GQ_jumper 4 #26 February 21, 2007 I still think that mandatory training and education would not be such a bad thing for those who want to own a gun. Quote I'll second that oneHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #27 February 21, 2007 QuoteSimple solution, you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions. The majority of these accidental shooting are the fault of the "victim". . That's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy. Whatever happened to Officer Friendly? I guess he became scared of gun toting civilians. I thought the person pulling the trigger was responsible for a shooting, not the victim. Guns must have changed a lot since I was in a gun club.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #28 February 21, 2007 That's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #29 February 21, 2007 QuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shermanator 4 #30 February 21, 2007 I'm more concerned with the cop fired several shots, and only hit him once. .. the homeowner is lucky he was not killed.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #31 February 21, 2007 Quote>the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. Unless the person he met wasn't a cop and had ill intent. Then he may still have been shot. Lucky for him the cop wasn't a very good shot. The range was probably far - far enough that shooting on sight wasn't necessary. I suspect the charges are dropped, but any settlement will be contested. The owner may have enough blame to make it a wash. There's a presumption here that it was obvious it was a cop, and a likely falsehood that the homeowner was wearing a ski mask. It looks to me like everyone is playing the usual game in Incidents of filling in details and making sweeping conclusions based on them. A wiser course of action would be to either conceal the weapon, or at least not have it pointed directly at the visitor, with a demand that the stranger identify himself. And clearly the advantages of clearly painting your address in big block numbers is seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #32 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, especially when you are twisting the words of one of the people who for the most part always defends the cops in discussions such as this. So how does me saying that you should approach a cop searching your home in a non-threatening manner imply that the cop is the enemy? That would be like saying that turning the light on in your car and putting your hands on the wheel while the cop approaches you during a traffic stop is making him/her the enemy. Police officers are attacked all the time for doing their jobs, so showing yourself to not be a threat is simply ensuring the safety of both you and the cop.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #33 February 21, 2007 QuoteThere's a presumption here that it was obvious it was a cop, and a likely falsehood that the homeowner was wearing a ski mask. It looks to me like everyone is playing the usual game in Incidents of filling in details and making sweeping conclusions based on them. Nice. Here is part of Srabian's story: QuoteSrabian's attorney says his client heard a loud bang and screeching outside when he picked up a handgun and went to check things out. QuoteSrabian's attorney disputes that saying his client never pointed it at the officer. Instead, he claims Srabian was blinded by a spotlight shining on him and couldn't see who was in his driveway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #34 February 21, 2007 QuoteYou have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, Get used to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #35 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? You suggested approaching a cop coming to your home with hands up. Do you deny it? If things have gotten so bad that we need to approach cops with hands up to avoid being shot, then the police state is already here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #36 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #37 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #38 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #39 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real. OK let's see, cops get shot everyday doing routine work. countless cops have lost their lives when they were simply approaching a driver for a traffic stop and the driver pulled out a gun and shot. So it's easy to understand that regardless of the situation a cop wants to to on their guard and ready for anything. So would you consider it making them an enemy or putting their mind at ease by showing them that you want to cooperate and help them do their job. Is it 100% necessary to do this everytime you are approached? No, it isn't. Is it a good idea to assume a non-threatening posture(non-threatening can mean anything from putting your hands up to identifying yourself and simply putting your hands somewhere visible) when being approached by a cop? Absolutely. Doing so in no way makes the cop an enemy, it shows that you are not a threat, and willing to cooperate to help resolve a situation. I see only one person in this discussion making the cops the enemy and that's you.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #40 February 21, 2007 Quote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #41 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Hunters point guns at animals they intend to eat. Police point guns at people. Ergo, police intend to eat people. It's mind-boggling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FreeflyChile 0 #42 February 21, 2007 But i thought the guys on that plane in south america were rugby players, not cops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #43 February 21, 2007 QuoteHow is that treating cops like the enemy? I thought it was about courtesy to someone who has to work a sometimes dangerous and stressful job. "Hands up?", I really doubt it, but I wouldn't be furtive or twitchy - he doesn't know me from any other stranger. If pulled over, I put my wallet and ins card on the dash and tell him if I need to get anything that's not in his line of sight. I wouldn't keep the window up and my hands under my coat and make sudden moves. