SpeedRacer 1 #26 February 16, 2007 QuoteIt is not possible for one of my fellow atheists to be elected fro any level of public office in this country (USA), now or at any time in the concieveable future. We are a much hated and vilified minority. Unless and until it is socially acceptable to critically review religous beliefs, that situation will not change. right. then why is that on this forum it seems that more often it is the atheists giving shit to the Christians, rather than the other way around? Theophobia is a real force in the world too. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #27 February 16, 2007 I wouldn't vote for any leader whoose policies were likely to be influenced by anything mythical. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #28 February 16, 2007 QuoteWhat about someone who was fanatical about their politics? Politics is subjective. Not them either. Fanatical means completely closed minded about it to the point of anger with opposing viewpoints. and other extreme definitions. I wouldn't vote for them with a 12 foot chad. (and for you to imply there is only degree atheistic enthusiasm is pretty nuts) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 February 16, 2007 QuoteUnless and until it is socially acceptable to critically review religous beliefs, that situation will not change. the inability to critically review religious beliefs would apply to atheists and religious types so only agnostics should be in politic? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #30 February 16, 2007 QuoteI wouldnt vote for an athiest for president because I dont believe you should seperate God from Gov.Obviously as a beliver ( christian) I think separating the two is a mistake for many reasons. I Dont believe in religon because of any fear or greed just a real strong love for God... pretty simple huh? Saudi Arabia has a government closely tied to religion. Would you be okay living there?? It's only ok if the religion happens to be the same as yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikempb 0 #31 February 16, 2007 You make a good point, however, thats why i made sure I said " I " wouldnt vote for an atheist. Everyone who votes bases there vote on what they feel is important to them and their families. Its going to be hard enough trying to raise my daughter and baby # 2 ( not sure what were having yet its only been 2 months ) :) with a backgroung in religion, esp if our leader of our country doesnt even believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #32 February 16, 2007 How would an atheist president have that much effect on your personal life? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikempb 0 #33 February 16, 2007 I dont know it hasnt happened yet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,596 #34 February 16, 2007 QuoteI dont believe you should seperate God from Gov.Obviously as a beliver ( christian) I think separating the two is a mistake for many reasons. Name one. I double dare you.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #35 February 16, 2007 QuoteIt's often said that an atheist would never get in as president of the USA. I was wondering if this was true. Presently, I'd say it's true. I think any politician that has not been affiliated with any church in their adult life wouldn't be able to win the Presidency. Even if it was a non-issue for the candidate, the opposition would force it into the limelight. And that would be a huge negative to overcome. That said, I think a bunch of politicians attend church for solely for appearance purposes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikempb 0 #36 February 16, 2007 Well.. I said as a christian, so we believe keeping God as part of your life every day from little things like when I say thanks for this food ( even though my wife cooked it , good thing she doesnt read this!) to big things like pledge of alleigence keeping "under god" in it. I know that doesnt seem like a big thing but again it goes back to teaching my kids and hoping it's reinforced outside of my home. If someone doesnt believe I dont care and I dont judge, hey who am I, but its in "MY" best interest to have a pres. on the same track as me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #37 February 16, 2007 Personally, I have no problem with you feeling O.K with State and Religion But (there's always a butt [sic] in SC). But... Your current Prez is turely not a good example and I (hope) that just because he claims to be a Christian does not put him on exactly the same track as you..... please say it ain't so. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #38 February 16, 2007 >Obviously as a beliver ( christian) I think separating the two is a mistake for many reasons. I'm christian and I think that separating the two is not only a good thing, it is essential. There have been too many abuses by religion (including christianity) in the past to allow it (or any religion) to become part of a government of a diverse group of people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,596 #39 February 16, 2007 QuoteWell.. I said as a christian, so we believe keeping God as part of your life every day from little things like when I say thanks for this food C'mon dude, the president can't tell you what to say over dinner! Quote to big things like pledge of alleigence keeping "under god" in it. I know that doesnt seem like a big thing You're right, that