kallend 2,150 #101 February 23, 2007 QuoteQuote I mean, if it's daylight and I'm mowing the lawn and I see a cop approaching, I usually say "Hi, Mike..?" That would really piss off Officer Kathy Smith.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #102 February 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I mean, if it's daylight and I'm mowing the lawn and I see a cop approaching, I usually say "Hi, Mike..?" That would really piss off Officer Kathy Smith. Then she should lose some weight and quit with the 'low maintenance' hair cut. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #103 February 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I mean, if it's daylight and I'm mowing the lawn and I see a cop approaching, I usually say "Hi, Mike..?" That would really piss off Officer Kathy Smith. Then she should lose some weight and quit with the 'low maintenance' hair cut. NOW she's REALLY pissed!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #104 February 24, 2007 You keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. Quote And as I have stated counteless times so far that original statement was geared towards this particular situation. I never meant to imply that everytime you see a cop you should throw your hands up in the air(nobody hear has said that). It's funny how you manipulate what people say when you can't win an argument professor, you have this unique way of twisting the context of people's argument's to further your argument and completely avoid the topic at hand. So by actively avoiding the topic and in no way responding to any of the posters questions or comment you are basically hopelessly clinging on to a moot point in an attempt to hide the fact that you have lost a debate. Simply put: You just lost a debate to a knuckle dragging Green Beret with violent tendencies(such as only interacting with people in an adverserial manner according to you) who doesn't even have a college education. It's been fun though, let's do it again sometimeHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #105 February 24, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. Quote And as I have stated counteless times so far that original statement was geared towards this particular situation. I never meant to imply that everytime you see a cop you should throw your hands up in the air(nobody hear has said that). It's funny how you manipulate what people say when you can't win an argument professor, you have this unique way of twisting the context of people's argument's to further your argument and completely avoid the topic at hand. So by actively avoiding the topic and in no way responding to any of the posters questions or comment you are basically hopelessly clinging on to a moot point in an attempt to hide the fact that you have lost a debate. Not logical in this context, sorry. As has already been pointed out a number of times, we don't know the FACTS of this case. We don't know what he saw and what he didn't see. Also, you wrote "you", and "your house", not "he" and "his house". The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Simply put: You just lost a debate to a knuckle dragging Green Beret with violent tendencies(such as only interacting with people in an adverserial manner according to you) who doesn't even have a college education. It's been fun though, let's do it again sometime Don't hurt yourself while patting yourself on the back. (Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #106 February 24, 2007 The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. Quote(Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal). And what would that stratagem be?? I was stating that you have not only completely avoided every question that has been asked of YOU, but have also argued a point which was misinterpreted by YOU in the first place. Every person in this thread with the exception of yourself has clearly stated that they understood the context of my original post. But sadly you hide behind sarcasm to avoid debating the topic at hand. Tell me, is it in any way, shape, or form possible to have a debate with you where you don't take things out of context, or manipulate peoples statements in an attempt to lead the debate so far off course that you can make yourself look like a victor without ever having discussed the pertinent issue? And while you're at it tell me this, will you even bother to answer a single question that is asked of you or will you use a bland sense of humor to mask your inability to argue the topic of the thread?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #107 February 24, 2007 QuoteThe logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. 1. Your original "hands up" post on this topic was in reply to me and used the words "you", and "your house". 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. 3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. 4. Your "context" argument is bogus, since you don't know what this particular gun-toting householder saw.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #108 February 24, 2007 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). Quote3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. "Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. Actually there was no error, simply a misunderstanding by one particular individual because that interpretation fit that individuals viewpoint.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #109 February 24, 2007 Quote2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). . That's because your original post was in response to kallend (that's ME), said : "you", "your house". Don't weasel. I'm glad you have corrected your original ideas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #110 February 25, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #111 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. TWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. You should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #112 February 26, 2007 If you've ever dealt with teh police, they tend to rewrite history to benefit themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #113 February 26, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Did no one else notice the obvious; the addresses end in unlike odd/even numbers, so the genius was on the wrong side of the street. Ok, it's dark, to be a few houses down is one thing, but the other side of the road? Is this Reno 911? I'm guessing the lawyer for the injured will have noticed that as quickly as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #114 February 27, 2007 I can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to addHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #115 February 27, 2007 QuoteI can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to add But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #116 February 27, 2007 But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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rehmwa 2 #102 February 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I mean, if it's daylight and I'm mowing the lawn and I see a cop approaching, I usually say "Hi, Mike..?" That would really piss off Officer Kathy Smith. Then she should lose some weight and quit with the 'low maintenance' hair cut. