use, you 're supporting and encouraging them to use that item. It doesn't get any simpler than that. The people who voted "no" just don't want to admit this encourages kids to have sex. And I think they're mixing in other concepts. Whether or not you like your kids having sex, whether or not giving kids birth control is a good thing, and whether or not providing them birth control encourages their sex life are all entirely separate issues. -Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #33 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteJust reading a discussion about this sort of thing on another board. Wanted to see what you guys had to say about it. Of course it does! I can't believe so many people voted no. When you give something to someone for them to use, you 're supporting and encouraging them to use that item. It doesn't get any simpler than that. The people who voted "no" just don't want to admit this encourages kids to have sex. And I think they're mixing in other concepts. Whether or not you like your kids having sex, whether or not giving kids birth control is a good thing, and whether or not providing them birth control encourages their sex life are all entirely separate issues. -Head Umm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider??'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #34 February 22, 2007 I think he's saying "OF COURSE it encourages them", but whether or not that's a bad thing (given the fact that there are many other things to consider) is up for debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #35 February 22, 2007 My daughter went on the pill kind of young, but with my full support, due to problems with her period. Despite being on the pill, she waited a few years to have sex. She went off the pill for awhile because it wasn't working anymore and she wasn't seeing anyone. I strongly encouraged her to get back on something, so that if she did get to the point of wanting to have sex with a guy, the protection would already be in place. She called me from the doctor's office a few weeks later and said that it hadn't yet been determined whether our insurance would cover the shot, and if they didn't, the bill would be coming to me. I told her that if I got it, I'd pay it, and if she got it, she should pay it...that the dollars involved weren't as important to me as the sense of security that a pregnancy wouldn't derail her studies (plus I'm just absolutely not even close to old enough to be a grandpa yet). I certainly don't encourage my daughter to have sex, and am happy that she's approached it pretty responsibly. That said, I've always been a firm believer in open, honest communication on such subjects, including the realities that most kids in their late teens are sexually active, be it frequently or occasionally, and the financial cost of birth control is less significant to a parent than it is to a child. I pay for my daughter's health insurance, but don't want her to get hurt. I pay a portion of her car insurance, but don't want her driving recklessly or getting in an accident. I'm willing to pay for her birth control, but that doesn't mean I want her sleazing it up. I see these as all being the same thing...being gently supportive of her as she transitions from childhood to adulthood. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #36 February 22, 2007 QuoteI think he's saying "OF COURSE it encourages them", but whether or not that's a bad thing (given the fact that there are many other things to consider) is up for debate. Yeah, it is up for debate (as we can see I, myself, don't think it encourages them to have sex. Perhaps I'd think differently if I had kids myself. But I'll never know that. I think back to things my mom said and told me and I'd like to think that'd I do the same. She taught me morals and values and helped encourage me to become a responsible adult. 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #37 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteJust reading a discussion about this sort of thing on another board. Wanted to see what you guys had to say about it. Of course it does! I can't believe so many people voted no. When you give something to someone for them to use, you 're supporting and encouraging them to use that item. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Does paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #38 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust reading a discussion about this sort of thing on another board. Wanted to see what you guys had to say about it. Of course it does! I can't believe so many people voted no. When you give something to someone for them to use, you 're supporting and encouraging them to use that item. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Does paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave That was kind of my point ... in a round-about-try-not-to-throw-in-other-analogies way. 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #39 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust reading a discussion about this sort of thing on another board. Wanted to see what you guys had to say about it. Of course it does! I can't believe so many people voted no. When you give something to someone for them to use, you 're supporting and encouraging them to use that item. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Does paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave That was kind of my point ... in a round-about-try-not-to-throw-in-other-analogies way. Yeah...now that I rethink it, it wasn't a great analogy, but since it's been quoted, I'll leave it there. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #40 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteDoes paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave That was kind of my point ... in a round-about-try-not-to-throw-in-other-analogies way. Yeah...now that I rethink it, it wasn't a great analogy, but since it's been quoted, I'll leave it there. Blues, Dave Typical guy. "I'll just leave it here until she tells me to move it." 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettski74 0 #41 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuote Whether or not you like your kids having sex, whether or not giving kids birth control is a good thing, and whether or not providing them birth control encourages their sex life are all entirely separate issues. -Head Umm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? [Crazy][Crazy] Let's restructure that last sentence a little... The following things are separate issues: - do you like your kids having sex? - is giving kids birth control a good thing? - is providing them birth control encouraging their sex life? The original poster was asking the third question. Many of us are confusing this issue with the other two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #42 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuote[reply Let's restructure that last sentence a little... The following things are separate issues: - do you like your kids having sex? - is giving kids birth control a good thing? - is providing them birth control encouraging their sex life? The original poster was asking the third question. Many of