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Jim Zumbo: NRA, Second Ammendment Opponent

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It wasn't an article, it was just a blog. It wasn't anti-gun at all. It simply said he was surprised at what the guide told him about the growing popularity of using assult weapons for hunting. His opinion was that assult weapons should not be used for hunting, rather that hunters should use "sporting arms". The reaction is a pretty good indication of where people are coming from. I'm shocked they can get internet access in their bunkers.



I think you misread
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I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles.


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How is that not Anti Gun?

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Is there a ligimate reason to take a gun like a MP5 with burst ability on a hunt with you? I've shot lots of game and have never saw the need to carry a 35 round clip or to have a 3 round burst ability to down a deer. An AR is one thing but AK eliminates the sport of hunting and takes it to a spray and pray attitude and hunting is above that.

Most people can not seperate hunting from the over all gun issue but it is a completely seperate issue and they can be in conflict with each other. There may not be a need to take full auto guns with you in the field to hunt deer, but there is the need to still allow ownership of these guns.
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Is there a ligimate reason to take a gun like a MP5 with burst ability on a hunt with you?

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Hunting with anything that fires more than one bullet with a single pull of the trigger is a serious felony.

If you would like I will post the regulations of every state in the union.

I do not see any need for anything other than semi- auto in the field.

Full Auto ownership is heavily regulated, expensive, and a drag because in order to carry it accross state lines you must provide a form 4 and pay $200 to the BATFE and get permission to do so.

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I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles.


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How is that not Anti Gun?


It is anti hunters using and being associated with assult weapons, not anti gun.
The fevered pitch that has gone into discrediting this guy's reputation is disturbing. His opinion seems reasonable, if not rational. Its ironic that his statements are intended to preserve and protect the image of hunters in the general public and the gun crazies are attacking him with unbelievable passion. The result to the general public: exactly the opposite of what I believe his intentions were.

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If they are terrorist weapons, then the people who own them become the terrorists is that it?


The guy is simply saying that it is his opinion that there is no place for such weapons in the hunting community, not that such weapons should be banned or make the owners terrorists. I happen to agree with him, reasonable person that I am.

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You have the right to agree but make sure you understand his point. He thinks weapons that "look" ugly should be banned from the woods. This is about looks plain and simple. He goes on to say

"If you insist on using an auto, there are plenty of sporting models that have more than enough firepower for game."

So he is fine with you using a Remington 740 Semi because afterall they have wood stocks and do not look scary. Nevermind it is a much more powerfull weapon than an AR-15. The Reminton 740/742 is one of the common semi auto's used to hunt. While it looks traditional, it takes a detachable mag and there are companies out there that make high cap mags for it(they usually come with a 4 round mag).

So do you agree because you don't think there should be any "ugly" rifles in the woods. How do you feel about composite stocks? Say a Savage FP10 with a bipod on it? These are extremely accurate bolt action "sniper rifles" that look scary. Is it just wood stocks you want to see, or does it have to be a certain grade of wood? Only high grade walnut?

It is a good thing ugly canopies are not banned because I own several!
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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It wasn't an article, it was just a blog. It wasn't anti-gun at all. It simply said he was surprised at what the guide told him about the growing popularity of using assult weapons for hunting. His opinion was that assult weapons should not be used for hunting, rather that hunters should use "sporting arms". The reaction is a pretty good indication of where people are coming from. I'm shocked they can get internet access in their bunkers.



I think you misread
here is a verbatim quote from that article:
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I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles.


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How is that not Anti Gun?



I don't see it as anti gun. I see at as defining what is and is not appropriate for so-called "sportsmen" to use in their sport.

If you want hunt rabbits with an RPG and fish with dynamite, fine with me, but don't call it "sport" or claim you are a "sportsman".
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It wasn't an article, it was just a blog. It wasn't anti-gun at all. It simply said he was surprised at what the guide told him about the growing popularity of using assult weapons for hunting. His opinion was that assult weapons should not be used for hunting, rather that hunters should use "sporting arms". The reaction is a pretty good indication of where people are coming from. I'm shocked they can get internet access in their bunkers.



I think you misread
here is a verbatim quote from that article:
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I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles.


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How is that not Anti Gun?



I don't see it as anti gun. I see at as defining what is and is not appropriate for so-called "sportsmen" to use in their sport.

If you want hunt rabbits with an RPG and fish with dynamite, fine with me, but don't call it "sport" or claim you are a "sportsman".



And who defines what is "appropriate"? Before you answer please read the post just prior to yours.
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>If they are terrorist weapons, then the people who own them become
>the terrorists is that it?

Welcome to the War on Terror. Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists (and their guns.)



Wow, did you take this one and leap:S
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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If you want hunt rabbits with an RPG and fish with dynamite, fine with me, but don't call it "sport" or claim you are a "sportsman".




Oh quit it already. He does not care if you use a "traditional" semi- autoloader. Just not the ugly ones. Who defines traditional? Using an "evil looking" semi vs. a pretty "traditional" semi-auto is not like fishing with dynamite. It's like fishing with an "evil"looking fishing pole (assault fishing pole?)

Why is there any less sport because some think your gun is evil looking?
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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the gun threads are funny: you have the gun-wielding, "guns can solve the crime problem" right, and the "guns are the source of all evil" left."... And somewhere in the middle lies the truth.



OK. Please tell us all what the truth is.

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the gun threads are funny: you have the gun-wielding, "guns can solve the crime problem" right, and the "guns are the source of all evil" left."



Except this thread is different.

One guy ojn the gun wielding right said that he didn't like a particular type of gun and everyone else on the gun wielding right is baying for his blood because he doesn't like every single type of gun there is.

I've never seen a witch-hunt like it.
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the gun threads are funny: you have the gun-wielding, "guns can solve the crime problem" right, and the "guns are the source of all evil" left."



Except this thread is different.

One guy ojn the gun wielding right said that he didn't like a particular type of gun and everyone else on the gun wielding right is baying for his blood because he doesn't like every single type of gun there is.

I've never seen a witch-hunt like it.



Bad paraphrase at best. I think you had better re-read what he wrote.

I can think of many other situations I would call a hunt. And yes, you have seen it, it was just ok for you then......
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Anyone care to comment on the suitability of the two rifles pictured for "sporting" use, i.e. hunting? Please also comment on the functional differences between the two. Neither requires any special federal permit, and both fire the same ammo.

A is a Remington 750 in .308 cal.

B is an Olympic Arms in .308 cal.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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