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #103 February 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I mean, if it's daylight and I'm mowing the lawn and I see a cop approaching, I usually say "Hi, Mike..?" That would really piss off Officer Kathy Smith. Then she should lose some weight and quit with the 'low maintenance' hair cut. NOW she's REALLY pissed!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #104 February 24, 2007 You keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. Quote And as I have stated counteless times so far that original statement was geared towards this particular situation. I never meant to imply that everytime you see a cop you should throw your hands up in the air(nobody hear has said that). It's funny how you manipulate what people say when you can't win an argument professor, you have this unique way of twisting the context of people's argument's to further your argument and completely avoid the topic at hand. So by actively avoiding the topic and in no way responding to any of the posters questions or comment you are basically hopelessly clinging on to a moot point in an attempt to hide the fact that you have lost a debate. Simply put: You just lost a debate to a knuckle dragging Green Beret with violent tendencies(such as only interacting with people in an adverserial manner according to you) who doesn't even have a college education. It's been fun though, let's do it again sometimeHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #105 February 24, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. Quote And as I have stated counteless times so far that original statement was geared towards this particular situation. I never meant to imply that everytime you see a cop you should throw your hands up in the air(nobody hear has said that). It's funny how you manipulate what people say when you can't win an argument professor, you have this unique way of twisting the context of people's argument's to further your argument and completely avoid the topic at hand. So by actively avoiding the topic and in no way responding to any of the posters questions or comment you are basically hopelessly clinging on to a moot point in an attempt to hide the fact that you have lost a debate. Not logical in this context, sorry. As has already been pointed out a number of times, we don't know the FACTS of this case. We don't know what he saw and what he didn't see. Also, you wrote "you", and "your house", not "he" and "his house". The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Simply put: You just lost a debate to a knuckle dragging Green Beret with violent tendencies(such as only interacting with people in an adverserial manner according to you) who doesn't even have a college education. It's been fun though, let's do it again sometime Don't hurt yourself while patting yourself on the back. (Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #106 February 24, 2007 The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. Quote(Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal). And what would that stratagem be?? I was stating that you have not only completely avoided every question that has been asked of YOU, but have also argued a point which was misinterpreted by YOU in the first place. Every person in this thread with the exception of yourself has clearly stated that they understood the context of my original post. But sadly you hide behind sarcasm to avoid debating the topic at hand. Tell me, is it in any way, shape, or form possible to have a debate with you where you don't take things out of context, or manipulate peoples statements in an attempt to lead the debate so far off course that you can make yourself look like a victor without ever having discussed the pertinent issue? And while you're at it tell me this, will you even bother to answer a single question that is asked of you or will you use a bland sense of humor to mask your inability to argue the topic of the thread?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #107 February 24, 2007 QuoteThe logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. 1. Your original "hands up" post on this topic was in reply to me and used the words "you", and "your house". 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. 3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. 4. Your "context" argument is bogus, since you don't know what this particular gun-toting householder saw.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #108 February 24, 2007 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). Quote3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. "Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. Actually there was no error, simply a misunderstanding by one particular individual because that interpretation fit that individuals viewpoint.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #109 February 24, 2007 Quote2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). . That's because your original post was in response to kallend (that's ME), said : "you", "your house". Don't weasel. I'm glad you have corrected your original ideas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #110 February 25, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #111 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. TWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. You should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #112 February 26, 2007 If you've ever dealt with teh police, they tend to rewrite history to benefit themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #113 February 26, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Did no one else notice the obvious; the addresses end in unlike odd/even numbers, so the genius was on the wrong side of the street. Ok, it's dark, to be a few houses down is one thing, but the other side of the road? Is this Reno 911? I'm guessing the lawyer for the injured will have noticed that as quickly as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #114 February 27, 2007 I can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to addHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #115 February 27, 2007 QuoteI can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to add But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #116 February 27, 2007 But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. 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kallend 2,150 #103 February 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I mean, if it's daylight and I'm mowing the lawn and I see a cop approaching, I usually say "Hi, Mike..?" That would really piss off Officer Kathy Smith. Then she should lose some weight and quit with the 'low maintenance' hair cut. NOW she's REALLY pissed!