warpedskydiver 0 #1 February 21, 2007 Officers Respond To Wrong Address; Homeowner Shot Get the story, pictures, and video on your phone @ myabc30.com 02/19/2007 - A Fresno County man was shot by a deputy after there was confusion on what address the deputy was responding to. Related Links VIDEO: Officer Involved Shooting Was the Wrong Person (Windows Media) Talk About This Story Watch Action News On Demand Watch ABC Primetime Online Friday night, Fresno County Sheriff's deputies went to a home to check on a 911 hang up call. An officer pulled up to a house to look for a specific address that was hard to see in rural Fowler. It turned out to be the wrong house, but investigators say the homeowner came out with a gun pointed at the deputy. The deputy felt threatened and shot the homeowner, Donnie Srabian. Srabian's family says he was just protecting his home, and the deputy overreacted. Srabian faces charges of assaulting an officer. The deputy is on administrative leave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #2 February 21, 2007 A little more info here... They handcuffed the guy to his hospital bed. Farmer shot by deputy accused Man faces charges for greeting mistaken officer's call with gun. By Jim Guy / The Fresno Bee 02/20/07 03:31:12 The family of Fowler farmer Donnie Srabian, shot by a sheriff's deputy who apparently went to the wrong home after a 911 call, is "outraged" that Srabian has been booked on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon, Srabian's attorney said Monday. "There is not a jury in the world that would convict him," attorney Sal Sciandra said. "He's at home, he hears a disturbance and walks outside. There's no question he brought a gun with him. He's in the country, and there are all kinds of problems ." Srabian, 61, was shot Friday night after the deputy was sent to investigate a 911 hangup call at 7297 E. Walter Ave., just east of Fowler, sheriff's officials said. Deputies routinely check to make sure whoever made the call is not in danger. Just minutes later, the dispatcher was notified that the deputy had been involved in a shooting. Srabian lives at a different address -- 7274 E. Walter Ave. Sheriff's Lt. Fred Lopez said Saturday that the deputy, in a marked patrol car, drove down a long driveway and pulled up in front of a farmhouse. The deputy told investigators a man wearing a ski mask and armed with a gun came out of the house and pointed the gun at him. Lopez said the deputy feared for his life and fired several shots, striking the man once. It was not known whether the man fired at the deputy. Beverly Srabian, 66, said Saturday she believed the deputy overreacted. She said her brother was wearing a beanie, not a mask, to cover his ears and protect him from the cold. After the shooting, Srabian was taken to University Medical Center, where he was in fair condition Monday with a wound in the abdomen. He was booked on suspicion of assault with a semiautomatic weapon on a peace officer and is handcuffed to a bed at UMC with a deputy nearby, Sciandra said. Sheriff's Lt. Steve Wilkins indicated such procedures are standard for anyone booked on such charges. Sciandra said he has visited Srabian at UMC and Srabian was "looking pretty good. He is able to sit up and talk." As to Srabian's state of mind, Sciandra said, "He's pretty upset." Sciandra said the Srabian family has been in the Fowler area "forever," and it was obvious Srabian believed he was being confronted by an intruder. He said no one at the home that night heard the deputy identify himself as a police officer. He said the family is investigating the possibility of a civil suit against the Sheriff's Department. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #3 February 21, 2007 Those law-abiding gun owners are just a bundle of fun, aren't they? Good job he wasn't armed with a loaded wallet like Amadou Diallo. Could have got REALLY nasty.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #4 February 21, 2007 That he's was still handcuffed to the bed is nuts. So neither of these guys called out even though they were both already fully visible such that it wasn't a matter of stalking or anything. Srabian screwed up. He could have easily called out from inside the home and announced he was armed. Instead he marched out and forced the confrontation. Again, his job is to protect his home until cops arrived, not make the arrest himself. The officer screwed up only by not announcing he was a cop. But I wonder how much warning he had before he saw a guy with a gun pointed at him. Based on the VERY limited info in the post, I'd think Srabian is most at fault. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #5 February 21, 2007 QuoteSrabian screwed up. He could have easily called out from inside the home and announced he was armed. Instead he marched out and forced the confrontation. Again, his job is to protect his home until cops arrived, not make the arrest himself. The officer screwed up only by not announcing he was a cop. But I wonder how much warning he had before he saw a guy with a gun pointed at him. QuoteSheriff's Lt. Fred Lopez said Saturday that the deputy, in a marked patrol car, drove down a long driveway and pulled up in front of a farmhouse. The deputy told investigators a man wearing a ski mask and armed with a gun came out of the house and pointed the gun at him. I would like to know if this story is accurate (especially the ski mask)."