doesn't seem like a big thing. How exactly does it impact the (presumably) lesser things like the economy, the war, homeland security etc? BTW, since it is that important to you, I'm sure you'll appreciate being able to spell it correctly in future - "Pledge of Allegiance"Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikempb 0 #40 February 16, 2007 obviously you dont know me.. asking me to spell correctly is like asking a fish to fillet itself! Im the guy behind the computer using his 2 index fingers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #41 February 16, 2007 *Link Relevant to the discussion here*Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #42 February 16, 2007 Recent Gallup poll: ---------------------------------------- If your party nominated a well-qualified Candidate For WH '08 who was _, would you vote for that person? Yes No Catholic 95 4 Black 94 5 Jewish 92 7 A woman 88 11 Hispanic 87 12 Mormon 72 24 Married for third time 67 30 72 years old 57 42 A homosexual 55 43 An atheist 45 53 Comfortable Reservations Would not vote for Black 84 9 5 A woman 78 10 11 Mormon 58 14 24 72 years old 43 15 42 Married for third time 54 13 30 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,488 #43 February 17, 2007 Do you consider a Deist to be an Aetheist? Most Christians would... With that criteria, most of our forefathers wouldn't have been elected President.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,596 #44 February 17, 2007 QuoteDo you consider a Deist to be an Atheist? Most Christians would... With that criteria, most of our forefathers wouldn't have been elected President. Do Christians also consider black to be white?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #45 February 17, 2007 Quote Recent Gallup poll: ---------------------------------------- If your party nominated a well-qualified Candidate For WH '08 who was _, would you vote for that person? Yes No Catholic 95 4 Black 94 5 Jewish 92 7 A woman 88 11 Hispanic 87 12 Mormon 72 24 Married for third time 67 30 72 years old 57 42 A homosexual 55 43 An atheist 45 53 Comfortable Reservations Would not vote for Black 84 9 5 A woman 78 10 11 Mormon 58 14 24 72 years old 43 15 42 Married for third time 54 13 30 Good to see that an aging homosexual atheist married for the 3rd time has very little chance of getting a majority of the popular vote." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #46 February 18, 2007 But if all of a sudden you were in another country that had a different religion eg. Iran then you would be forced to take part in something you don't believe in, so do you think that is fair? if not then why is it fair that you beliefs be forced onto others? can you not believe what you want to and allow others to do so? I am not for the US but this question is relevant in any country. I believe an Atheist would make a better leader because they would have less time to worry about what some silly faith believes and have a more neutral point of veiw on things. eg. Christians believe this earth is here for humans alone then where does that stand in the conservation department? is that how the US avoided the Kyoto agreement? I thought this was thrashed with the old boomstick, religion = problem"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pds 0 #47 February 19, 2007 QuoteIt's often said that an atheist would never get in as president of the USA. I was wondering if this was true. to answer your question: it would be a deciding factor for me. Hell yes. (pun intended) athiests are more prevalent than you think and are more in the closet than carpet munchers and pole smokers it IS political suicide to pronounce unbelief in gawd. if you get bored count the number of deists and athiests amongst the founding fathers compare to xians. (not picking on xians, those are the choices).namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #48 February 20, 2007 QuoteIt's often said by Republicans that an atheist would never get in as president of the USA. Changed it in the way it looks for me.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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jakee 1,596 #34 February 16, 2007 QuoteI dont believe you should seperate God from Gov.Obviously as a beliver ( christian) I think separating the two is a mistake for many reasons. Name one. I double dare you.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #35 February 16, 2007 QuoteIt's often said that an atheist would never get in as president of the USA. I was wondering if this was true. Presently, I'd say it's true. I think any politician that has not been affiliated with any church in their adult life wouldn't be able to win the Presidency. Even if it was a non-issue for the candidate, the opposition would force it into the limelight. And that would be a huge negative to overcome. That said, I think a bunch of politicians attend church for solely for appearance purposes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikempb 0 #36 February 16, 2007 Well.. I said as a christian, so we believe keeping God as part of your life every day from little things like when I say thanks for this food ( even though my wife cooked it , good thing she doesnt read this!) to big things like pledge of alleigence keeping "under god" in it. I know that doesnt seem like a big thing but again it goes back to teaching my kids and hoping it's reinforced outside of my home. If someone doesnt believe I dont care and I dont judge, hey who am I, but its in "MY" best interest to have a pres. on the same track as me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #37 February 16, 2007 Personally, I have no problem with you feeling O.K with State and Religion But (there's always a butt [sic] in SC). But... Your current Prez is turely not a good example and I (hope) that just because he claims to be a Christian does not put him on exactly the same track as you..... please say it ain't so. