jakee 1,595 #51 February 20, 2007 QuoteMissed the point. Try again No. You drew a crap analogy and I called you on it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #52 February 20, 2007 QuoteOne more thought... I hate doing math, but think about this… Rush...there’s anywhere from 500 to 1,000 road vehicle convoys per day in the country of Iraq. [RUSH: Five hundred to 1,000 road vehicle convoys per day in the country of Iraq.] One or three of these vehicle convoys (at most) get hit by an IED each day, which destroys maybe one or two vehicles. Most convoys have anywhere from 20 to 100 vehicles. NOW, what are your odds (e.g. CNN reporter) of being tagged by an IED???? Oh I get it. CNN reporters are setting IED's! So that's why we see so many accidents and explosions on the news.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #53 February 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteMissed the point. Try again No. You drew a crap analogy and I called you on it. Nope, you missed the point again. Try again?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #54 February 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteOne more thought... I hate doing math, but think about this… Rush...there’s anywhere from 500 to 1,000 road vehicle convoys per day in the country of Iraq. [RUSH: Five hundred to 1,000 road vehicle convoys per day in the country of Iraq.] One or three of these vehicle convoys (at most) get hit by an IED each day, which destroys maybe one or two vehicles. Most convoys have anywhere from 20 to 100 vehicles. NOW, what are your odds (e.g. CNN reporter) of being tagged by an IED???? Oh I get it. CNN reporters are setting IED's! So that's why we see so many accidents and explosions on the news. what the fuck are you smoking???"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #55 February 20, 2007 QuoteAs for Vietnam, the mistake was letting the war be run by politions. The same thing that is happening today. More lives would be saved (in the long run ) if a mission is given the military and the politions wait for them to come back and tell them it is done. You and yours want to micro manage and that costs lives... Thank God we have a leader who does not stick his finger to the wind just to make sure everybody likes him/her So the war in Iraq is being micro managed and that is costing lives. We have a leader who doesn't sway to public opinion and whos party held a solid majority in both houses for the first 3.5 years of the war. And it's the Dem's fault that the war is being mismanaged? Dude, you are going to have to break that one down real slow for me 'cos I don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #56 February 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteMissed the point. Try again No. You drew a crap analogy and I called you on it. Nope, you missed the point again. Try again? No, you drew a crap comparison. Please tell me just how the battle of the bulge is similar to the current quagmire in Iraq?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #57 February 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteAs for Vietnam, the mistake was letting the war be run by politions. The same thing that is happening today. More lives would be saved (in the long run ) if a mission is given the military and the politions wait for them to come back and tell them it is done. You and yours want to micro manage and that costs lives... Thank God we have a leader who does not stick his finger to the wind just to make sure everybody likes him/her So the war in Iraq is being micro managed and that is costing lives. We have a leader who doesn't sway to public opinion and whos party held a solid majority in both houses for the first 3.5 years of the war.leaders don't. polotions do And it's the Dem's fault that the war is being mismanaged?I never said that but I believe thier actions are costing US lives Dude, you are going to have to break that one down real slow for me 'cos I don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Iknow, and that is what the problem is. I can't convince you or anybody. You have to find/research that for yourself but it takes some effort"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #58 February 20, 2007 Look, do some looking into the after action reports and analysis. Find out why it took so long. It goes to the comparison of charges of mismanagement of a war vs mistakes. You might find it interesting"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #59 February 20, 2007 >you and yours . . . . "Me and mine?" Like, Amy, my sisters, my nieces and nephews? I had no idea our family had so much power! >can set us up for what would have happened sooner had Bush not have >stood up. "What would have happened sooner?" Like what? Peace? Yeah, thank god Bush saved us from that. Military contractors might have lost their jobs! Our military would have been reduced to defending the US from threats! Horrors. >Ya, it is sad but what you support and say has killed more than what may >be been IMO. Hope you can live with that. I can live with working for peace. Learned that from my religion when I was a kid, and have carried it throughout my life. Trying to paint people who want peace as killers is pretty silly BTW. What's next? Will you blame the troops who oppose the war for the failures in Iraq? Perhaps you could blame doctors for sickness. Per your second post, no one buys the "things are really great in Iraq, the mainstream media just ignores them!" line any more. War supporters have been trying that for nearly four years, but it