NCclimber 0 #76 February 13, 2007 QuoteIf you're fortunate, NCclimber won't ask for definitive proof of your assertion from a mainstream credible source, and then quibble endlessly over the meaning of "more", "people", "minimum", "wages", "began" and "1938" Is this how it's going to be? You're going to play the victim on a regular basis, to deter me from calling you on your bullshit claims? Tissue? You know, the funny thing is,... if you'd just present some proof of your assertions, when pressed,... this little back and forth between us would be a non-issue. But I guess that's going on the presumption that those assertions aren't LIES. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #77 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteConsider this, since conservatives have been saying this will happen (and it has every time) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0210biz-teenwork0210.html Please provide PROOF that it has happened EVERY time. Are you serious Professor?!?!?! Some day people will wake up and realize that it was never the government's job to provide employment to this country. Every time the Feds have ventured into the waters of entrepreneurship to be intrusive, they usually end up cutting the fuel off to the revenue engine. When was the the last time a poor man provided a job??? I guess I shouldn't expect anyone to understand who is completely dependent on government. Leave the self employed alone!!! Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #78 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Ah yes, class envy. A liberal mainstay. Got to worry about the other guy..... Class envy? No. "How widely the benefits of growth and productivity are shared is a basic measure of economic performance in a democracy - and further, widely shared benefits help to generate positive feelings about a society and its government." -http://www.cows.org/about_newsroom_detail.asp?id=76) Also, studies have shown that a fair minimum wage increases employment. Just look at the states with the lowest minimum wages - they also have the highest unemployment. Higher minimum wages entice many to look for work. Go ahead, ask me for a cite. Or google it yourself. the world aint fair. never going to be and no matter how you paint it, worrying about someone getting something you are not is class envy. Don't like it, get stocks and vote, get on the board and do something about it. Using the congress to "impliment" someones will is bs no matter how fair or unfair you think it is. Oh, and if you stop worrying about someone getting a fuller glass than you, you might be more happy."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #79 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Ah yes, class envy. A liberal mainstay. Got to worry about the other guy..... Class envy? No. "How widely the benefits of growth and productivity are shared is a basic measure of economic performance in a democracy - and further, widely shared benefits help to generate positive feelings about a society and its government." -http://www.cows.org/about_newsroom_detail.asp?id=76) Also, studies have shown that a fair minimum wage increases employment. Just look at the states with the lowest minimum wages - they also have the highest unemployment. Higher minimum wages entice many to look for work. Go ahead, ask me for a cite. Or google it yourself. the world aint fair. never going to be and no matter how you paint it, worrying about someone getting something you are not is class envy. Don't like it, get stocks and vote, get on the board and do something about it. Using the congress to "impliment" someones will is bs no matter how fair or unfair you think it is. Oh, and if you stop worrying about someone getting a fuller glass than you, you might be more happy. The Dems are in charge in congress, and soon the white house. So all you six figure earners get ready to dish out some cash to the little guy. Like it or not, your reign of terror is over. It''s time for some good ole fashioned wealth re-distribution!!! As far as worrying about someone getting a fuller glass than me - I am just fine. My glass is plenty full. It's not me I'm concerned about. Proverbs: He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered. He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty. A ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain that leaves no crops. And my favorite: The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern. Now come on religious right- get with the program. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #80 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteConsider this, since conservatives have been saying this will happen (and it has every time) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0210biz-teenwork0210.html Please provide PROOF that it has happened EVERY time. Are you serious Professor?!?!?! Some day people will wake up and realize that it was never the government's job to provide employment to this country. Every time the Feds have ventured into the waters of entrepreneurship to be intrusive, they usually end up cutting the fuel off to the revenue engine. When was the the last time a poor man provided a job??? I guess I shouldn't expect anyone to understand who is completely dependent on government. Leave the self employed alone!!! Didn't see any PROOF there either. I guess your substitute is to rant. Some of you need to re-read "A Christmas Carol". You come over just like Scrooge.