us are confusing this issue with the other two. Well then let just address that, if the pil is given without and information or education, irt may be percieved as permission to have sex. If done in an open honest and repsectful way, (which will come from haveing an open honest and respectful relationships with your kids) then probably not I just asked all my kids here (28 of them) a quite a few of the boys said yes, most of the girls said no (ages fron 15-19)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #43 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Whether or not you like your kids having sex, whether or not giving kids birth control is a good thing, and whether or not providing them birth control encourages their sex life are all entirely separate issues. -Head Umm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? [Crazy][Crazy] Let's restructure that last sentence a little... The following things are separate issues: - do you like your kids having sex? - is giving kids birth control a good thing? - is providing them birth control encouraging their sex life? The original poster was asking the third question. Many of us are confusing this issue with the other two. I was just wondering where the poster I replied to stood. I've said where I stand.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeadCone 0 #44 February 22, 2007 QuoteUmm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? I am saying yes it encourages them. I am also saying there are other issues which are separate. They are related and confusing (verb) the specific issue addressed by the thread title. I may have 'over-paragraphed' . The last three sentences (two paragraphs) may have been better as one paragraph. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #45 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteUmm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? I am saying yes it encourages them. I am also saying there are other issues which are separate. Next time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeadCone 0 #46 February 22, 2007 QuoteDoes paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave No. It encourages them to drive. When a boy and girl have sex, they may or may not have to deal with the consequences of the cost of the girl getting pregnant. When a person drives, they may or may not have to deal with the consequences of the cost of getting into an accident. Birth control is protection from the cost of the girl getting pregnant. Car insurance is protection from the cost of getting into an accident. Providing a kid birth control is supporting/encouraging the kid to have sex because you're providing them protection from the consequences. Providing a kid car insurance is supporting/encouraging the kid to drive because you're providing them protection from the consequences. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeadCone 0 #47 February 22, 2007 QuoteNext time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! I sawy. I strive to keep things simple in debates like this, then I over-edit, post, and it comes out all confusing. Dang! --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteAgreed. While protecting kids from the results of a bad decision, its also taking away the "scare" of any consequences... making the decision to make the wrong decision a lot easier. Kitty says it best.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteNext time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! I sawy. I strive to keep things simple in debates like this, then I over-edit, post, and it comes out all confusing. Dang! --Head Write for your audience. KISS theory applies here. But I like your thoughts on this. Not a cut and dried answer. 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #50 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteAgreed. While protecting kids from the results of a bad decision, its also taking away the "scare" of any consequences... making the decision to make the wrong decision a lot easier. Kitty says it best. Yes. What you both said.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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Shell666 0 #38 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust reading a discussion about this sort of thing on another board. Wanted to see what you guys had to say about it. Of course it does! I can't believe so many people voted no. When you give something to someone for them to use, you 're supporting and encouraging them to use that item. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Does paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave That was kind of my point ... in a round-about-try-not-to-throw-in-other-analogies way. 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #39 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust reading a discussion about this sort of thing on another board. Wanted to see what you guys had to say about it. Of course it does! I can't believe so many people voted no. When you give something to someone for them to use, you 're supporting and encouraging them to use that item. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Does paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave That was kind of my point ... in a round-about-try-not-to-throw-in-other-analogies way. Yeah...now that I rethink it, it wasn't a great analogy, but since it's been quoted, I'll leave it there. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #40 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteDoes paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave That was kind of my point ... in a round-about-try-not-to-throw-in-other-analogies way. Yeah...now that I rethink it, it wasn't a great analogy, but since it's been quoted, I'll leave it there. Blues, Dave Typical guy. "I'll just leave it here until she tells me to move it." 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettski74 0 #41 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuote Whether or not you like your kids having sex, whether or not giving kids birth control is a good thing, and whether or not providing them birth control encourages their sex life are all entirely separate issues. -Head Umm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? [Crazy][Crazy] Let's restructure that last sentence a little... The following things are separate issues: - do you like your kids having sex? - is giving kids birth control a good thing? - is providing them birth control encouraging their sex life? The original poster was asking the third question. Many of us are confusing this issue with the other two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #42 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuote[reply Let's restructure that last sentence a little... The following things are separate issues: - do you like your kids having sex? - is giving kids birth control a good thing? - is providing them birth control encouraging their sex life? The original poster was asking the third question. Many of us are confusing this issue with the other two. Well then let just address that, if the pil is given without and information or education, irt may be percieved as permission to have sex. If done in an open honest and repsectful way, (which will come from haveing an open honest and respectful relationships with your kids) then probably not I just asked all my kids here (28 of them) a quite a few of the boys said yes, most of the girls said no (ages fron 15-19)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #43 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Whether or not you like your kids having sex, whether or not giving kids birth control is a good thing, and whether or not providing them birth control encourages their sex life are all entirely separate issues. -Head Umm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? [Crazy][Crazy] Let's restructure that last sentence a little... The following things are separate issues: - do you like your kids having sex? - is giving kids birth control a good thing? - is providing them birth control encouraging their sex life? The original poster was asking the third question. Many of us are confusing this issue with the other two. I was just wondering where the poster I replied to stood. I've said where I stand.