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #104 February 24, 2007 You keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. Quote And as I have stated counteless times so far that original statement was geared towards this particular situation. I never meant to imply that everytime you see a cop you should throw your hands up in the air(nobody hear has said that). It's funny how you manipulate what people say when you can't win an argument professor, you have this unique way of twisting the context of people's argument's to further your argument and completely avoid the topic at hand. So by actively avoiding the topic and in no way responding to any of the posters questions or comment you are basically hopelessly clinging on to a moot point in an attempt to hide the fact that you have lost a debate. Simply put: You just lost a debate to a knuckle dragging Green Beret with violent tendencies(such as only interacting with people in an adverserial manner according to you) who doesn't even have a college education. It's been fun though, let's do it again sometimeHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #105 February 24, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. Quote And as I have stated counteless times so far that original statement was geared towards this particular situation. I never meant to imply that everytime you see a cop you should throw your hands up in the air(nobody hear has said that). It's funny how you manipulate what people say when you can't win an argument professor, you have this unique way of twisting the context of people's argument's to further your argument and completely avoid the topic at hand. So by actively avoiding the topic and in no way responding to any of the posters questions or comment you are basically hopelessly clinging on to a moot point in an attempt to hide the fact that you have lost a debate. Not logical in this context, sorry. As has already been pointed out a number of times, we don't know the FACTS of this case. We don't know what he saw and what he didn't see. Also, you wrote "you", and "your house", not "he" and "his house". The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Simply put: You just lost a debate to a knuckle dragging Green Beret with violent tendencies(such as only interacting with people in an adverserial manner according to you) who doesn't even have a college education. It's been fun though, let's do it again sometime Don't hurt yourself while patting yourself on the back. (Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #106 February 24, 2007 The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. Quote(Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal). And what would that stratagem be?? I was stating that you have not only completely avoided every question that has been asked of YOU, but have also argued a point which was misinterpreted by YOU in the first place. Every person in this thread with the exception of yourself has clearly stated that they understood the context of my original post. But sadly you hide behind sarcasm to avoid debating the topic at hand. Tell me, is it in any way, shape, or form possible to have a debate with you where you don't take things out of context, or manipulate peoples statements in an attempt to lead the debate so far off course that you can make yourself look like a victor without ever having discussed the pertinent issue? And while you're at it tell me this, will you even bother to answer a single question that is asked of you or will you use a bland sense of humor to mask your inability to argue the topic of the thread?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #107 February 24, 2007 QuoteThe logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. 1. Your original "hands up" post on this topic was in reply to me and used the words "you", and "your house". 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. 3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. 4. Your "context" argument is bogus, since you don't know what this particular gun-toting householder saw.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #108 February 24, 2007 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). Quote3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. "Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. Actually there was no error, simply a misunderstanding by one particular individual because that interpretation fit that individuals viewpoint.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #109 February 24, 2007 Quote2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). . That's because your original post was in response to kallend (that's ME), said : "you", "your house". Don't weasel. I'm glad you have corrected your original ideas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #110 February 25, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #111 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. TWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. You should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #112 February 26, 2007 If you've ever dealt with teh police, they tend to rewrite history to benefit themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #113 February 26, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Did no one else notice the obvious; the addresses end in unlike odd/even numbers, so the genius was on the wrong side of the street. Ok, it's dark, to be a few houses down is one thing, but the other side of the road? Is this Reno 911? I'm guessing the lawyer for the injured will have noticed that as quickly as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #114 February 27, 2007 I can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to addHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #115 February 27, 2007 QuoteI can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to add But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #116 February 27, 2007 But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. 