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 February 21, 2007 QuoteSheriff's Lt. Fred Lopez said Saturday that the deputy, in a marked patrol car, drove down a long driveway and pulled up in front of a farmhouse. The deputy told investigators a man wearing a ski mask and armed with a gun came out of the house and pointed the gun at him. so we agree that Srabian is at fault due to stupid choices? Or are you saying that Srabian set it up in order to get a fat settlement? Or are you just noting that either Srabian is blind or the cop didn't bother to turn on his 'cop lights' on the cop car ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #7 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteSheriff's Lt. Fred Lopez said Saturday that the deputy, in a marked patrol car, drove down a long driveway and pulled up in front of a farmhouse. The deputy told investigators a man wearing a ski mask and armed with a gun came out of the house and pointed the gun at him. so we agree that Srabian is at fault due to stupid choices? Or are you saying that Srabian set it up in order to get a fat settlement? Or are you just noting that either Srabian is blind or the cop didn't bother to turn on his 'cop lights' on the cop car What I am saying is that if a cop in a marked patrol car arrives at your house and you walk out with a ski mask on and point a gun at the cop you are going to get shot and it is your own fault."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #8 February 21, 2007 This should get interesting as more info comes out. I can't see how anyone can make a judgement one way or the other just from what is posted here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #9 February 21, 2007 QuoteThis should get interesting as more info comes out. I can't see how anyone can make a judgement one way or the other just from what is posted here. I don't know about that. I think we can fairly conclude that having a gun in the home for self-defense may well backfire on you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #10 February 21, 2007 I don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #11 February 21, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. GPS databases don't show donut shops.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jm951 0 #12 February 21, 2007 Read the report on the rise in SWAT squads and warrantless searches. You'll be shocked at how often this happens. http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #13 February 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis should get interesting as more info comes out. I can't see how anyone can make a judgement one way or the other just from what is posted here. I don't know about that. I think we can fairly conclude that having a gun in the home for self-defense may well backfire on you. And so can doing your own plumbing repairs, lawn mowing, etc. Leave it to you to pull some out of context meaning from this. I was refering to a judgement of fault, not of whether homeowners having guns is good or bad. If you're going to reply to someone's post at least stay on subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #14 February 21, 2007 QuoteI don't understand why police cras don't have GPS units in them. With how cheao they are these days, he would have never turned onto the wrong driveway. The problem with some of these GPS systems is that they are inexact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #15 February 21, 2007 Mine is pretty exact, exact enought o tell me where I am going in Rural areas and preventing me from turning onto the wrong driveway. An it is one of the cheapest models out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #16 February 21, 2007 Whoops. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 February 21, 2007 QuoteWhat I am saying is that if a cop in a marked patrol car arrives at your house and you walk out with a ski mask on and point a gun at the cop you are going to get shot and it is your own fault. From what's given so far, I agree. Even if the ear covers were innocuous. (Now, if the cop quietly rolled up with his lights off and parked down the driveway a bit in shadow and then the cop snuck up, I can't fault Srabian for getting his gun. But I still fault Srabian for 1 - not calling the cops 2 - going outside instead of staying inside and guarding his house from a safe vantage point 3 - not announcing he was home and was armed So no matter how I look at it, it was Srabian's fault.) Still think having him handcuffed at this point is stupid though, he's not a threat. This is under the category of - Accident: Homeowner was stupid not - Law broken ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #18 February 21, 2007 I don't know about that. I think we can fairly conclude that having a gun in the home for self-defense may well backfire on you.Quote As previosly stated it wasn't simply the fact that the homeowner had a gun that caused the incident, the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Pretty weak argument you have there Kallend.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #19 February 21, 2007 QuoteI don't know about that. I think we can fairly conclude that having a gun in the home for self-defense may well backfire on you.Quote As previosly stated it wasn't simply the fact that the homeowner had a gun that caused the incident, the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Pretty weak argument you have there Kallend. I bet he felt MACHO when he went outside in that mask with his gun! But you're right, drawing a loaded wallet is enough for the cops to shoot you, you don't NEED a gun.