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kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteWe have courts to adjudicate differences of opinion. Unless you are a judge YOUR opinion doesn't count for much. Please see Lawrocket's post, since apparently you do NOT understand the way the system works.
I understand how it works maybe better than you.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteHow many tanks and F22s do you have?
Don't want the F22...It can't even fly over the international date line.
Very few people think the 2nd applies to anything other than a standard soldiers weapons. I do not agree with those who think it means we should be able to own F22's.
You wrote " An armed populace can overthrow a GOV that does not represent them."
So how will your peashooter stand up to an M1 tank or an Apache, or an A10?
Seemed to work out pretty well in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq... they can't stay in the air or buttoned up forever.
Mike
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteThe United States Code defines "militia" as follows:
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TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311
§ 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Doesn't that mean that gun ownership should be restricted to only those fitting this description? Or, is there another definition of militia related only to the 2nd amendmend?
Hey why is it that antigunners pick apart the second so it will say what they want, instead of reading it in it's entirety?
mnealtx 0
QuoteDoesn't that mean that gun ownership should be restricted to only those fitting this description? Or, is there another definition of militia related only to the 2nd amendmend?
Again, the 2nd doesn't say "the right of the militia to bear arms".
Mike
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteAgain, the 2nd doesn't say "the right of the militia to bear arms".
Ahh okay, I see what you mean.
Still seems to be a lot of ambiguity in that one sentence...
I agree with kallend, it would make the most sense to insert wording to clarify.
mnealtx 0
Striking the subordinate clause would do it...but seeing how Congress can't seem to find their own asses, I'd really rather they not muck about with the Constitution any more than they already have...
As for interpretation, all it takes is a read of the Federalist Papers and what the Framers meant becomes abundantly clear.
Here, here, and here are some analyses of the 2nd by various scholars.
As for interpretation, all it takes is a read of the Federalist Papers and what the Framers meant becomes abundantly clear.
Here, here, and here are some analyses of the 2nd by various scholars.
Mike
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kallend 2,146
QuoteHey why is it that antigunners pick apart the second so it will say what they want, instead of reading it in it's entirety?
Why doesn't the NRA post it in its entirety at the entrance to their HQ building, instead of just the last part?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
ExAFO 0
This is why I will never live in Chicago again. Too dangerous...all the gun laws don't fucking stop the murders. It's time to either arm the innocent or start executing these fucking criminals.
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.
mnealtx 0
QuoteHey why is it that antigunners pick apart the second so it will say what they want, instead of reading it in it's entirety?
Why? Because they know that their constituents have probably never read the Constitution, for one... it also lets them play to their fears and garner votes.
Speaking of Senate hypocrisy...
Mike
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kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteHey why is it that antigunners pick apart the second so it will say what they want, instead of reading it in it's entirety?
Why? Because they know that their constituents have probably never read the Constitution, for one... it also lets them play to their fears and garner votes.
Like the people visiting NRA HQ.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteHey why is it that antigunners pick apart the second so it will say what they want, instead of reading it in it's entirety?
Why? Because they know that their constituents have probably never read the Constitution, for one... it also lets them play to their fears and garner votes.
Like the people visiting NRA HQ.
That's the best you could come up with, John? Your game's slipping...
Mike
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kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHey why is it that antigunners pick apart the second so it will say what they want, instead of reading it in it's entirety?
Why? Because they know that their constituents have probably never read the Constitution, for one... it also lets them play to their fears and garner votes.
Like the people visiting NRA HQ.
That's the best you could come up with, John? Your game's slipping...
The NRA headquarters does NOT have the 2nd amendment in it's entirety posted over its entrance. Kindly explain how THAT is OK.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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The NRA headquarters does NOT have the 2nd amendment in it's entirety posted over its entrance. Kindly explain how THAT is OK.
They're not rich enough to have an entrance large enough?
What's the ACLU got over its entrance?
QuoteThe NRA headquarters does NOT have the 2nd amendment in it's entirety posted over its entrance.
Why should the NRA "have the 2nd amendment in it's entirety posted over its entrance"?
NRA should change it to: "from my cold, dead hands"
kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteThe NRA headquarters does NOT have the 2nd amendment in it's entirety posted over its entrance.
Why should the NRA "have the 2nd amendment in it's entirety posted over its entrance"?
Read the thread:
"Hey why is it that antigunners pick apart the second so it will say what they want, instead of reading it in it's entirety?"
sauce for the goose...
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe NRA headquarters does NOT have the 2nd amendment in it's entirety posted over its entrance.
Why should the NRA "have the 2nd amendment in it's entirety posted over its entrance"?
Read the thread:
"Hey why is it that antigunners pick apart the second so it will say what they want, instead of reading it in it's entirety?"
sauce for the goose...
heh - life would get interesting if we all have to follow the behavior suggested here. It would also be the death of the well written (concise) memo.
DaVinci 0
QuoteYou wrote " An armed populace can overthrow a GOV that does not represent them."
So how will your peashooter stand up to an M1 tank or an Apache, or an A10?
You keep claiming how the US Army is getting its ass kicked in Iraq....The same way.
When the argument suits an antigunner a firearm will shoot down a satellite, when they disparage our country's fighting forces they say we are getting our asses kicked because our weapons suck. etc.
kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteYou wrote " An armed populace can overthrow a GOV that does not represent them."
So how will your peashooter stand up to an M1 tank or an Apache, or an A10?
You keep claiming how the US Army is getting its ass kicked in Iraq....The same way.
The Army is not getting it's ass kicked. It is simply failing to achieve Bush's stated goal (whatever the latest one may be).
You and your buddies wouldn't stand a chance against trained US infantrymen with their current weaponry. It's not 1776 any more.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou wrote " An armed populace can overthrow a GOV that does not represent them."
So how will your peashooter stand up to an M1 tank or an Apache, or an A10?
You keep claiming how the US Army is getting its ass kicked in Iraq....The same way.
The Army is not getting it's ass kicked. It is simply failing to achieve Bush's stated goal (whatever the latest one may be).
You and your buddies wouldn't stand a chance against trained US infantrymen with their current weaponry. It's not 1776 any more.
Do you think your son will suddenly forget how to shoot once he leaves the military? A fair number of the people you're speaking of ARE ex-military...and most of the serious sorts spend a WHOLE lot more time on the range than the average 11 Boom-Boom does, any combat time excluded.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
You wrote " An armed populace can overthrow a GOV that does not represent them."
So how will your peashooter stand up to an M1 tank or an Apache, or an A10?
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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