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Brady campaign blog

Monday, February 19, 2007 - 2:09 AM

"The tragic proliferation of Sniper Rifles

I would like to take a moment to comment on the proliferation of Sniper Rifles.

Sniper Rifles are typically equipped with a high-powered scope, and every single one of them can blow through the body armor cops wear. They can even penetrate multiple police cars. Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles? The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction. Some of these Sniper Rifles can even penetrate ballistic or armored glass, lightly armored vehicles, and armored limousines. Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to solve this with an important bill that would have banned armor piercing ammunition and protected lawful firearm commerce:

"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.....

..It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.."

Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree.

Sniper Rifles can be equipped with precision optics above even what the Military uses, allowing a sniper to deliver rounds within millimeters of accuracy - enabling them to engage targets at distances of well over one hundred meters. Is there a pressing need to be able to kill with accuracy at that distance? It is too far to justify as self defense. It is too far for hunting. It is only useful for those who wish to murder from afar.

Large caliber Sniper Rifles such as the .50 Browning Machine Gun can derail freight cars, shoot down aircraft and helicopters, damage vital ground equipment such as power substations, fuel tanks, and air traffic control, and cause complete chaos. For more information on why large caliber machine-gun rounds must be banned, visit http://www.50caliberterror.com. A shipment of large caliber machine-gun round sniper rifles made by Steyr turned up in Iran, and are being used on our own soldiers, as the .50 bullets easily defeat their body armor, their up-armored humvees, and even APCs.

Many forward thinking, progressive politicians such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama have voted against Center-Fire Rifle Ammunition of types for Sniper Rifles, but due to the pressure and massive financial resources of the gun industry, the necessary steps to protect our homes and lives have not been attained.

Sniper Rifles have been used by murderers and spree killers for years, with notable incidents such as the Beltway Snipers, the Clocktower Sniper, and more.

ANY rifle configured and equipped as a sniper rifle has no sporting purpose especially as a hunting rifle. They are too big and heavy to take to the field. Designed for distance shooting, they are useless for the ranges at which game animals are normally shot, and when used on sporting sized game at range they often just wound the animal, inhumanely forcing it to die slowly while the would-be hunter tracks it to finish it off. Most Sniper Rifles fire atypically large cartridges and ultra high velocity ammunition that can travel much greater distances that standard ammunition. The danger imposed from missed shots and ricochetes from these specialty rounds is unreasonable.

Most of these rifles carry multiple rounds, with either an automatic mechanism, or a quick toggle action to rapidly move another bullet into the breech, ready to fire into another victim. In most states, they are nearly unrestricted. Anyone over the age of 18 can buy one. If they can't pass a background check, they skirt the NCIS system by going to a gunshow, or finding a private sale in the newspaper. A murderer camped at a distance from a public gathering could quickly turn it into a massacre dwarfing anything we have seen before in the United States, if they had a Sniper Rifle. If they adopted hit and run tactics, entire portions of our country could be shut down.

Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal. They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending your house.

We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them.

Every state in the USA has hunting equipment rules that limit the caliber of firearm used to take game. They also limit the types of rifles, length, magazine capacity, etc. States should amend these hunting regulations to restrict the use of "sniper" rifles, specialty "sniper" cartridges, and "sniper" ammunition. Limits on weight, barrel length, bipods and tripods, thumbhole stocks and pistol grips, night vision type scopes, scopes of excessive magnification, super magnum and high velocity ammunition, and military slings should be imposed. They have no place in the hunting fields of America and hunting usage should not be used as an argument for civilians to own such firearms and weapons. There are more than ample hunting rifles, cartridges, and rounds of ammunition to choose from without them.

[warpedskydiver 0]

They should all be voted out of office.

We as a people should not stand for this.

To fit the definition they gave scopes and centerfire cartridges are a definition of a sniper weapon.

The argument they give falls flat on it's face, and as usual the sheeple lap it up.

[Royd 0]

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The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction.

I guess the insurgents in Iraq are using BB guns!

[Gawain 0]

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The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction.

I guess the insurgents in Iraq are using BB guns!

As it happens, Iraqi laws allow the ownership of one gun and one magazine of ammo per man (over 16) or per house. It's practically a requirement to own a gun there.

I understand that in Switzerland, all men are required to own a rifle (someone correct me on this if I'm wrong).

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[warpedskydiver 0]

A current military weapon and 500 rounds of ammo last time I read it.

With penalties for non compliance

[warpedskydiver 0]

After they get rid of all guns, next on their agenda will be the bow and arrow, and those damned terrorist parachutes, ask herr Daley about that.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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As it happens, Iraqi laws allow the ownership of one gun and one magazine of ammo per man (over 16) or per house. It's practically a requirement to own a gun there.