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 February 21, 2007 >How is that treating cops like the enemy? Today, if a police officer was to approach me, I'd say hello and ask him what was up. I would expect him to ask me questions about something, or warn me of some problem in the neighborhood. I suspect you would do something similar. If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #45 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #46 February 21, 2007 If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote I agree with you again Bill, I guess I should have clarified exactly what I was trying to get across when I said put your hands up and announce yourself. I was gearing that statement more towards this particular situation. If I heard someone enter my home, armed myself and went to investigate the first thing I would do if I saw it was a cop would be just that. Announce myself put the weapon down and step away from it with my hands up. Every situation is different, but one thing remains the same in all of them, if you take an active role in identifying yourself as non-threatening to the officer you have nothing to worry about.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #47 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) I do it to annoy NCclimber.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #50 February 22, 2007 False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches. Quote And when you've already walked out of you home wielding a firearm and you notice a cop coming at you which of those options would be best?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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kallend 2,150 #27 February 21, 2007 QuoteSimple solution, you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions. The majority of these accidental shooting are the fault of the "victim". . That's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy. Whatever happened to Officer Friendly? I guess he became scared of gun toting civilians. I thought the person pulling the trigger was responsible for a shooting, not the victim. Guns must have changed a lot since I was in a gun club.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #28 February 21, 2007 That's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #29 February 21, 2007 QuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shermanator 4 #30 February 21, 2007 I'm more concerned with the cop fired several shots, and only hit him once. .. the homeowner is lucky he was not killed.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #31 February 21, 2007 Quote>the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. Unless the person he met wasn't a cop and had ill intent. Then he may still have been shot. Lucky for him the cop wasn't a very good shot. The range was probably far - far enough that shooting on sight wasn't necessary. I suspect the charges are dropped, but any settlement will be contested. The owner may have enough blame to make it a wash. There's a presumption here that it was obvious it was a cop, and a likely falsehood that the homeowner was wearing a ski mask. It looks to me like everyone is playing the usual game in Incidents of filling in details and making sweeping conclusions based on them. A wiser course of action would be to either conceal the weapon, or at least not have it pointed directly at the visitor, with a demand that the stranger identify himself. And clearly the advantages of clearly painting your address in big block numbers is seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #32 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, especially when you are twisting the words of one of the people who for the most part always defends the cops in discussions such as this. So how does me saying that you should approach a cop searching your home in a non-threatening manner imply that the cop is the enemy? That would be like saying that turning the light on in your car and putting your hands on the wheel while the cop approaches you during a traffic stop is making him/her the enemy. Police officers are attacked all the time for doing their jobs, so showing yourself to not be a threat is simply ensuring the safety of both you and the cop.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #33 February 21, 2007 QuoteThere's a presumption here that it was obvious it was a cop, and a likely falsehood that the homeowner was wearing a ski mask. It looks to me like everyone is playing the usual game in Incidents of filling in details and making sweeping conclusions based on them. Nice. Here is part of Srabian's story: QuoteSrabian's attorney says his client heard a loud bang and screeching outside when he picked up a handgun and went to check things out. QuoteSrabian's attorney disputes that saying his client never pointed it at the officer. Instead, he claims Srabian was blinded by a spotlight shining on him and couldn't see who was in his driveway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #34 February 21, 2007 QuoteYou have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, Get used to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #35 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? You suggested approaching a cop coming to your home with hands up. Do you deny it? If things have gotten so bad that we need to approach cops with hands up to avoid being shot, then the police state is already here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #36 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #37 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #38 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #39 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real. OK let's see, cops get shot everyday doing routine work. countless cops have lost their lives when they were simply approaching a driver for a traffic stop and the driver pulled out a gun and shot. So it's easy to understand that regardless of the situation a cop wants to to on their guard and ready for anything. So would you consider it making them an enemy or putting their mind at ease by showing them that you want to cooperate and help them do their job. Is it 100% necessary to do this everytime you are approached? No, it isn't. Is it a good idea to assume a non-threatening posture(non-threatening can mean anything from putting your hands up to identifying yourself and simply putting your hands somewhere visible) when being approached by a cop? Absolutely. Doing so in no way makes the cop an enemy, it shows that you are not a threat, and willing to cooperate to help resolve a situation. I see only one person in this discussion making the cops the enemy and that's you.