isn't bringing any of those 3146 dead US troops back to life. Reality has a way of intruding on even the most crafty spin. I did like one part of his letter though - "I hate doing math." It makes silly statements like "The terrorists are coming from outside the country and killing civilians" more understandable though. If you "don't do" math, I could see someone believing that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #60 February 20, 2007 The assumptions, twisting and innuendo made in your last post are ridculous So much for debate"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #61 February 20, 2007 QuotePoint taken. It seems that most Dems would rather criticize than offer appropriate strategy on how to defeat terrorism. Appropriate strategies to fight terrorism were offered, but the PNAC and their puppet President felt it was necessary to ignore that good advice and create misinformation to get us into war. And somehow, the anti-Iraq war people are to blame because Bush didn't listen and are having a hard time figuring out how to clean up the mess he got us into. I'm having a hard time figuring out how it's our fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #62 February 20, 2007 QuoteThe assumptions, twisting and innuendo made in your last post are ridculous So much for debate Irony score 10/10... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #63 February 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe assumptions, twisting and innuendo made in your last post are ridculous So much for debate Irony score 10/10 your just as skilled at twisting and changing the context. Your one liners are priceless (or it that worthless??) anyway......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #64 February 20, 2007 >The assumptions, twisting and innuendo made in your last post are ridculous . . . Here's a simple reality that may be easier to understand. You talked about how the leftist media doesn't report on the good things in Iraq. Why do they report on negative things in Iraq? Here's an example: "A tall man wearing a black traditional Arab robe and a red-and-white checkered headdress stopped outside the store and agreed to talk to us. I asked him about the situation in Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad. As he started to answer, we heard a burst of machine gun fire. A bullet from a sniper struck a pile of bricks in front of us. We all ran back into the store." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #65 February 20, 2007 Quote>The assumptions, twisting and innuendo made in your last post are ridculous . . . Here's a simple reality that may be easier to understand. You talked about how the leftist media doesn't report on the good things in Iraq. Why do they report on negative things in Iraq? Here's an example: "A tall man wearing a black traditional Arab robe and a red-and-white checkered headdress stopped outside the store and agreed to talk to us. I asked him about the situation in Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad. As he started to answer, we heard a burst of machine gun fire. A bullet from a sniper struck a pile of bricks in front of us. We all ran back into the store." C'mon Bill. Don't be so negative. I mean it's not like they died. Why wasn't the article about the store being open and how receptive the locals are to foreigners? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #66 February 20, 2007 >Why wasn't the article about the store being open and how >receptive the locals are to foreigners? True. And all that free lead! Why didn't they mention THAT? Stupid liberal reporters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #67 February 20, 2007 Terror Officials See Al Qaeda Chiefs Regaining Power WASHINGTON, Feb. 18 — Senior leaders of Al Qaeda operating from Pakistan have re-established significant control over their once-battered worldwide terror network and over the past year have set up a band of training camps in the tribal regions near the Afghan border, according to American intelligence and counterterrorism officials. American officials said there was mounting evidence that Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, had been steadily building an operations hub in the mountainous Pakistani tribal area of North Waziristan. Until recently, the Bush administration had described Mr. bin Laden and Mr. Zawahri as detached from their followers and cut off from operational control of Al Qaeda. The United States has also identified several new Qaeda compounds in North Waziristan, including one that officials said might be training operatives for strikes against targets beyond Afghanistan. . . . American officials say that the new intelligence is focused on Al Qaeda and points to the prospect that the terrorist network is gaining in strength despite more than five years of a sustained American-led campaign to weaken it. “The chain of command has been re-established,” said one American government official, who said that the Qaeda “leadership command and control is robust.” American officials and analysts said a variety of factors in Pakistan had come together to allow “core Al Qaeda” — a reference to Mr. bin Laden and his immediate circle — to regain some of its strength. The emergence of a relative haven in North Waziristan and the surrounding area has helped senior operatives communicate more effectively with the outside world via courier and the Internet. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/world/asia/19intel.html?_r=1&oref=slogin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