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GQ_jumper 4 #104 February 24, 2007 You keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. Quote And as I have stated counteless times so far that original statement was geared towards this particular situation. I never meant to imply that everytime you see a cop you should throw your hands up in the air(nobody hear has said that). It's funny how you manipulate what people say when you can't win an argument professor, you have this unique way of twisting the context of people's argument's to further your argument and completely avoid the topic at hand. So by actively avoiding the topic and in no way responding to any of the posters questions or comment you are basically hopelessly clinging on to a moot point in an attempt to hide the fact that you have lost a debate. Simply put: You just lost a debate to a knuckle dragging Green Beret with violent tendencies(such as only interacting with people in an adverserial manner according to you) who doesn't even have a college education. It's been fun though, let's do it again sometimeHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #105 February 24, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. Quote And as I have stated counteless times so far that original statement was geared towards this particular situation. I never meant to imply that everytime you see a cop you should throw your hands up in the air(nobody hear has said that). It's funny how you manipulate what people say when you can't win an argument professor, you have this unique way of twisting the context of people's argument's to further your argument and completely avoid the topic at hand. So by actively avoiding the topic and in no way responding to any of the posters questions or comment you are basically hopelessly clinging on to a moot point in an attempt to hide the fact that you have lost a debate. Not logical in this context, sorry. As has already been pointed out a number of times, we don't know the FACTS of this case. We don't know what he saw and what he didn't see. Also, you wrote "you", and "your house", not "he" and "his house". The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Simply put: You just lost a debate to a knuckle dragging Green Beret with violent tendencies(such as only interacting with people in an adverserial manner according to you) who doesn't even have a college education. It's been fun though, let's do it again sometime Don't hurt yourself while patting yourself on the back. (Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #106 February 24, 2007 The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. Quote(Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal). And what would that stratagem be?? I was stating that you have not only completely avoided every question that has been asked of YOU, but have also argued a point which was misinterpreted by YOU in the first place. Every person in this thread with the exception of yourself has clearly stated that they understood the context of my original post. But sadly you hide behind sarcasm to avoid debating the topic at hand. Tell me, is it in any way, shape, or form possible to have a debate with you where you don't take things out of context, or manipulate peoples statements in an attempt to lead the debate so far off course that you can make yourself look like a victor without ever having discussed the pertinent issue? And while you're at it tell me this, will you even bother to answer a single question that is asked of you or will you use a bland sense of humor to mask your inability to argue the topic of the thread?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #107 February 24, 2007 QuoteThe logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. 1. Your original "hands up" post on this topic was in reply to me and used the words "you", and "your house". 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. 3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. 4. Your "context" argument is bogus, since you don't know what this particular gun-toting householder saw.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #108 February 24, 2007 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). Quote3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. "Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. Actually there was no error, simply a misunderstanding by one particular individual because that interpretation fit that individuals viewpoint.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #109 February 24, 2007 Quote2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). . That's because your original post was in response to kallend (that's ME), said : "you", "your house". Don't weasel. I'm glad you have corrected your original ideas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #110 February 25, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #111 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. TWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. You should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #112 February 26, 2007 If you've ever dealt with teh police, they tend to rewrite history to benefit themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #113 February 26, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Did no one else notice the obvious; the addresses end in unlike odd/even numbers, so the genius was on the wrong side of the street. Ok, it's dark, to be a few houses down is one thing, but the other side of the road? Is this Reno 911? I'm guessing the lawyer for the injured will have noticed that as quickly as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #114 February 27, 2007 I can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to addHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #115 February 27, 2007 QuoteI can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to add But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #116 February 27, 2007 But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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kallend 2,150 #105 February 24, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. Quote And as I have stated counteless times so far that original statement was geared towards this particular situation. I never meant to imply that everytime you see a cop you should throw your hands up in the air(nobody hear has said that). It's funny how you manipulate what people say when you can't win an argument professor, you have this unique way of twisting the context of people's argument's to further your argument and completely avoid the topic at hand. So by actively avoiding the topic and in no way responding to any of the posters questions or comment you are basically hopelessly clinging on to a moot point in an attempt to hide the fact that you have lost a debate. Not logical in this context, sorry. As has already been pointed out a number of times, we don't know the FACTS of this case. We don't know what he saw and what he didn't see. Also, you wrote "you", and "your house", not "he" and "his house". The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Simply put: You just lost a debate to a knuckle dragging Green Beret with violent tendencies(such as only interacting with people in an adverserial manner according to you) who doesn't even have a college education. It's been fun though, let's do it again sometime Don't hurt yourself while patting yourself on the back. (Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #106 February 24, 2007 The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. Quote(Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal). And what would that stratagem be?? I was stating that you have not only completely avoided every question that has been asked of YOU, but have also argued a point which was misinterpreted by YOU in the first place. Every person in this thread with the exception of yourself has clearly stated that they understood the context of my original post. But sadly you hide behind sarcasm to avoid debating the topic at hand. Tell me, is it in any way, shape, or form possible to have a debate with you where you don't take things out of context, or manipulate peoples statements in an attempt to lead the debate so far off course that you can make yourself look like a victor without ever having discussed the pertinent issue? And while you're at it tell me this, will you even bother to answer a single question that is asked of you or will you use a bland sense of humor to mask your inability to argue the topic of the thread?