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeadCone 0 #44 February 22, 2007 QuoteUmm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? I am saying yes it encourages them. I am also saying there are other issues which are separate. They are related and confusing (verb) the specific issue addressed by the thread title. I may have 'over-paragraphed' . The last three sentences (two paragraphs) may have been better as one paragraph. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #45 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteUmm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? I am saying yes it encourages them. I am also saying there are other issues which are separate. Next time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeadCone 0 #46 February 22, 2007 QuoteDoes paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave No. It encourages them to drive. When a boy and girl have sex, they may or may not have to deal with the consequences of the cost of the girl getting pregnant. When a person drives, they may or may not have to deal with the consequences of the cost of getting into an accident. Birth control is protection from the cost of the girl getting pregnant. Car insurance is protection from the cost of getting into an accident. Providing a kid birth control is supporting/encouraging the kid to have sex because you're providing them protection from the consequences. Providing a kid car insurance is supporting/encouraging the kid to drive because you're providing them protection from the consequences. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeadCone 0 #47 February 22, 2007 QuoteNext time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! I sawy. I strive to keep things simple in debates like this, then I over-edit, post, and it comes out all confusing. Dang! --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteAgreed. While protecting kids from the results of a bad decision, its also taking away the "scare" of any consequences... making the decision to make the wrong decision a lot easier. Kitty says it best.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteNext time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! I sawy. I strive to keep things simple in debates like this, then I over-edit, post, and it comes out all confusing. Dang! --Head Write for your audience. KISS theory applies here. But I like your thoughts on this. Not a cut and dried answer. 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #50 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteAgreed. While protecting kids from the results of a bad decision, its also taking away the "scare" of any consequences... making the decision to make the wrong decision a lot easier. Kitty says it best. Yes. What you both said.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
livendive 8 #39 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust reading a discussion about this sort of thing on another board. Wanted to see what you guys had to say about it. Of course it does! I can't believe so many people voted no. When you give something to someone for them to use, you 're supporting and encouraging them to use that item. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Does paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave That was kind of my point ... in a round-about-try-not-to-throw-in-other-analogies way. Yeah...now that I rethink it, it wasn't a great analogy, but since it's been quoted, I'll leave it there. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #40 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteDoes paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave That was kind of my point ... in a round-about-try-not-to-throw-in-other-analogies way. Yeah...now that I rethink it, it wasn't a great analogy, but since it's been quoted, I'll leave it there. Blues, Dave Typical guy. "I'll just leave it here until she tells me to move it." 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #40 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteDoes paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave That was kind of my point ... in a round-about-try-not-to-throw-in-other-analogies way. Yeah...now that I rethink it, it wasn't a great analogy, but since it's been quoted, I'll leave it there. Blues, Dave Typical guy. "I'll just leave it here until she tells me to move it." 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #41 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuote Whether or not you like your kids having sex, whether or not giving kids birth control is a good thing, and whether or not providing them birth control encourages their sex life are all entirely separate issues. -Head Umm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? [Crazy][Crazy] Let's restructure that last sentence a little... The following things are separate issues: - do you like your kids having sex? - is giving kids birth control a good thing? - is providing them birth control encouraging their sex life? The original poster was asking the third question. Many of us are confusing this issue with the other two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #42 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuote[reply Let's restructure that last sentence a little... The following things are separate issues: - do you like your kids having sex? - is giving kids birth control a good thing? - is providing them birth control encouraging their sex life? The original poster was asking the third question. Many of us are confusing this issue with the other two. Well then let just address that, if the pil is given without and information or education, irt may be percieved as permission to have sex. If done in an open honest and repsectful way, (which will come from haveing an open honest and respectful relationships with your kids) then probably not I just asked all my kids here (28 of them) a quite a few of the boys said yes, most of the girls said no (ages fron 15-19)You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #43 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Whether or not you like your kids having sex, whether or not giving kids birth control is a good thing, and whether or not providing them birth control encourages their sex life are all entirely separate issues. -Head Umm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? [Crazy][Crazy] Let's restructure that last sentence a little... The following things are separate issues: - do you like your kids having sex? - is giving kids birth control a good thing? - is providing them birth control encouraging their sex life? The original poster was asking the third question. Many of us are confusing this issue with the other two. I was just wondering where the poster I replied to stood. I've said where I stand.