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #40 February 21, 2007 Quote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #41 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Hunters point guns at animals they intend to eat. Police point guns at people. Ergo, police intend to eat people. It's mind-boggling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FreeflyChile 0 #42 February 21, 2007 But i thought the guys on that plane in south america were rugby players, not cops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #43 February 21, 2007 QuoteHow is that treating cops like the enemy? I thought it was about courtesy to someone who has to work a sometimes dangerous and stressful job. "Hands up?", I really doubt it, but I wouldn't be furtive or twitchy - he doesn't know me from any other stranger. If pulled over, I put my wallet and ins card on the dash and tell him if I need to get anything that's not in his line of sight. I wouldn't keep the window up and my hands under my coat and make sudden moves. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 February 21, 2007 >How is that treating cops like the enemy? Today, if a police officer was to approach me, I'd say hello and ask him what was up. I would expect him to ask me questions about something, or warn me of some problem in the neighborhood. I suspect you would do something similar. If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #45 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #46 February 21, 2007 If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote I agree with you again Bill, I guess I should have clarified exactly what I was trying to get across when I said put your hands up and announce yourself. I was gearing that statement more towards this particular situation. If I heard someone enter my home, armed myself and went to investigate the first thing I would do if I saw it was a cop would be just that. Announce myself put the weapon down and step away from it with my hands up. Every situation is different, but one thing remains the same in all of them, if you take an active role in identifying yourself as non-threatening to the officer you have nothing to worry about.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #47 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) I do it to annoy NCclimber.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #50 February 22, 2007 False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches. Quote And when you've already walked out of you home wielding a firearm and you notice a cop coming at you which of those options would be best?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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kallend 2,150 #29 February 21, 2007 QuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shermanator 4 #30 February 21, 2007 I'm more concerned with the cop fired several shots, and only hit him once. .. the homeowner is lucky he was not killed.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #31 February 21, 2007 Quote>the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. Unless the person he met wasn't a cop and had ill intent. Then he may still have been shot. Lucky for him the cop wasn't a very good shot. The range was probably far - far enough that shooting on sight wasn't necessary. I suspect the charges are dropped, but any settlement will be contested. The owner may have enough blame to make it a wash. There's a presumption here that it was obvious it was a cop, and a likely falsehood that the homeowner was wearing a ski mask. It looks to me like everyone is playing the usual game in Incidents of filling in details and making sweeping conclusions based on them. A wiser course of action would be to either conceal the weapon, or at least not have it pointed directly at the visitor, with a demand that the stranger identify himself. And clearly the advantages of clearly painting your address in big block numbers is seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #32 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, especially when you are twisting the words of one of the people who for the most part always defends the cops in discussions such as this. So how does me saying that you should approach a cop searching your home in a non-threatening manner imply that the cop is the enemy? That would be like saying that turning the light on in your car and putting your hands on the wheel while the cop approaches you during a traffic stop is making him/her the enemy. Police officers are attacked all the time for doing their jobs, so showing yourself to not be a threat is simply ensuring the safety of both you and the cop.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #33 February 21, 2007 QuoteThere's a presumption here that it was obvious it was a cop, and a likely falsehood that the homeowner was wearing a ski mask. It looks to me like everyone is playing the usual game in Incidents of filling in details and making sweeping conclusions based on them. Nice. Here is part of Srabian's story: QuoteSrabian's attorney says his client heard a loud bang and screeching outside when he picked up a handgun and went to check things out. QuoteSrabian's attorney disputes that saying his client never pointed it at the officer. Instead, he claims Srabian was blinded by a spotlight shining on him and couldn't see who was in his driveway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #34 February 21, 2007 QuoteYou have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, Get used to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #35 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? You suggested approaching a cop coming to your home with hands up. Do you deny it? If things have