What was the first thing the US did when they got control of Iraq? That's right, severely restrict gun ownership.

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I understand that in Switzerland, all men are required to own a rifle (someone correct me on this if I'm wrong).

Only those who have fulfilled their military obligation. It is also to be kept locked and seperate from any ammunition.

[mnealtx 0]

Here it comes...they've learned their lesson well.



Edit: Images courtesy of Oleg Volk

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Gene03 0]

Quite the rambling statement by the antis.
Lets see they can derail boxcars but only wound game causing a lingering death?

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[warpedskydiver 0]

Yep in their magical world of physics

[jarrodh 0]

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After they get rid of all guns, next on their agenda will be the bow and arrow

Where the hell does it say in the article that they want to get rid of all guns???

All the "progressive" politicians want to do is restrict the use of armor piercing bullets and high powered machine guns which arent practical in terms of hunting and home defense. Why are all of you damn Charelton Heston lovers getting your panties in a bunch over this? Just because the "libtards" want to take away unpractical and unnecessarily harmful guns/ammo does not mean that the government is going to strike the 2nd amendment from the constitution.

When was the last time you went hunting with this???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M2_machine_gun.jpg

To be honest with you I would support an all out gun ban or a severe restriction on gun rights. Since when does the hobby of Americans (hunting/shooting) have more importance than the safety of its citizens. Just look at the gun deaths in the US vs. that of any other westernized nation with gun control laws (UK, Germany, Japan). The disparity in the number of gun related deaths alone should be enough to severely restrict gun ownership. Its about time we did pry those guns from your fingers if you ask me.

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[mnealtx 0]

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After they get rid of all guns, next on their agenda will be the bow and arrow

Where the hell does it say in the article that they want to get rid of all guns???

All the "progressive" politicians want to do is restrict the use of armor piercing bullets and high powered machine guns which arent practical in terms of hunting and home defense. Why are all of you damn Charelton Heston lovers getting your panties in a bunch over this? Just because the "libtards" want to take away unpractical and unnecessarily harmful guns/ammo does not mean that the government is going to strike the 2nd amendment from the constitution.

When was the last time you went hunting with this???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M2_machine_gun.jpg

To be honest with you I would support an all out gun ban or a severe restriction on gun rights. Since when does the hobby of Americans (hunting/shooting) have more importance than the safety of its citizens. Just look at the gun deaths in the US vs. that of any other westernized nation with gun control laws (UK, Germany, Japan). The disparity in the number of gun related deaths alone should be enough to severely restrict gun ownership. Its about time we did pry those guns from your fingers if you ask me.

Better re-read the text, sparky - they're talking about a ban on centerfire ammunition. Get a little education, because you don't know of what you're ranting over.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[warpedskydiver 0]

To be honest with you I would support an all out gun ban or a severe restriction on gun rights. Since when does the hobby of Americans (hunting/shooting) have more importance than the safety of its citizens. Just look at the gun deaths in the US vs. that of any other westernized nation with gun control laws (UK, Germany, Japan). The disparity in the number of gun related deaths alone should be enough to severely restrict gun ownership. Its about time we did pry those guns from your fingers if you ask me.

[jm951 0]

Better read that lib diatribe a bit closer wonton, they even mentioned the 30.30, a round that isn't used in any machinegun. It's a hunting round designed for the old lever Winchester 94.

By their own definition, hunting rifles shouldn't have telescopic sights. That would effectively eliminate most hunting rifles of any caliber, military or not. ALSO FYI, most rounds powerful enough for normal hunting purposes will also defeat most LEO body armor (without being designed as AP) so if these retards get their way, you'll be lucky to be allowed to keep one of those evil pellet rifles.

By their definition overly powerful rifles would include-

223- aka 5.56
243, 270
308- aka 7.62NATO
3030
3006
7x57
and those are just the common ones.

As far as the 2nd goes, there is NO clause about "hunting" or "sporting" calibers and uses. To construe such is to engage in revisionist liberal doctrine to assert control over the masses.

Furthermore, if I want to own a M2, what is it to you? I'm not a criminal nor have a mental disorder. So long as I'm not shooting up the neighborhood, what's it to you?

Lastly, I HAVE BEEN victimized by violent criminals. I was a victim of a carjacking and was shot 5 times and left for dead. Where were the cops when I NEEDED them? As a result, I'm still carrying 3 slugs in my carcass, one is lodged in L5 in an inoperable location and causes neurological problems. If I want a gun to protect myself since the cops are an ex post facto force, I'm going to have one, regardless of your opinion on the matter.

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You sir are not only a patriot but an honest person as well.