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #81 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteIf you're fortunate, NCclimber won't ask for definitive proof of your assertion from a mainstream credible source, and then quibble endlessly over the meaning of "more", "people", "minimum", "wages", "began" and "1938" Is this how it's going to be? You're going to play the victim on a regular basis, to deter me from calling you on your bullshit claims? Tissue? You know, the funny thing is,... if you'd just present some proof of your assertions, when pressed,... this little back and forth between us would be a non-issue. But I guess that's going on the presumption that those assertions aren't LIES. I've provided a lot more proof than you have that Pelosi said "I want my jet". I provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities, and you provide griping, sniping and personal attacks. Repeatedly calling me a liar IS a personal attack.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #82 February 13, 2007 QuoteI've provided a lot more proof than you have that Pelosi said "I want my jet". How many times must I tell you - It was hyperbole!!! QuoteI provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities. True, but in several of those cases you failed to provide proof supporting your actual claims... the ones I've asked about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #83 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteI've provided a lot more proof than you have that Pelosi said "I want my jet". How many times must I tell you - It was hyperbole!!! HA HA - that's a really good excuse for posting something that never actally happened. QuoteI provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities. True, but in several of those cases you failed to provide proof supporting your actual claims... the ones I've asked about. OJ Simpson has not been PROVED to be a killer. Nixon was never PROVED to have participated in the watergate cover-up. Clinton was never PROVED to have had a BJ and lied about it. There is no PROOF that the US government did not engineer the 9/11 events. Just because data I provide does not met your arbitrary standard of proof does not mean that I'm a liar. Nothing can be PROVED with an internet link. Get real.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #84 February 13, 2007 Wealth redistribution = Communism Welcome Komrade!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #85 February 13, 2007 QuoteWealth redistribution = Communism Welcome Komrade!!! Communism is based on the common ownership of the means of production, so no, you are incorrect. But if you want to label me as such to make yourself feel better, go right ahead. Enjoy the tax increase, comrade! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #86 February 13, 2007 What tax increase? If you don't agree with me, I must be wealthy is that it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #87 February 13, 2007 QuoteWhat tax increase? If you don't agree with me, I must be wealthy is that it? Well, there were assumptions made that I am poor, so why not? Then pipe down and take your government hand-out, you uneducated drain on society. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites willard 0 #88 February 13, 2007 QuoteOJ Simpson has not been PROVED to be a killer. Nixon was never PROVED to have participated in the watergate cover-up. Clinton was never PROVED to have had a BJ and lied about it. There is no PROOF that the US government did not engineer the 9/11 events. I would like to see proof of those assertions, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #89 February 13, 2007 Dude I never assumed you were poor nor wealthy. Other people finances are none of my business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyChimp 0 #90 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteConsider this, since conservatives have been saying this will happen (and it has every time) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0210biz-teenwork0210.html Please provide PROOF that it has happened EVERY time. Are you serious Professor?!?!?! Some day people will wake up and realize that it was never the government's job to provide employment to this country. Every time the Feds have ventured into the waters of entrepreneurship to be intrusive, they usually end up cutting the fuel off to the revenue engine. When was the the last time a poor man provided a job??? I guess I shouldn't expect anyone to understand who is completely dependent on government. Leave the self employed alone!!! Didn't see any PROOF there either. I guess your substitute is to rant. Some of you need to re-read "A Christmas Carol". You come over just like Scrooge. That response was WAY off in Left Field! (No Pun!) Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #91 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities. True, but in several of those cases you failed to provide proof supporting your actual claims... the ones I've asked about. OJ Simpson has not been PROVED to be a killer. Nixon was never PROVED to have participated in the watergate cover-up. Clinton was never PROVED to have had a BJ and lied about it. There is no PROOF that the US government did not engineer the 9/11 events. Just because data I provide does not met your arbitrary standard of proof does not mean that I'm a liar. The difference between the examples above and your claims that I question is there are widely accepted, compelling evidence to support those claims. In contrast, you tend to use diversionary tactics instead of actually addressing the points I press you to defend. QuoteApparently (and you would know this since you are there) there was a multi-$million ad campaign against the proposal by the FL Chamber of Commerce, claiming that the sky would fall (or at least, hundreds of thousands would be thrown out of work) if the minimum wage went up. QuoteQuoteQuoteWhere are the hundreds of thousands of unemployed that the right predicted? Any takers? Got a link to support your claim that the right predicted "hundreds of thousands" would be unemployed" if minimum wage were raised? HEY KALLEND!!!! How about a link? **************************************** This little exchange began after I asked you for proof about five or six times. And let's not overlook your effort to make it look like I was questioning whether or not there was any cover up at all. QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou're a slippery one. Still waiting on a link showing how Colin Powell covered up the My Lai massacre. Failed to cover it up would be more accurate. The Pentagon's attempt failed. I never claimed it succeeded, that's you trying to muddy the waters. And still you've repeatedly dodged my requests to provide evidence that Colin Powell tried to cover up the massacre. SSDD QuoteStill waiting or your PROOF that Pelosi said "I want my jet" It was sarcastic hyperbole, based on what was being incorrectly claimed by some GOP knotheads. Sorry you missed that. Narcimund provided 10 pages full of links. Get over yourself. One credible link. Just one. Define "credible". You can do what rushmc does, and dispute anything you don't like regardless of the source. As I asked before, what exactly do you dispute? That the Pentagon brass tried (and failed) to cover up My Lai, or that Powell was involved, or both? Or are you just wasting time here with keyboard masturbation? QuoteAnd still you've repeatedly dodged my requests to provide evidence that Colin Powell tried to cover up the massacre. I've been asking the same question all along. Now you're getting hung up on the word "credible". Sheesh. What a load of crap. So far, you've dodge the question and produced a google search results for all sites/pages that contain Colin Powell My & Lai. BFD. How about producing a story from a mainstream source. *************************************** And of course: QuoteWell, it is a fact that in Gulf War I, 38% of British fatalities were killed by US forces. Which goes to what seems like an unwillingness to concede that you may (just maybe ) have mispoken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #92 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Ah yes, class envy. A liberal mainstay. Got to worry about the other guy..... Class envy? No. "How widely the benefits of growth and productivity are shared is a basic measure of economic performance in a democracy - and further, widely shared benefits help to generate positive feelings about a society and its government." -http://www.cows.org/about_newsroom_detail.asp?id=76) Also, studies have shown that a fair minimum wage increases employment. Just look at the states with the lowest minimum wages - they also have the highest unemployment. Higher minimum wages entice many to look for work. Go ahead, ask me for a cite. Or google it yourself. the world aint fair. never going to be and no matter how you paint it, worrying about someone getting something you are not is class envy. Don't like it, get stocks and vote, get on the board and do something about it. Using the congress to "impliment" someones will is bs no matter how fair or unfair you think it is. Oh, and if you stop worrying about someone getting a fuller glass than you, you might be more happy. The Dems are in charge in congress, and soon the white house. So all you six figure earners get ready to dish out some cash to the little guy. Like it or not, your reign of terror is over. It''s time for some good ole fashioned wealth re-distribution!!! As far as worrying about someone getting a fuller glass than me - I am just fine. My glass is plenty full. It's not me I'm concerned about. Proverbs: He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered. He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty. A ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain that leaves no crops. And my favorite: The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern. Now come on religious right- get with the program. apples and oranges but nice try"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #93 February 13, 2007 What is apples and oranges? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #94 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuote Got a link to support your claim that the right predicted "hundreds of thousands" would be unemployed" if minimum wage were raised? HEY KALLEND!!!! How about a link? ************************************** . I think the accepted response is "Exaggeration for the purposes of sarcasm" (paraphrasing NCclimber, Pelosi "I want my jet" thread). I also described it as "The Sky is Falling". Did you REALLY think I meant that literally? Really?