gotten so bad that we need to approach cops with hands up to avoid being shot, then the police state is already here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #36 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #37 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #38 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #39 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real. OK let's see, cops get shot everyday doing routine work. countless cops have lost their lives when they were simply approaching a driver for a traffic stop and the driver pulled out a gun and shot. So it's easy to understand that regardless of the situation a cop wants to to on their guard and ready for anything. So would you consider it making them an enemy or putting their mind at ease by showing them that you want to cooperate and help them do their job. Is it 100% necessary to do this everytime you are approached? No, it isn't. Is it a good idea to assume a non-threatening posture(non-threatening can mean anything from putting your hands up to identifying yourself and simply putting your hands somewhere visible) when being approached by a cop? Absolutely. Doing so in no way makes the cop an enemy, it shows that you are not a threat, and willing to cooperate to help resolve a situation. I see only one person in this discussion making the cops the enemy and that's you.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #40 February 21, 2007 Quote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #41 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Hunters point guns at animals they intend to eat. Police point guns at people. Ergo, police intend to eat people. It's mind-boggling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FreeflyChile 0 #42 February 21, 2007 But i thought the guys on that plane in south america were rugby players, not cops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #43 February 21, 2007 QuoteHow is that treating cops like the enemy? I thought it was about courtesy to someone who has to work a sometimes dangerous and stressful job. "Hands up?", I really doubt it, but I wouldn't be furtive or twitchy - he doesn't know me from any other stranger. If pulled over, I put my wallet and ins card on the dash and tell him if I need to get anything that's not in his line of sight. I wouldn't keep the window up and my hands under my coat and make sudden moves. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 February 21, 2007 >How is that treating cops like the enemy? Today, if a police officer was to approach me, I'd say hello and ask him what was up. I would expect him to ask me questions about something, or warn me of some problem in the neighborhood. I suspect you would do something similar. If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #45 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #46 February 21, 2007 If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote I agree with you again Bill, I guess I should have clarified exactly what I was trying to get across when I said put your hands up and announce yourself. I was gearing that statement more towards this particular situation. If I heard someone enter my home, armed myself and went to investigate the first thing I would do if I saw it was a cop would be just that. Announce myself put the weapon down and step away from it with my hands up. Every situation is different, but one thing remains the same in all of them, if you take an active role in identifying yourself as non-threatening to the officer you have nothing to worry about.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #47 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) I do it to annoy NCclimber.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #50 February 22, 2007 False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches. Quote And when you've already walked out of you home wielding a firearm and you notice a cop coming at you which of those options would be best?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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shermanator 4 #30 February 21, 2007 I'm more concerned with the cop fired several shots, and only hit him once. .. the homeowner is lucky he was not killed.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #31 February 21, 2007 Quote>the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. Unless the person he met wasn't a cop and had ill intent. Then he may still have been shot. Lucky for him the cop wasn't a very good shot. The range was probably far - far enough that shooting on sight wasn't necessary. I suspect the charges are dropped, but any settlement will be contested. The owner may have enough blame to make it a wash. There's a presumption here that it was obvious it was a cop, and a likely falsehood that the homeowner was wearing a ski mask. It looks to me like everyone is playing the usual game in Incidents of filling in details and making sweeping conclusions based on them. A wiser course of action would be to either conceal the weapon, or at least not have it pointed directly at the visitor, with a demand that the stranger identify himself. And clearly the advantages of clearly painting your address in big block numbers is seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #32 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, especially when you are twisting the words of one of the people who for the most part always defends the cops in discussions such as this. So how does me saying that you should approach a cop searching your home in a non-threatening manner imply that the cop is the enemy? That would be like saying that turning the light on in your car and putting your hands on the wheel while the cop approaches you during a traffic stop is making him/her the enemy. Police officers are attacked all the time for doing their jobs, so showing yourself to not be a threat is simply ensuring the safety of both you and the cop.