akarunway 1 #1 February 13, 2007 http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=888784I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #2 February 13, 2007 Who's concealed carry?.. The guy in the trenchcoat or the cop who shot him? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #3 February 13, 2007 One of the guys who confronted the mall shooter with an armed response was an off-duty cop, who just happened to be there. Not much different from your average citizen who carries concealed. Returning gunfire forced the killer to retreat, and prevented him from continuing his killing. That's what CCW can do for a situation like this. People like to wail about the additional gunfire that it might create, but it's gunfire that ends the massacre - and that's certainly better than allowing the massacre to continue unchecked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #4 February 13, 2007 QuoteOne of the guys who confronted the mall shooter with an armed response was an off-duty cop, who just happened to be there. Not much different from your average citizen who carries concealed.... The lack of one concealed carry would have negated the need for the other. I just don't see this as an argument for concealed-carry John. See my posts in the other thread about this. Regards, Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #5 February 13, 2007 QuoteThe lack of one concealed carry would have negated the need for the other. Are you claiming the BG was a CCW holder? If not what are you saying? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #6 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe lack of one concealed carry would have negated the need for the other. Are you claiming the BG was a CCW holder? If not what are you saying? It's not a case of Concealed-Carry-Licence. It's a case of "Concealed-Carry-PRACTISE" Again, See my posts in the related thread. My only argument here is that this incident is not a case for CONCEALED carry. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #7 February 13, 2007 QuoteThe lack of one concealed carry would have negated the need for the other. I doubt that a law making it illegal for him to conceal his guns would have stopped him. QuoteI just don't see this as an argument for concealed-carry John. I realise this is a hot button issue but I have always felt that the fundamental right to be able to defend ones-self is a must. I cannot woo anyone with stats to back my position ( I realise there are stats to back both sides of the argument), but I still would rather have the right to be able to protect myself. Regardless of whether other people feel it is an effective means, it should still be my choice. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #8 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe lack of one concealed carry would have negated the need for the other. I doubt that a law making it illegal for him to conceal his guns would have stopped him. QuoteI just don't see this as an argument for concealed-carry John. ... fundamental right to be able to defend ones-self is a must. ....the right to be able to protect myself. Regardless of whether other people feel it is an effective means, it should still be my choice. So... Where does this touch on CONCEALED carry rather than the Right to Bear Arms? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #9 February 13, 2007 Quote... fundamental right to be able to defend ones-self is a must. ....the right to be able to protect myself. Regardless of whether other people feel it is an effective means, it should still be my choice. So... Where does this touch on CONCEALED carry rather than the Right to Bear Arms? Mike. Well, if I cannot carry it on me I do not have the means to protect myself when I leave my house. As for the concealed aspect, I personally would not feel comfortable openly displaying a firearm for a couple of reasons. One if someone is still willing to harm me regardless of the gun he is at least forewarned about where I have it (hip, shoulder) and stands a better chance of preventing me from pulling it. Also I would fear that there may be some crazies out there who might see that as my trying to look like a tough guy and it could provoke an incedent. If it is hidden, I do not make myself a target, nor can anyone who wishes to harm me prepare themselves for it. I simply have it there as an unpleasant surprise for Mr. thug if foresight and/or the ability to run fast cannot get me out of harms way. My comment was not directly a right to bear arms argument so much as a right to self defence argument which includes gun ownership and the right to have it accessable if neccessary. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
