masterblaster72 0 #1 February 12, 2007 A friend and I recently debated this administration's handling of the Iraq war. The debate went on for about 20 minutes and ended with him raising his voice, telling me I'm not patrotic (even though I do not support the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq). Needless to say, it was a truly constructive debate. I'd like to be more patriotic, and I'm looking for some suggestions. Please help, thanks. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #2 February 12, 2007 Quote I'd like to be more patriotic, and I'm looking for some suggestions. Please help, thanks. enlist steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #3 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuote I'd like to be more patriotic, and I'm looking for some suggestions. Please help, thanks. enlist ROTC USAFA USNA USMA USCGA (heheheh)Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #4 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuote I'd like to be more patriotic, and I'm looking for some suggestions. Please help, thanks. enlist Vote for a dem who will get us out of there and quit killing our heros. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I'd like to be more patriotic, and I'm looking for some suggestions. Please help, thanks. enlist Vote for a dem who will get us out of there and quit killing our heros. What will you do if a Rep or an independent runs on a "get out of Iraq" platform and is against someone like Hillary or Lieberman or Kerry who voted for the war? I mean, it's all about the party, right? Not the platform? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #6 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I'd like to be more patriotic, and I'm looking for some suggestions. Please help, thanks. enlist Vote for a dem who will get us out of there and quit killing our heros. What will you do if a Rep or an independent runs on a "get out of Iraq" platform and is against someone like Hillary or Lieberman or Kerry who voted for the war? I mean, it's all about the party, right? Not the platform? It's all about bringing home our heroes.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #7 February 12, 2007 Quote ROTC USAFA USNA USMA USCGA (heheheh) Huh? What's a USMA? Edit: D'Oh. Never mind. I forget that the Army has higher education too.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 February 12, 2007 QuoteIt's all about bringing home our heroes. that's a good response, but you aren't rabidly partisan. just a little rabid ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #9 February 12, 2007 Caution: foreigner response- 1. If you are not registered for one of the two major parties-get registered. 2. Chose a moderate, centrist candidate from which ever party you chose and volunteer your time to ensure that person gets the nomination. 3. Vote. America needs to reestablish its political center more than anything else. Another christian right president will further divide the country; the same is true for a strident liberal. Most Americans I have ever met are moderate in their views. Work to force the political class to represent those views. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 February 12, 2007 Quote the Army has higher education too. Hm. Look here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #11 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I'd like to be more patriotic, and I'm looking for some suggestions. Please help, thanks. enlist ROTC USAFA USNA USMA USCGA (heheheh) Thanks for the suggestion! But it seems that none of the über-patriotic types that I only dream of emulating (George W. Bush, DICK Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly) have served, so there must be something inherently un-patriotic about actually serving and walking the talk. And if I do serve, my fellow mega-patriots might end up suggesting that I'm mentally unstable (McCain 2000?). So I don't think that's the right way to go, but thanks anyway! Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #12 February 12, 2007 Quote Thanks for the suggestion! ... So I don't think that's the right way to go, but thanks anyway! No prob, just trying to help. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #13 February 12, 2007 QuoteBut it seems that none of the über-patriotic types that I only dream of emulating (George W. Bush, DICK Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly) have served, WAIT just a minute! George W. Bush served! Kinda. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #14 February 12, 2007 Buy American made goods. Invest in companies that don't outsource jobs to Asia. Pay your taxes without whining about them. Mentor a young person. Volunteer your time for a good cause.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #15 February 12, 2007 <Pay your taxes without whining about them. Mentor a young person. Volunteer your time for a good cause>> Yeap Good ones. <> - Nope wrong, not all of us are Americans. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #16 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I'd like to be more patriotic, and I'm looking for some suggestions. Please help, thanks. enlist Vote for a dem who will get us out of there and quit killing our heros. What will you do if a Rep or an independent runs on a "get out of Iraq" platform and is against someone like Hillary or Lieberman or Kerry who voted for the war? I mean, it's all about the party, right? Not the platform? Nice try, most Dem senators that voted for the war, if not all, regret it and agree that they were duped. Hell, RNC chairman Ken Mehlman even said that "Congress had basically the same intel that the president had." Basically? What does that mean? And that was after saying they had the exact same intel that the pres had, so he's a liar, chimp is a liar. Hillary and kerry are currently against the war, Lieberman is for it last I heard. Obama, my favorite candidate, has laways been against the war, of course he wasn;t a senator at election time and could not vote. If Obama, Hillary, Kerry or Edwards were to be elected pres, Kerry's not running BTW, they would allmov to get out of Iraq, so it's not the party with that issue, it's the issue. But thanks for asking, I would likely vote party anyway, at least until we deNazify the country a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #17 February 12, 2007 Quote<Pay your taxes without whining about them. Mentor a young person. Volunteer your time for a good cause>> Yeap Good ones. <> - Nope wrong, not all of us are Americans. But the guy whose question I answered is an American. He didn't ask what can YOU do to be more patriotic.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #18 February 12, 2007 Enlist and volunteer for the most dangerous operations."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #19 February 12, 2007 Recognise your nations failings and the resulting effects internationally. Understand them. Educate your people. Seriously. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #20 February 12, 2007 QuoteEnlist and volunteer for the most dangerous operations. Patriotism does not have to include going out and killing people - contrary to what many appear to believe. Patriotism is about making your own country a better place, not about messing up other people's countries.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #21 February 12, 2007 QuoteRecognise your nations failings and the resulting effects internationally. Understand them. Educate your people.Add to that: Recognize your nation's strengths and build on them (without trumpeting it or treating it as an all-purpose answer). Recognize which strengths really only apply within the borders, and which ones go beyond. It's not all about the failings. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #22 February 12, 2007 In the question posed, there was no mention of which country one was s'posed to be be more patriotic towards. It appeared to be an open question on a site with international patronage. My mistake for not delving into the OP's heritage. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #23 February 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteRecognise your nations failings and the resulting effects internationally. Understand them. Educate your people.Add to that: Recognize your nation's strengths and build on them (without trumpeting it or treating it as an all-purpose answer). Recognize which strengths really only apply within the borders, and which ones go beyond. It's not all about the failings. Wendy W. Solving it's existing problems will make a nation stronger than simply building on the existing strengths. Without a solid foundation, the building, as it grows and more floors are built, eventually collapses. Besides, who in America needs education on national strength? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #24 February 12, 2007 If you focus entirely on someone else's failings, it's likely that they're not going to hear everything you say. Because, well, they're not composed entirely of failings. Really. A message that isn't heard is pointless. It only makes the giver of the message feel better, and able to say "I told you so" later. Doesn't mean you can't say "this is really fucked." But if you say "everything I can think of about you is fucked" you don't give them a lot to move TO, only away from. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #25 February 12, 2007 Ok, you're right. But how about a quick bash over their head with a cosh instead? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