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #33 February 21, 2007 QuoteThere's a presumption here that it was obvious it was a cop, and a likely falsehood that the homeowner was wearing a ski mask. It looks to me like everyone is playing the usual game in Incidents of filling in details and making sweeping conclusions based on them. Nice. Here is part of Srabian's story: QuoteSrabian's attorney says his client heard a loud bang and screeching outside when he picked up a handgun and went to check things out. QuoteSrabian's attorney disputes that saying his client never pointed it at the officer. Instead, he claims Srabian was blinded by a spotlight shining on him and couldn't see who was in his driveway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #34 February 21, 2007 QuoteYou have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, Get used to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #35 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? You suggested approaching a cop coming to your home with hands up. Do you deny it? If things have gotten so bad that we need to approach cops with hands up to avoid being shot, then the police state is already here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #36 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #37 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #38 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #39 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real. OK let's see, cops get shot everyday doing routine work. countless cops have lost their lives when they were simply approaching a driver for a traffic stop and the driver pulled out a gun and shot. So it's easy to understand that regardless of the situation a cop wants to to on their guard and ready for anything. So would you consider it making them an enemy or putting their mind at ease by showing them that you want to cooperate and help them do their job. Is it 100% necessary to do this everytime you are approached? No, it isn't. Is it a good idea to assume a non-threatening posture(non-threatening can mean anything from putting your hands up to identifying yourself and simply putting your hands somewhere visible) when being approached by a cop? Absolutely. Doing so in no way makes the cop an enemy, it shows that you are not a threat, and willing to cooperate to help resolve a situation. I see only one person in this discussion making the cops the enemy and that's you.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #40 February 21, 2007 Quote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #41 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Hunters point guns at animals they intend to eat. Police point guns at people. Ergo, police intend to eat people. It's mind-boggling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FreeflyChile 0 #42 February 21, 2007 But i thought the guys on that plane in south america were rugby players, not cops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #43 February 21, 2007 QuoteHow is that treating cops like the enemy? I thought it was about courtesy to someone who has to work a sometimes dangerous and stressful job. "Hands up?", I really doubt it, but I wouldn't be furtive or twitchy - he doesn't know me from any other stranger. If pulled over, I put my wallet and ins card on the dash and tell him if I need to get anything that's not in his line of sight. I wouldn't keep the window up and my hands under my coat and make sudden moves. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 February 21, 2007 >How is that treating cops like the enemy? Today, if a police officer was to approach me, I'd say hello and ask him what was up. I would expect him to ask me questions about something, or warn me of some problem in the neighborhood. I suspect you would do something similar. If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #45 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #46 February 21, 2007 If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote I agree with you again Bill, I guess I should have clarified exactly what I was trying to get across when I said put your hands up and announce yourself. I was gearing that statement more towards this particular situation. If I heard someone enter my home, armed myself and went to investigate the first thing I would do if I saw it was a cop would be just that. Announce myself put the weapon down and step away from it with my hands up. Every situation is different, but one thing remains the same in all of them, if you take an active role in identifying yourself as non-threatening to the officer you have nothing to worry about.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #47 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) I do it to annoy NCclimber.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #50 February 22, 2007 False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches. Quote And when you've already walked out of you home wielding a firearm and you notice a cop coming at you which of those options would be best?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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NCclimber 0 #33 February 21, 2007 QuoteThere's a presumption here that it was obvious it was a cop, and a likely falsehood that the homeowner was wearing a ski mask. It looks to me like everyone is playing the usual game in Incidents of filling in details and making sweeping conclusions based on them. Nice. Here is part of Srabian's story: QuoteSrabian's attorney says his client heard a loud bang and screeching outside when he picked up a handgun and went to check things out. QuoteSrabian's attorney disputes that saying his client never pointed it at the officer. Instead, he claims Srabian was blinded by a spotlight shining on him and couldn't see who was in his driveway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #34 February 21, 2007 QuoteYou have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, Get used to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #35 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? You suggested approaching a cop coming to your home with hands up. Do you deny it? If things have gotten so bad that we need to approach cops with hands up to avoid being shot, then the police state is already here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #36 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #37 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #38 