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #95 February 13, 2007 QuoteThe Dems are in charge in congress, and soon the white house. So all you six figure earners get ready to dish out some cash to the little guy. Like it or not, your reign of terror is over. It''s time for some good ole fashioned wealth re-distribution!!! Indeed! You know, it takes a certain kind o fcharacter to refer to the "little people." I dont' refer to them as "little people." I just refer to them as people. It's great to see that I better prepare to lose so much and that there are people out there who are proud of that. You know, I'll put my net worth up against you or any other "little person" so that we may make a determination of who is really a "little person." QuoteProverbs: He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. And how are the poor oppressed? How does a welathy person hold the poor down? By hiring a poor person? Ooooh, evil. QuoteHe who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. There's a difference between being kind to the poor and being mean to the rich and middle class. I think you should think about those differences. It's like being kind to beachgoers by killing every shark. It's not the "kindness" to the beachgoers that is the motivating factor so much as the cruelty to the sharks at work. QuoteIf a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered. Far different from, "if a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he shall be forced to become poor himself, and THEN he'll understand." QuoteHe who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty. Even he who DOESN'T oppress the poor and who gives gifts TO the poor shall come to poverty - Congress shall make sure of it. QuoteA ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain that leaves no crops. A ruler who oppresses the rich is like Stalin, Castro, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot - without the rich to get shit on along with the poor, the poor will take the full load of it. QuoteThe righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern. One of my favorites: "Fairness is giving all people the treatment they earn and deserve. It doesn’t mean treating everyone alike." - John Wooden This means that if a person has oppressed the poor, you don't lump that person in with everyone else in the same place. You don't seem to want to help the poor so much as you want to destroy the rich. Is wealth, in an of itself, evil? Is a person with a six-figure income deserving of whatever bad comes to him? Why is it that "no money = good. A lot of money = evil." If the equation does not accurately reflect your beliefs, then you are putting forth the idea that it is all right to punish the righteous person simply because he orshe also has money. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #96 February 13, 2007 OJ Simpson has not been PROVED to be a killer - yes he was. Civilly, he was proven liable for the deaths. Nixon was never PROVED to have participated in the watergate cover-up - not in court or in congress, but it is pretty much undeniable that he did because of the proof provided. Clinton was never PROVED to have had a BJ and lied about it. - yes he was, and the court sanctioned him $90k because his deliberate lie made the opposing counsel do a lot of work to prove he lied. There is no PROOF that the US government did not engineer the 9/11 events - nope. It's very difficult to prove a negative, like proving God doesn't exist. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #97 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe Dems are in charge in congress, and soon the white house. So all you six figure earners get ready to dish out some cash to the little guy. Like it or not, your reign of terror is over. It''s time for some good ole fashioned wealth re-distribution!!! Indeed! You know, it takes a certain kind o fcharacter to refer to the "little people." I dont' refer to them as "little people." I just refer to them as people. It's great to see that I better prepare to lose so much and that there are people out there who are proud of that. You know, I'll put my net worth up against you or any other "little person" so that we may make a determination of who is really a "little person." QuoteProverbs: He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. And how are the poor oppressed? How does a welathy person hold the poor down? By hiring a poor person? Ooooh, evil. QuoteHe who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. There's a difference between being kind to the poor and being mean to the rich and middle class. I think you should think about those differences. It's like being kind to beachgoers by killing every shark. It's not the "kindness" to the beachgoers that is the motivating factor so much as the cruelty to the sharks at work. QuoteIf a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered. Far different from, "if a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he shall be forced to become poor himself, and THEN he'll understand." QuoteHe who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty. Even he who DOESN'T oppress the poor and who gives gifts TO the poor shall come to poverty - Congress shall make sure of it. QuoteA ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain that leaves no crops. A ruler who oppresses the rich is like Stalin, Castro, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot - without the rich to get shit on along with the poor, the poor will take the full load of it. QuoteThe righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern. One of my favorites: "Fairness is giving all people the treatment they earn and deserve. It doesn’t mean treating everyone alike." - John Wooden This means that if a person has oppressed the poor, you don't lump that person in with everyone else in the same place. You don't seem to want to help the poor so much as you want to destroy the rich. Is wealth, in an of itself, evil? Is a person with a six-figure income deserving of whatever bad comes to him? Why is it that "no money = good. A lot of money = evil." If the equation does not accurately reflect your beliefs, then you are putting forth the idea that it is all right to punish the righteous person simply because he orshe also has money. I can't believe you are arguing with Proverbs. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #98 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Got a link to support your claim that the right predicted "hundreds of thousands" would be unemployed" if minimum wage were raised? HEY KALLEND!!!! How about a link? ************************************** . I think the accepted response is "Exaggeration for the purposes of sarcasm" (paraphrasing NCclimber, Pelosi "I want my jet" thread). I also described it as "The Sky is Falling". Did you REALLY think I meant that literally? Really? Riiiiight. QuoteApparently,... there was a multi-$million ad campaign against the proposal by the FL Chamber of Commerce, claiming that the sky would fall (or at least, hundreds of thousands would be thrown out of work) if the minimum wage went up. I'm guessing most people would infer the "sky is fallin" part as hyperbole. I never questioned it. And your "or at least, hundreds of thousands would be thrown out of work" was considered a serious statement. But that's just me. Funny thing, you using the "exaggeration for the purposes of sarcasm" rationale at this late date, right after I repeatedly explained its use in a recent thread. Coincidence? Ironic? Who is to say? I wonder why you didn't say that when I asked you about it back in December??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #79 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Ah yes, class envy. A liberal mainstay. Got to worry about the other guy..... Class envy? No. "How widely the benefits of growth and productivity are shared is a basic measure of economic performance in a democracy - and further, widely shared benefits help to generate positive feelings about a society and its government." -http://www.cows.org/about_newsroom_detail.asp?id=76) Also, studies have shown that a fair minimum wage increases employment. Just look at the states with the lowest minimum wages - they also have the highest unemployment. Higher minimum wages entice many to look for work. Go ahead, ask me for a cite. Or google it yourself. the world aint fair. never going to be and no matter how you paint it, worrying about someone getting something you are not is class envy. Don't like it, get stocks and vote, get on the board and do something about it. Using the congress to "impliment" someones will is bs no matter how fair or unfair you think it is. Oh, and if you stop worrying about someone getting a fuller glass than you, you might be more happy. The Dems are in charge in congress, and soon the white house. So all you six figure earners get ready to dish out some cash to the little guy. Like it or not, your reign of terror is over. It''s time for some good ole fashioned wealth re-distribution!!! As far as worrying about someone getting a fuller glass than me - I am just fine. My glass is plenty full. It's not me I'm concerned about. Proverbs: He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered. He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty. A ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain that leaves no crops. And my favorite: The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern. Now come on religious right- get with the program. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #80 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteConsider this, since conservatives have been saying this will happen (and it has every time) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0210biz-teenwork0210.html Please provide PROOF that it has happened EVERY time. Are you serious Professor?!?!?! Some day people will wake up and realize that it was never the government's job to provide employment to this country. Every time the Feds have ventured into the waters of entrepreneurship to be intrusive, they usually end up cutting the fuel off to the revenue engine. When was the the last time a poor man provided a job??? I guess I shouldn't expect anyone to understand who is completely dependent on government. Leave the self employed alone!!! Didn't see any PROOF there either. I guess your substitute is to rant. Some of you need to re-read "A Christmas Carol". You come over just like Scrooge.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #81 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteIf you're fortunate, NCclimber won't ask for definitive proof of your assertion from a mainstream credible source, and then quibble endlessly over the meaning of "more", "people", "minimum", "wages", "began" and "1938" Is this how it's going to be? You're going to play the victim on a regular basis, to deter me from calling you on your bullshit claims? Tissue? You know, the funny thing is,... if you'd just present some proof of your assertions, when pressed,... this little back and forth between us would be a non-issue. But I guess that's going on the presumption that those assertions aren't LIES. I've provided a lot more proof than you have that Pelosi said "I want my jet". I provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities, and you provide griping, sniping and personal attacks. Repeatedly calling me a liar IS a personal attack.