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #20 February 21, 2007 >the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #21 February 21, 2007 Simple solution, you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions. The majority of these accidental shooting are the fault of the "victim". This guy brought it on himself, he was in his house so he held the "high ground" if someone was coming after him, why would you leave the house and level the playing field? He was an idiot and brought this on himself by running out with a weapon looking for a fight.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #22 February 21, 2007 Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. Quote I agree with you 100% Bill, I just disagree with Kallend implying that it's the fault of gun ownership. When someone uses a firearm to protect their home in a reasonable manner you don't have situations like this.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #23 February 21, 2007 Quote>the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. actually, I think the weapon the cop was carrying made his bad decision worse for the homeowner He needed to make his stand inside and shouted to the (perceived) intruder, they'd have then had time to figure it out. It's gross, but he'll likely get a couple million dollars for his bad choices ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #24 February 21, 2007 QuoteI agree with you 100% Bill, I just disagree with Kallend implying that it's the fault of gun ownership. When someone uses a firearm to protect their home in a reasonable manner you don't have situations like this. What is reasonable to you isn't reasonable to others. To me this is a pretty clear case of why education and training is a must for those desiring to own guns. Yes, the homeowner made some bad decisions, but it was the firearm he was holding that got him shot. I think we can reasonably assume that if he had been holding any other object, he would likely not have been shot. I still think that mandatory training and education would not be such a bad thing for those who want to own a gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #25 February 21, 2007 >To me this is a pretty clear case of why education and training >is a must for those desiring to own guns. Agreed. This guy may well have felt that he was just plain safer going outside with a gun to see what was going on, and his ignorance of possible reactions by law enforcement may have led to this shooting. A good reminder of the circumstances under which using a gun can get you injured or killed, and also a reminder that common sense isn't that common. Some people really would benefit from even a basic gun safety course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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kallend 2,150 #19 February 21, 2007 QuoteI don't know about that. I think we can fairly conclude that having a gun in the home for self-defense may well backfire on you.Quote As previosly stated it wasn't simply the fact that the homeowner had a gun that caused the incident, the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Pretty weak argument you have there Kallend. I bet he felt MACHO when he went outside in that mask with his gun! But you're right, drawing a loaded wallet is enough for the cops to shoot you, you don't NEED a gun.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #20 February 21, 2007 >the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #21 February 21, 2007 Simple solution, you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions. The majority of these accidental shooting are the fault of the "victim". This guy brought it on himself, he was in his house so he held the "high ground" if someone was coming after him, why would you leave the house and level the playing field? He was an idiot and brought this on himself by running out with a weapon looking for a fight.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #22 February 21, 2007 Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. Quote I agree with you 100% Bill, I just disagree with Kallend implying that it's the fault of gun ownership. When someone uses a firearm to protect their home in a reasonable manner you don't have situations like this.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #23 February 21, 2007 Quote>the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. actually, I think the weapon the cop was carrying made his bad decision worse for the homeowner He needed to make his stand inside and shouted to the (perceived) intruder, they'd have then had time to figure it out. It's gross, but he'll likely get a couple million dollars for his bad choices ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #24 February 21, 2007 QuoteI agree with you 100% Bill, I just disagree with Kallend implying that it's the fault of gun ownership. When someone uses a firearm to protect their home in a reasonable manner you don't have situations like this. What is reasonable to you isn't reasonable to others. To me this is a pretty clear case of why education and training is a must for those desiring to own guns. Yes, the homeowner made some bad decisions, but it was the firearm he was holding that got him shot. I think we can reasonably assume that if he had been holding any other object, he would likely not have been shot. I still think that mandatory training and education would not be such a bad thing for those who want to own a gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #25 February 21, 2007 >To me this is a pretty clear case of why education and training >is a must for those desiring to own guns. Agreed. This guy may well have felt that he was just plain safer going outside with a gun to see what was going on, and his ignorance of possible reactions by law enforcement may have led to this shooting. A good reminder of the circumstances under which using a gun can get you injured or killed, and also a reminder that common sense isn't that common. Some people really would benefit from even a basic gun safety course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