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #107 February 24, 2007 QuoteThe logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. 1. Your original "hands up" post on this topic was in reply to me and used the words "you", and "your house". 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. 3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. 4. Your "context" argument is bogus, since you don't know what this particular gun-toting householder saw.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #108 February 24, 2007 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). Quote3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. "Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. Actually there was no error, simply a misunderstanding by one particular individual because that interpretation fit that individuals viewpoint.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #109 February 24, 2007 Quote2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). . That's because your original post was in response to kallend (that's ME), said : "you", "your house". Don't weasel. I'm glad you have corrected your original ideas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #110 February 25, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #111 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. TWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. You should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #112 February 26, 2007 If you've ever dealt with teh police, they tend to rewrite history to benefit themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #113 February 26, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Did no one else notice the obvious; the addresses end in unlike odd/even numbers, so the genius was on the wrong side of the street. Ok, it's dark, to be a few houses down is one thing, but the other side of the road? Is this Reno 911? I'm guessing the lawyer for the injured will have noticed that as quickly as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #114 February 27, 2007 I can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to addHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #115 February 27, 2007 QuoteI can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to add But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #116 February 27, 2007 But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. 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GQ_jumper 4 #106 February 24, 2007 The logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. Quote(Pity we can't apply your stratagem to the Iraq war: just declare victory and give everyone a medal). And what would that stratagem be?? I was stating that you have not only completely avoided every question that has been asked of YOU, but have also argued a point which was misinterpreted by YOU in the first place. Every person in this thread with the exception of yourself has clearly stated that they understood the context of my original post. But sadly you hide behind sarcasm to avoid debating the topic at hand. Tell me, is it in any way, shape, or form possible to have a debate with you where you don't take things out of context, or manipulate peoples statements in an attempt to lead the debate so far off course that you can make yourself look like a victor without ever having discussed the pertinent issue? And while you're at it tell me this, will you even bother to answer a single question that is asked of you or will you use a bland sense of humor to mask your inability to argue the topic of the thread?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #107 February 24, 2007 QuoteThe logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. 1. Your original "hands up" post on this topic was in reply to me and used the words "you", and "your house". 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. 3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. 4. Your "context" argument is bogus, since you don't know what this particular gun-toting householder saw.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #108 February 24, 2007 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). Quote3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. "Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. Actually there was no error, simply a misunderstanding by one particular individual because that interpretation fit that individuals viewpoint.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #109 February 24, 2007 Quote2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). . That's because your original post was in response to kallend (that's ME), said : "you", "your house". Don't weasel. I'm glad you have corrected your original ideas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #110 February 25, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #111 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. TWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. You should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #112 February 26, 2007 If you've ever dealt with teh police, they tend to rewrite history to benefit themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #113 February 26, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Did no one else notice the obvious; the addresses end in unlike odd/even numbers, so the genius was on the wrong side of the street. Ok, it's dark, to be a few houses down is one thing, but the other side of the road? Is this Reno 911? I'm guessing the lawyer for the injured will have noticed that as quickly as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #114 February 27, 2007 I can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to addHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #115 February 27, 2007 QuoteI can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to add But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #116 February 27, 2007 But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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kallend 2,150 #107 February 24, 2007 QuoteThe logical inference for the reader is that you were making a generic statement. Quote Logic?? I figured that anyone would be able to read the countless other posts I have left in this thread where I clarified what I was referring to and grasp it. And everyone in this thread with the exception of one has come to the understanding that in my original statement I was directly referring to this situation. That is exactly why I posted my correction. Yet four pages later and after 5, 6, who know's how many posts you still cling to YOUR interpretation of my first statement which I have re-stated and corrected many times over. 1. Your original "hands up" post on this topic was in reply to me and used the words "you", and "your house". 