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #39 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real. OK let's see, cops get shot everyday doing routine work. countless cops have lost their lives when they were simply approaching a driver for a traffic stop and the driver pulled out a gun and shot. So it's easy to understand that regardless of the situation a cop wants to to on their guard and ready for anything. So would you consider it making them an enemy or putting their mind at ease by showing them that you want to cooperate and help them do their job. Is it 100% necessary to do this everytime you are approached? No, it isn't. Is it a good idea to assume a non-threatening posture(non-threatening can mean anything from putting your hands up to identifying yourself and simply putting your hands somewhere visible) when being approached by a cop? Absolutely. Doing so in no way makes the cop an enemy, it shows that you are not a threat, and willing to cooperate to help resolve a situation. I see only one person in this discussion making the cops the enemy and that's you.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #40 February 21, 2007 Quote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #41 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Hunters point guns at animals they intend to eat. Police point guns at people. Ergo, police intend to eat people. It's mind-boggling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FreeflyChile 0 #42 February 21, 2007 But i thought the guys on that plane in south america were rugby players, not cops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #43 February 21, 2007 QuoteHow is that treating cops like the enemy? I thought it was about courtesy to someone who has to work a sometimes dangerous and stressful job. "Hands up?", I really doubt it, but I wouldn't be furtive or twitchy - he doesn't know me from any other stranger. If pulled over, I put my wallet and ins card on the dash and tell him if I need to get anything that's not in his line of sight. I wouldn't keep the window up and my hands under my coat and make sudden moves. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 February 21, 2007 >How is that treating cops like the enemy? Today, if a police officer was to approach me, I'd say hello and ask him what was up. I would expect him to ask me questions about something, or warn me of some problem in the neighborhood. I suspect you would do something similar. If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #45 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #46 February 21, 2007 If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote I agree with you again Bill, I guess I should have clarified exactly what I was trying to get across when I said put your hands up and announce yourself. I was gearing that statement more towards this particular situation. If I heard someone enter my home, armed myself and went to investigate the first thing I would do if I saw it was a cop would be just that. Announce myself put the weapon down and step away from it with my hands up. Every situation is different, but one thing remains the same in all of them, if you take an active role in identifying yourself as non-threatening to the officer you have nothing to worry about.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #47 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) I do it to annoy NCclimber.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #50 February 22, 2007 False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches. Quote And when you've already walked out of you home wielding a firearm and you notice a cop coming at you which of those options would be best?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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NCclimber 0 #36 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #37 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #38 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #39 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real. OK let's see, cops get shot everyday doing routine work. countless cops have lost their lives when they were simply approaching a driver for a traffic stop and the driver pulled out a gun and shot. So it's easy to understand that regardless of the situation a cop wants to to on their guard and ready for anything. So would you consider it making them an enemy or putting their mind at ease by showing them that you want to cooperate and help them do their job. Is it 100% necessary to do this everytime you are approached? No, it isn't. Is it a good idea to assume a non-threatening posture(non-threatening can mean anything from putting your hands up to identifying yourself and simply putting your hands somewhere visible) when being approached by a cop? Absolutely. Doing so in no way makes the cop an enemy, it shows that you are not a threat, and willing to cooperate to help resolve a situation. I see only one person in this discussion making the cops the enemy and that's you.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #40 February 21, 2007 Quote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #41 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Hunters point guns at animals they intend to eat. Police point guns at people. Ergo, police intend to eat people. It's mind-boggling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FreeflyChile 0 #42 February 21, 2007 But i thought the guys on that plane in south america were rugby players, not cops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #43 February 21, 2007 QuoteHow is that treating cops like the enemy? I thought it was about courtesy to someone who has to work a sometimes dangerous and stressful job. "Hands up?", I really doubt it, but I wouldn't be furtive or twitchy - he doesn't know me from any other stranger. If pulled over, I put my wallet and ins card on the dash and tell him if I need to get anything that's not in his line of sight. I wouldn't keep the window up and my hands under my coat and make sudden moves. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 February 21, 2007 >How is that treating cops like the enemy? Today, if a police officer was to approach me, I'd say hello and ask him what was up. I would expect him to ask me questions about something, or warn me of some problem in the neighborhood. I suspect you would do something similar. If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #45 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #46 February 21, 2007 If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote I agree with you again Bill, I guess I should have clarified exactly what I was trying to get across when I said put your hands up and announce yourself. I was gearing that statement more towards this particular situation. If I heard someone enter my home, armed myself and went to investigate the first thing I would do if I saw it was a cop would be just that. Announce myself put the weapon down and step away from it with my hands up. Every situation is different, but one thing remains the same in all of them, if you take an active role in identifying yourself as non-threatening to the officer you have nothing to worry about.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #47 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) I do it to annoy NCclimber.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #50 February 22, 2007 False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches. Quote And when you've already walked out of you home wielding a firearm and you notice a cop coming at you which of those options would be best?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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kallend 2,150 #37 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #38 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #39 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real. OK let's see, cops get shot everyday doing routine work. countless cops have lost their lives when they were simply approaching a driver for a traffic stop and the driver pulled out a gun and shot. So it's easy to understand that regardless of the situation a cop wants to to on their guard and ready for anything. So would you consider it making them an enemy or putting their mind at ease by showing them that you want to cooperate and help them do their job. Is it 100% necessary to do this everytime you are approached? No, it isn't. Is it a good idea to assume a non-threatening posture(non-threatening can mean anything from putting your hands up to identifying yourself and simply putting your hands somewhere visible) when being approached by a cop? Absolutely. Doing so in no way makes the cop an enemy, it shows that you are not a threat, and willing to cooperate to help resolve a situation. I see only one person in this discussion making the cops the enemy and that's you.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #40 February 21, 2007 Quote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #41 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Hunters point guns at animals they intend to eat. Police point guns at people. Ergo, police intend to eat people. It's mind-boggling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FreeflyChile 0 #42 February 21, 2007 But i thought the guys on that plane in south america were rugby players, not cops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #43 February 21, 2007 QuoteHow is that treating cops like the enemy? I thought it was about courtesy to someone who has to work a sometimes dangerous and stressful job. "Hands up?", I really doubt it, but I wouldn't be furtive or twitchy - he doesn't know me from any other stranger. If pulled over, I put my wallet and ins card on the dash and tell him if I need to get anything that's not in his line of sight. I wouldn't keep the window up and my hands under my coat and make sudden moves. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 February 21, 2007 >How is that treating cops like the enemy? Today, if a police officer was to approach me, I'd say hello and ask him what was up. I would expect him to ask me questions about something, or warn me of some problem in the neighborhood. I suspect you would do something similar. If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #45 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #46 February 21, 2007 If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote I agree with you again Bill, I guess I should have clarified exactly what I was trying to get across when I said put your hands up and announce yourself. I was gearing that statement more towards this particular situation. If I heard someone enter my home, armed myself and went to investigate the first thing I would do if I saw it was a cop would be just that. Announce myself put the weapon down and step away from it with my hands up. Every situation is different, but one thing remains the same in all of them, if you take an active role in identifying yourself as non-threatening to the officer you have nothing to worry about.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #47 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #38 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #39 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real. OK let's see, cops get shot everyday doing routine work. countless cops have lost their lives when they were simply approaching a driver for a traffic stop and the driver pulled out a gun and shot. So it's easy to understand that regardless of the situation a cop wants to to on their guard and ready for anything. So would you consider it making them an enemy or putting their mind at ease by showing them that you want to cooperate and help them do their job. Is it 100% necessary to do this everytime you are approached? No, it isn't. Is it a good idea to assume a non-threatening posture(non-threatening can mean anything from putting your hands up to identifying yourself and simply putting your hands somewhere visible) when being approached by a cop? Absolutely. Doing so in no way makes the cop an enemy, it shows that you are not a threat, and willing to cooperate to help resolve a situation. I see only one person in this discussion making the cops the enemy and that's you.