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeadCone 0 #44 February 22, 2007 QuoteUmm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? I am saying yes it encourages them. I am also saying there are other issues which are separate. They are related and confusing (verb) the specific issue addressed by the thread title. I may have 'over-paragraphed' . The last three sentences (two paragraphs) may have been better as one paragraph. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #45 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteUmm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? I am saying yes it encourages them. I am also saying there are other issues which are separate. Next time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeadCone 0 #46 February 22, 2007 QuoteDoes paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave No. It encourages them to drive. When a boy and girl have sex, they may or may not have to deal with the consequences of the cost of the girl getting pregnant. When a person drives, they may or may not have to deal with the consequences of the cost of getting into an accident. Birth control is protection from the cost of the girl getting pregnant. Car insurance is protection from the cost of getting into an accident. Providing a kid birth control is supporting/encouraging the kid to have sex because you're providing them protection from the consequences. Providing a kid car insurance is supporting/encouraging the kid to drive because you're providing them protection from the consequences. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeadCone 0 #47 February 22, 2007 QuoteNext time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! I sawy. I strive to keep things simple in debates like this, then I over-edit, post, and it comes out all confusing. Dang! --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteAgreed. While protecting kids from the results of a bad decision, its also taking away the "scare" of any consequences... making the decision to make the wrong decision a lot easier. Kitty says it best.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteNext time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! I sawy. I strive to keep things simple in debates like this, then I over-edit, post, and it comes out all confusing. Dang! --Head Write for your audience. KISS theory applies here. But I like your thoughts on this. Not a cut and dried answer. 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #50 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteAgreed. While protecting kids from the results of a bad decision, its also taking away the "scare" of any consequences... making the decision to make the wrong decision a lot easier. Kitty says it best. Yes. What you both said.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Shell666 0 #43 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Whether or not you like your kids having sex, whether or not giving kids birth control is a good thing, and whether or not providing them birth control encourages their sex life are all entirely separate issues. -Head Umm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? [Crazy][Crazy] Let's restructure that last sentence a little... The following things are separate issues: - do you like your kids having sex? - is giving kids birth control a good thing? - is providing them birth control encouraging their sex life? The original poster was asking the third question. Many of us are confusing this issue with the other two. I was just wondering where the poster I replied to stood. I've said where I stand.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeadCone 0 #44 February 22, 2007 QuoteUmm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? I am saying yes it encourages them. I am also saying there are other issues which are separate. They are related and confusing (verb) the specific issue addressed by the thread title. I may have 'over-paragraphed' . The last three sentences (two paragraphs) may have been better as one paragraph. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #45 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteUmm ... I'm a little confused here. Are you saying "yes" it encourages them or "no" it doesn't or are you saying, like a few others, there are many different things to consider?? I am saying yes it encourages them. I am also saying there are other issues which are separate. Next time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeadCone 0 #46 February 22, 2007 QuoteDoes paying for a child's car insurance encourage them to get in an accident? Blues, Dave No. It encourages them to drive. When a boy and girl have sex, they may or may not have to deal with the consequences of the cost of the girl getting pregnant. When a person drives, they may or may not have to deal with the consequences of the cost of getting into an accident. Birth control is protection from the cost of the girl getting pregnant. Car insurance is protection from the cost of getting into an accident. Providing a kid birth control is supporting/encouraging the kid to have sex because you're providing them protection from the consequences. Providing a kid car insurance is supporting/encouraging the kid to drive because you're providing them protection from the consequences. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeadCone 0 #47 February 22, 2007 QuoteNext time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! I sawy. I strive to keep things simple in debates like this, then I over-edit, post, and it comes out all confusing. Dang! --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteAgreed. While protecting kids from the results of a bad decision, its also taking away the "scare" of any consequences... making the decision to make the wrong decision a lot easier. Kitty says it best.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteNext time, just say that. We're skydivers, for god's sake. Don't confuse us! I sawy. I strive to keep things simple in debates like this, then I over-edit, post, and it comes out all confusing. Dang! --Head Write for your audience. KISS theory applies here. But I like your thoughts on this. Not a cut and dried answer. 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #50 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteAgreed. While protecting kids from the results of a bad decision, its also taking away the "scare" of any consequences... making the decision to make the wrong decision a lot easier. Kitty says it best. Yes. What you both said.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