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. 3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. 4. Your "context" argument is bogus, since you don't know what this particular gun-toting householder saw.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #108 February 24, 2007 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). Quote3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. "Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. Actually there was no error, simply a misunderstanding by one particular individual because that interpretation fit that individuals viewpoint.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #109 February 24, 2007 Quote2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). . That's because your original post was in response to kallend (that's ME), said : "you", "your house". Don't weasel. I'm glad you have corrected your original ideas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #110 February 25, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #111 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. TWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. You should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #112 February 26, 2007 If you've ever dealt with teh police, they tend to rewrite history to benefit themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #113 February 26, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Did no one else notice the obvious; the addresses end in unlike odd/even numbers, so the genius was on the wrong side of the street. Ok, it's dark, to be a few houses down is one thing, but the other side of the road? Is this Reno 911? I'm guessing the lawyer for the injured will have noticed that as quickly as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #114 February 27, 2007 I can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to addHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #115 February 27, 2007 QuoteI can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to add But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #116 February 27, 2007 But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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GQ_jumper 4 #108 February 24, 2007 2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). Quote3. Thank you for recognizing and correcting your original error. "Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. Actually there was no error, simply a misunderstanding by one particular individual because that interpretation fit that individuals viewpoint.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #109 February 24, 2007 Quote2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). . That's because your original post was in response to kallend (that's ME), said : "you", "your house". Don't weasel. I'm glad you have corrected your original ideas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #110 February 25, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #111 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. TWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. You should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #112 February 26, 2007 If you've ever dealt with teh police, they tend to rewrite history to benefit themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #113 February 26, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Did no one else notice the obvious; the addresses end in unlike odd/even numbers, so the genius was on the wrong side of the street. Ok, it's dark, to be a few houses down is one thing, but the other side of the road? Is this Reno 911? I'm guessing the lawyer for the injured will have noticed that as quickly as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #114 February 27, 2007 I can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to addHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #115 February 27, 2007 QuoteI can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to add But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #116 February 27, 2007 But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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kallend 2,150 #109 February 24, 2007 Quote2. My response was to that post, not to your "correction" which came later. Quote You continued to respond to that original post after repeated attempts to clarify it for YOU(I capitalize the word you because everyone else in this thread picked up on it from the beginning). . That's because your original post was in response to kallend (that's ME), said : "you", "your house". Don't weasel. I'm glad you have corrected your original ideas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #110 February 25, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #111 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. TWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. You should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #112 February 26, 2007 If you've ever dealt with teh police, they tend to rewrite history to benefit themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #113 February 26, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Did no one else notice the obvious; the addresses end in unlike odd/even numbers, so the genius was on the wrong side of the street. Ok, it's dark, to be a few houses down is one thing, but the other side of the road? Is this Reno 911? I'm guessing the lawyer for the injured will have noticed that as quickly as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #114 February 27, 2007 I can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to addHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #115 February 27, 2007 QuoteI can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to add But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #116 February 27, 2007 But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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DaVinci 0 #110 February 25, 2007 QuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #111 February 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou keep confusing two different situations: 1. You hear strange noises and don't know who it is 2. You SEE a cop approaching your house. The scenario I'm discussing is this one originally brought up by GQ_jumper. So please try to stick to the point. GQ said basicly that if