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #38 February 16, 2007 >Obviously as a beliver ( christian) I think separating the two is a mistake for many reasons. I'm christian and I think that separating the two is not only a good thing, it is essential. There have been too many abuses by religion (including christianity) in the past to allow it (or any religion) to become part of a government of a diverse group of people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #39 February 16, 2007 QuoteWell.. I said as a christian, so we believe keeping God as part of your life every day from little things like when I say thanks for this food C'mon dude, the president can't tell you what to say over dinner! Quote to big things like pledge of alleigence keeping "under god" in it. I know that doesnt seem like a big thing You're right, that doesn't seem like a big thing. How exactly does it impact the (presumably) lesser things like the economy, the war, homeland security etc? BTW, since it is that important to you, I'm sure you'll appreciate being able to spell it correctly in future - "Pledge of Allegiance"Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikempb 0 #40 February 16, 2007 obviously you dont know me.. asking me to spell correctly is like asking a fish to fillet itself! Im the guy behind the computer using his 2 index fingers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #41 February 16, 2007 *Link Relevant to the discussion here*Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #42 February 16, 2007 Recent Gallup poll: ---------------------------------------- If your party nominated a well-qualified Candidate For WH '08 who was _, would you vote for that person? Yes No Catholic 95 4 Black 94 5 Jewish 92 7 A woman 88 11 Hispanic 87 12 Mormon 72 24 Married for third time 67 30 72 years old 57 42 A homosexual 55 43 An atheist 45 53 Comfortable Reservations Would not vote for Black 84 9 5 A woman 78 10 11 Mormon 58 14 24 72 years old 43 15 42 Married for third time 54 13 30 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #43 February 17, 2007 Do you consider a Deist to be an Aetheist? Most Christians would... With that criteria, most of our forefathers wouldn't have been elected President.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #44 February 17, 2007 QuoteDo you consider a Deist to be an Atheist? Most Christians would... With that criteria, most of our forefathers wouldn't have been elected President. Do Christians also consider black to be white?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #45 February 17, 2007 Quote Recent Gallup poll: ---------------------------------------- If your party nominated a well-qualified Candidate For WH '08 who was _, would you vote for that person? Yes No Catholic 95 4 Black 94 5 Jewish 92 7 A woman 88 11 Hispanic 87 12 Mormon 72 24 Married for third time 67 30 72 years old 57 42 A homosexual 55 43 An atheist 45 53 Comfortable Reservations Would not vote for Black 84 9 5 A woman 78 10 11 Mormon 58 14 24 72 years old 43 15 42 Married for third time 54 13 30 Good to see that an aging homosexual atheist married for the 3rd time has very little chance of getting a majority of the popular vote." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #46 February 18, 2007 But if all of a sudden you were in another country that had a different religion eg. Iran then you would be forced to take part in something you don't believe in, so do you think that is fair? if not then why is it fair that you beliefs be forced onto others? can you not believe what you want to and allow others to do so? I am not for the US but this question is relevant in any country. I believe an Atheist would make a better leader because they would have less time to worry about what some silly faith believes and have a more neutral point of veiw on things. eg. Christians believe this earth is here for humans alone then where does that stand in the conservation department? is that how the US avoided the Kyoto agreement? I thought this was thrashed with the old boomstick, religion = problem"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #47 February 19, 2007 QuoteIt's often said that an atheist would never get in as president of the USA. I was wondering if this was true. to answer your question: it would be a deciding factor for me. Hell yes. (pun intended) athiests are more prevalent than you think and are more in the closet than carpet munchers and pole smokers it IS political suicide to pronounce unbelief in gawd. if you get bored count the number of deists and athiests amongst the founding fathers compare to xians. (not picking on xians, those are the choices).namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #48 February 20, 2007 QuoteIt's often said by Republicans that an atheist would never get in as president of the USA. Changed it in the way it looks for me.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