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #40 February 21, 2007 Quote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #41 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Hunters point guns at animals they intend to eat. Police point guns at people. Ergo, police intend to eat people. It's mind-boggling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #39 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's the second time in two weeks that someone suggests treating cops like an enemy.Quote How did I suggest that? Please explain. Who wrote that the correct response to a cop who comes calling was "... put your hands up"? Oh, it was you! You have the most amazing way of twisting what people say, How can a direct quote of what you wrote be twisting it? It's about context. The CONTEXT is a cop approaching your house. That is exactly what he wrote. "you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" Seems like an appropriate response to the Gestapo coming calling, but my local neighborhood cop? - Get real. OK let's see, cops get shot everyday doing routine work. countless cops have lost their lives when they were simply approaching a driver for a traffic stop and the driver pulled out a gun and shot. So it's easy to understand that regardless of the situation a cop wants to to on their guard and ready for anything. So would you consider it making them an enemy or putting their mind at ease by showing them that you want to cooperate and help them do their job. Is it 100% necessary to do this everytime you are approached? No, it isn't. Is it a good idea to assume a non-threatening posture(non-threatening can mean anything from putting your hands up to identifying yourself and simply putting your hands somewhere visible) when being approached by a cop? Absolutely. Doing so in no way makes the cop an enemy, it shows that you are not a threat, and willing to cooperate to help resolve a situation. I see only one person in this discussion making the cops the enemy and that's you.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #40 February 21, 2007 Quote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #40 February 21, 2007 Quote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #41 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Hunters point guns at animals they intend to eat. Police point guns at people. Ergo, police intend to eat people. It's mind-boggling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #42 February 21, 2007 But i thought the guys on that plane in south america were rugby players, not cops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #43 February 21, 2007 QuoteHow is that treating cops like the enemy? I thought it was about courtesy to someone who has to work a sometimes dangerous and stressful job. "Hands up?", I really doubt it, but I wouldn't be furtive or twitchy - he doesn't know me from any other stranger. If pulled over, I put my wallet and ins card on the dash and tell him if I need to get anything that's not in his line of sight. I wouldn't keep the window up and my hands under my coat and make sudden moves. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #44 February 21, 2007 >How is that treating cops like the enemy? Today, if a police officer was to approach me, I'd say hello and ask him what was up. I would expect him to ask me questions about something, or warn me of some problem in the neighborhood. I suspect you would do something similar. If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #45 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #46 February 21, 2007 If I were to drop whatever I was doing, loudly announce my name and put my hands in the air "in a non-threatening position" when I saw a cop, that would be treating him like an enemy (or at least an adversary.) Indeed, it might actually make the cop _treat_ you like a perpetrator! I don't see cops that way, and I very much doubt you would do that if a cop approached your house. Quote I agree with you again Bill, I guess I should have clarified exactly what I was trying to get across when I said put your hands up and announce yourself. I was gearing that statement more towards this particular situation. If I heard someone enter my home, armed myself and went to investigate the first thing I would do if I saw it was a cop would be just that. Announce myself put the weapon down and step away from it with my hands up. Every situation is different, but one thing remains the same in all of them, if you take an active role in identifying yourself as non-threatening to the officer you have nothing to worry about.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #47 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #47 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #48 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"You see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions" How is that treating cops like the enemy? See cop coming, put my hands up. Seems like the appropriate response to the Gestapo. That is all. Despite the rhetoric, it is not OK to point a gun at a cop for approaching your property. The officer will have to use deadly force to defend himself against the potential of being shot. Your posts are amusing, "no donut shops on GPS" and "loaded wallets", ho ho ho. But if you're suggesting that an officer cannot respond with deadly force when some misguided guy points a firearm at him, you're wrong, plain & simple. Of course you've studiously avoided saying that, preferring to troll with posts about donut shops and wallets while avoiding the core point. Why don't you let us all know whether you think it's OK for an officer to respond with deadly force when a home owner points a firearm at him. False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #49 February 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops. Uh, dude, do you research ANYTHING you spout in here? http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002384719 (second paragraph) I do it to annoy NCclimber.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #50 February 22, 2007 False dichotomy: there is a WORLD of other options between pointing a gun at a cop and putting your hands up when a cop approaches. Quote And when you've already walked out of you home wielding a firearm and you notice a cop coming at you which of those options would be best?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