approched by a cop you should not act like a crook. A very good idea. YOU choose to debate him over that. Given the choice of listening to a guy that is trained to carry a gun, and a guy that teaches physics...He wins. TWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. You should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #112 February 26, 2007 If you've ever dealt with teh police, they tend to rewrite history to benefit themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #113 February 26, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Did no one else notice the obvious; the addresses end in unlike odd/even numbers, so the genius was on the wrong side of the street. Ok, it's dark, to be a few houses down is one thing, but the other side of the road? Is this Reno 911? I'm guessing the lawyer for the injured will have noticed that as quickly as I did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #114 February 27, 2007 I can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to addHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #115 February 27, 2007 QuoteI can agree with you completely if he were in a city, but wasn't this story from the country? I used to live way out in the country and houses were so far apart that you couldn't really see the patterns with addresses. Just a little bit of info to add But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #116 February 27, 2007 But in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Lucky... 0 #117 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. I was a process server for a while, but delivery drivers, cab drivers and all people who need to find an address and are close look to the odd/even thing as a reference to see which side they need to be looking on. I hope the attnys for the shot guy have the sense to address that, altho it might be somewhat irrelevant, but they could argue that if the cop knew the difference between even/odd, left/right that this could have been avoided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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rehmwa 2 #118 February 27, 2007 Most rurals areas (at least in the Midwest) now follow an organized street/address# convention (instead of the old Rural Route 2/Box# convention). It's done to make fire fighting, services easier to locate addresses. If this is the case in this incident, you are correct that the officer should have had a more clear idea of the where the call location was. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #119 February 27, 2007 QuoteBut in a county jurisdiction don't the ods / evens remain constant? Here the East and SOuth side of the road is odd, it's that way throughout the county. So I disagree, the officer should have known if it's his beat.Quote I don't know the answer to that one off-hand, you may very well be right. It is always the same ask a mailman or a land surveyor, hey wait a minute... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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lawrocket 3 #120 March 7, 2007 Update: The Fresno County District Attorney has charged the wounded farmer with: 1) possession of an assault weapon; and 2) assaulting a police officer. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/33764.html While the story does balance the versions of events and theories from both sides pretty well, I am dismayed by the lack of balance showed in terms of character. This farmer has now had his history of police contacts published for all to see but we don't even know the name of the deputy involved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #121 March 7, 2007 The Sheriff's Department says Srabian charged the deputy and, when he was 12 yards away, pointed his gun at the patrol car. Sciandra said Srabian's brother witnessed the whole incident and never saw Srabian point his gun at the deputyQuote I find the prosecutions case to be highly suspicious and also it is true that when you don't have a case attack the accuser. Anyone else wanna make a bet the police dept and the prosecutors are trying to smear this guy just to win? His past offenses are being aired for all to see and yet there is still only one side of the story being force fed to the media. I would also wager that if the cop were to face trial there would be a move to dismiss due to the "publicity of the case" even though the police and SA's office are the ones putting out all the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
DaVinci 0 #122 March 7, 2007 Quote"Hands up" is NOT the appropriate way to greet a visiting cop at my house. But you still still not make sudden moves or act in a threatening manner. Cops like to be able to see a persons hands when they are responding to a call. It never hurts to do it. That does not mean hands up, but hands in clear view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #123 March 7, 2007 QuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carmenc 0 #124 March 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteTWO Logical fallacies. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they are. One is that you never admit you are wrong. You are the first to state when you have a background that makes you the expert, but the last to bow down to someone else when they are the expert. QuoteYou should go back to the Pelosi - "I want my jet" thread, you were doing better there All I did there was keep pointing out your hypocrisy. Well, what do you know....Oh never mind. You fiqure it out. daVinci, I see "appeal to authority" and "ad hominem" in your post. Did I miss one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #125 March 8, 2007 Man, that's pretty f*cked up. I don't think this was anyone's fault. The farmer came out cuz he heard a noise outside so he went out with a gun to investigate the problem. The only problem with that is, he probably didn't holster his gun and had it pointed out or in his hand. The Deputy probably reacted first and out of reflex or fear that he might lose his life fired shots at the farmer. It was probably pretty dark outside and they both had suspicions that there might possibly be someone out there that was up to no good. About him being handcuffed to his bed, yeah it's pretty fucked up too. However, since the article mentioned that he was being arrested and listed the offenses he was being charged with, he was in the law's eyes, a criminal. I can never understand law and its technicalities but instead of going through the motions someone should have nullified the arrest. I guess since a cop shot another person that's what the law wants and I guess things will get cleared up in court and what not. What it boils down to is that we're all American so we have to respect the law, courts and judges. Hopefully this farmer can hire a smart attorney and get money to pay for his medical bills, and whatever he loses from not being able to take care of his farm and what not.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