I am tired of hearing victims of heinous crimes stating that they blame the gun not the attacker.

People willing to brainwash themselves or others in this matter are sick indeed, the notion that any object used by an criminal is the causation of harm to others instead of the criminal actions itself is totally without acknowledging reality.

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Where the hell does it say in the article that they want to get rid of all guns???

The article pretty much described all rifles suitable for hunting.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[jarrodh 0]

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Lastly, I HAVE BEEN victimized by violent criminals. I was a victim of a carjacking and was shot 5 times and left for dead. Where were the cops when I NEEDED them? As a result, I'm still carrying 3 slugs in my carcass, one is lodged in L5 in an inoperable location and causes neurological problems. If I want a gun to protect myself since the cops are an ex post facto force, I'm going to have one, regardless of your opinion on the matter.

I am very sorry to hear you were harmed.

However, what happens next time when your carrying a gun and you get approached one night on the street by a bum who wants some spare change. You think hes gonna rob you when he gets to close for comfort so you blow his brains all over the pavement and all he wanted was some quarters. You think you wouldnt make a mistake like that but people have done it before and people will continue to do it in the future.

Just so you know chances are YOU WOULDNT HAVE 3 BULLETS LODGED IN YOU IF GUNS WERE ILLEGAL!!!! THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT! IF GUNS WERE BANNED IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU WOULDNT HAVE BEEN SHOT BY ONE AND THEREFORE WOULDNT FEEL THE NEED TO CARRY ONE FOR PROTECTION WHICH COULD IN TURN CAUSE MORE HARM.

(I know caps lock means yelling on the internet.)

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Lastly, I HAVE BEEN victimized by violent criminals. I was a victim of a carjacking and was shot 5 times and left for dead. Where were the cops when I NEEDED them? As a result, I'm still carrying 3 slugs in my carcass, one is lodged in L5 in an inoperable location and causes neurological problems. If I want a gun to protect myself since the cops are an ex post facto force, I'm going to have one, regardless of your opinion on the matter.

I am very sorry to hear you were harmed.

However, what happens next time when your carrying a gun and you get approached one night on the street by a bum who wants some spare change. You think hes gonna rob you when he gets to close for comfort so you blow his brains all over the pavement and all he wanted was some quarters. You think you wouldnt make a mistake like that but people have done it before and people will continue to do it in the future.

Just so you know chances are YOU WOULDNT HAVE 3 BULLETS LODGED IN YOU IF GUNS WERE ILLEGAL!!!! THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT! IF GUNS WERE BANNED IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU WOULDNT HAVE BEEN SHOT BY ONE AND THEREFORE WOULDNT FEEL THE NEED TO CARRY ONE FOR PROTECTION WHICH COULD IN TURN CAUSE MORE HARM.

(I know caps lock means yelling on the internet.)

You cannot possibly prove to any of us what you say is true, if guns were illegal would that stop all criminals from having one to use on you?

[warpedskydiver 0]

BTW if cars were Illegal you would most likely never be convicted of DUI.

That doesn't mean you would not be run down by a horse and buggy.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Just out of curiosity, does your school have a course on logic?

[warpedskydiver 0]

See Andy I have not called one person any names nor demeaned anyone.

Are you suprised

I even tried to be informative.

Nobody can say I don't try.

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Quite the rambling statement by the antis.
Lets see they can derail boxcars but only wound game causing a lingering death?

That was the (only) funniest part. Rarely do these longer rants hold up together - usually it's a collection of separate lies and half truths.

I couldn't believe the 30-30 was the first caliber they named as a sniper round. They're again preying on ignorance - bullet proof vests don't stop rifle rounds very well.

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This is nuts. Either you people are not reading the article, or you don't know enough about guns to understand it.

Notwithstanding the rather odd list of calibers/rounds, that article essentially called all centerfire rifle ammo sniper ammuntion. It also called all centerfire rifles sniper weapons by mentioning a quick toggle action (bolt, lever) as a way to fire rapidly.

Why do you mention AP ammo and "high powered machine guns" as being the only thing they want to ban? Please read and understand the article.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[Zipp0 1]

Us liberal (libertarian on this issue) gun owners will never let this happen.

By this definition my 1940's era Mosin Nagant rifle that I just set up for hunting would be a WMD.

For the ignorant out there - ALL rifle ammo over .22 cal will pierce body armor. Cops could upgrade their armor to the interceptor type and be fine. I did get me some steel core ammo, just in case TSHTF.

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[warpedskydiver 0]

You see this is what I am talking about, Zippo may be a liberal in many ways but does that mean he is against our constitutional rights or wants them repealed? NO

Why would anyone advocate that?

The Brady Campaign is nothing but lies.