billvon 3,119 #20 February 21, 2007 >the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #21 February 21, 2007 Simple solution, you see police officers approaching your house LOUDLY identify yourself put your hands up into a non-threatening position and follow the officers directions. The majority of these accidental shooting are the fault of the "victim". This guy brought it on himself, he was in his house so he held the "high ground" if someone was coming after him, why would you leave the house and level the playing field? He was an idiot and brought this on himself by running out with a weapon looking for a fight.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #22 February 21, 2007 Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. Quote I agree with you 100% Bill, I just disagree with Kallend implying that it's the fault of gun ownership. When someone uses a firearm to protect their home in a reasonable manner you don't have situations like this.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #23 February 21, 2007 Quote>the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. actually, I think the weapon the cop was carrying made his bad decision worse for the homeowner He needed to make his stand inside and shouted to the (perceived) intruder, they'd have then had time to figure it out. It's gross, but he'll likely get a couple million dollars for his bad choices ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #24 February 21, 2007 QuoteI agree with you 100% Bill, I just disagree with Kallend implying that it's the fault of gun ownership. When someone uses a firearm to protect their home in a reasonable manner you don't have situations like this. What is reasonable to you isn't reasonable to others. To me this is a pretty clear case of why education and training is a must for those desiring to own guns. Yes, the homeowner made some bad decisions, but it was the firearm he was holding that got him shot. I think we can reasonably assume that if he had been holding any other object, he would likely not have been shot. I still think that mandatory training and education would not be such a bad thing for those who want to own a gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #25 February 21, 2007 >To me this is a pretty clear case of why education and training >is a must for those desiring to own guns. Agreed. This guy may well have felt that he was just plain safer going outside with a gun to see what was going on, and his ignorance of possible reactions by law enforcement may have led to this shooting. A good reminder of the circumstances under which using a gun can get you injured or killed, and also a reminder that common sense isn't that common. Some people really would benefit from even a basic gun safety course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
rehmwa 2 #23 February 21, 2007 Quote>the homeowner took the wrong actions and that is what caused the incident. Agreed. The weapon he was carrying merely made the outcome of his bad decisions worse. actually, I think the weapon the cop was carrying made his bad decision worse for the homeowner He needed to make his stand inside and shouted to the (perceived) intruder, they'd have then had time to figure it out. It's gross, but he'll likely get a couple million dollars for his bad choices ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #24 February 21, 2007 QuoteI agree with you 100% Bill, I just disagree with Kallend implying that it's the fault of gun ownership. When someone uses a firearm to protect their home in a reasonable manner you don't have situations like this. What is reasonable to you isn't reasonable to others. To me this is a pretty clear case of why education and training is a must for those desiring to own guns. Yes, the homeowner made some bad decisions, but it was the firearm he was holding that got him shot. I think we can reasonably assume that if he had been holding any other object, he would likely not have been shot. I still think that mandatory training and education would not be such a bad thing for those who want to own a gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #25 February 21, 2007 >To me this is a pretty clear case of why education and training >is a must for those desiring to own guns. Agreed. This guy may well have felt that he was just plain safer going outside with a gun to see what was going on, and his ignorance of possible reactions by law enforcement may have led to this shooting. A good reminder of the circumstances under which using a gun can get you injured or killed, and also a reminder that common sense isn't that common. Some people really would benefit from even a basic gun safety course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