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #82 February 13, 2007 QuoteI've provided a lot more proof than you have that Pelosi said "I want my jet". How many times must I tell you - It was hyperbole!!! QuoteI provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities. True, but in several of those cases you failed to provide proof supporting your actual claims... the ones I've asked about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #83 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteI've provided a lot more proof than you have that Pelosi said "I want my jet". How many times must I tell you - It was hyperbole!!! HA HA - that's a really good excuse for posting something that never actally happened. QuoteI provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities. True, but in several of those cases you failed to provide proof supporting your actual claims... the ones I've asked about. OJ Simpson has not been PROVED to be a killer. Nixon was never PROVED to have participated in the watergate cover-up. Clinton was never PROVED to have had a BJ and lied about it. There is no PROOF that the US government did not engineer the 9/11 events. Just because data I provide does not met your arbitrary standard of proof does not mean that I'm a liar. Nothing can be PROVED with an internet link. Get real.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #80 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteConsider this, since conservatives have been saying this will happen (and it has every time) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0210biz-teenwork0210.html Please provide PROOF that it has happened EVERY time. Are you serious Professor?!?!?! Some day people will wake up and realize that it was never the government's job to provide employment to this country. Every time the Feds have ventured into the waters of entrepreneurship to be intrusive, they usually end up cutting the fuel off to the revenue engine. When was the the last time a poor man provided a job??? I guess I shouldn't expect anyone to understand who is completely dependent on government. Leave the self employed alone!!! Didn't see any PROOF there either. I guess your substitute is to rant. Some of you need to re-read "A Christmas Carol". You come over just like Scrooge.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #81 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteIf you're fortunate, NCclimber won't ask for definitive proof of your assertion from a mainstream credible source, and then quibble endlessly over the meaning of "more", "people", "minimum", "wages", "began" and "1938" Is this how it's going to be? You're going to play the victim on a regular basis, to deter me from calling you on your bullshit claims? Tissue? You know, the funny thing is,... if you'd just present some proof of your assertions, when pressed,... this little back and forth between us would be a non-issue. But I guess that's going on the presumption that those assertions aren't LIES. I've provided a lot more proof than you have that Pelosi said "I want my jet". I provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities, and you provide griping, sniping and personal attacks. Repeatedly calling me a liar IS a personal attack.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #82 February 13, 2007 QuoteI've provided a lot more proof than you have that Pelosi said "I want my jet". How many times must I tell you - It was hyperbole!!! QuoteI provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities. True, but in several of those cases you failed to provide proof supporting your actual claims... the ones I've asked about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #83 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteI've provided a lot more proof than you have that Pelosi said "I want my jet". How many times must I tell you - It was hyperbole!!! HA HA - that's a really good excuse for posting something that never actally happened. QuoteI provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities. True, but in several of those cases you failed to provide proof supporting your actual claims... the ones I've asked about. OJ Simpson has not been PROVED to be a killer. Nixon was never PROVED to have participated in the watergate cover-up. Clinton was never PROVED to have had a BJ and lied about it. There is no PROOF that the US government did not engineer the 9/11 events. Just because data I provide does not met your arbitrary standard of proof does not mean that I'm a liar. Nothing can be PROVED with an internet link. Get real.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #84 February 13, 2007 Wealth redistribution = Communism Welcome Komrade!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #85 February 13, 2007 QuoteWealth redistribution = Communism Welcome Komrade!!! Communism is based on the common ownership of the means of production, so no, you are incorrect. But if you want to label me as such to make yourself feel better, go right ahead. Enjoy the tax increase, comrade! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #86 February 13, 2007 What tax increase? If you don't agree with me, I must be wealthy is that it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #87 February 13, 2007 QuoteWhat tax increase? If you don't agree with me, I must be wealthy is that it? Well, there were assumptions made that I am poor, so why not? Then pipe down and take your government hand-out, you uneducated drain on society. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #88 February 13, 2007 QuoteOJ Simpson has not been PROVED to be a killer. Nixon was never PROVED to have participated in the watergate cover-up. Clinton was never PROVED to have had a BJ and lied about it. There is no PROOF that the US government did not engineer the 9/11 events. I would like to see proof of those assertions, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #89 February 13, 2007 Dude I never assumed you were poor nor wealthy. Other people finances are none of my business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyChimp 0 #90 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteConsider this, since conservatives have been saying this will happen (and it has every time) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0210biz-teenwork0210.html Please provide PROOF that it has happened EVERY time. Are you serious Professor?!?!?! Some day people will wake up and realize that it was never the government's job to provide employment to this country. Every time the Feds have ventured into the waters of entrepreneurship to be intrusive, they usually end up cutting the fuel off to the revenue engine. When was the the last time a poor man provided a job??? I guess I shouldn't expect anyone to understand who is completely dependent on government. Leave the self employed alone!!! Didn't see any PROOF there either. I guess your substitute is to rant. Some of you need to re-read "A Christmas Carol". You come over just like Scrooge. That response was WAY off in Left Field! (No Pun!) Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #89 February 13, 2007 Dude I never assumed you were poor nor wealthy. Other people finances are none of my business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #90 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteConsider this, since conservatives have been saying this will happen (and it has every time) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0210biz-teenwork0210.html Please provide PROOF that it has happened EVERY time. Are you serious Professor?!?!?! Some day people will wake up and realize that it was never the government's job to provide employment to this country. Every time the Feds have ventured into the waters of entrepreneurship to be intrusive, they usually end up cutting the fuel off to the revenue engine. When was the the last time a poor man provided a job??? I guess I shouldn't expect anyone to understand who is completely dependent on government. Leave the self employed alone!!! Didn't see any PROOF there either. I guess your substitute is to rant. Some of you need to re-read "A Christmas Carol". You come over just like Scrooge. That response was WAY off in Left Field! (No Pun!) Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #91 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI provided links to the FBI and DoJ on gun issues, statistics on homicides and violent crimes, links to references on My Lai and its cover-up, references to the minimum wage law in Florida, data on friendly fire fatalities. True, but in several of those cases you failed to provide proof supporting your actual claims... the ones I've asked about. OJ Simpson has not been PROVED to be a killer. Nixon was never PROVED to have participated in the watergate cover-up. Clinton was never PROVED to have had a BJ and lied about it. There is no PROOF that the US government did not engineer the 9/11 events. Just because data I provide does not met your arbitrary standard of proof does not mean that I'm a liar. The difference between the examples above and your claims that I question is there are widely accepted, compelling evidence to support those claims. In contrast, you tend to use diversionary tactics instead of actually addressing the points I press you to defend. QuoteApparently (and you would know this since you are there) there was a multi-$million ad campaign against the proposal by the FL Chamber of Commerce, claiming that the sky would fall (or at least, hundreds of thousands would be thrown out of work) if the minimum wage went up. QuoteQuoteQuoteWhere are the hundreds of thousands of unemployed that the right predicted? Any takers? Got a link to support your claim that the right predicted "hundreds of thousands" would be unemployed" if minimum wage were raised? HEY KALLEND!!!! How about a link? **************************************** This little exchange began after I asked you for proof about five or six times. And let's not overlook your effort to make it look like I was questioning whether or not there was any cover up at all. QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou're a slippery one. Still waiting on a link showing how Colin Powell covered up the My Lai massacre. Failed to cover it up would be more accurate. The Pentagon's attempt failed. I never claimed it succeeded, that's you trying to muddy the waters. And still you've repeatedly dodged my requests to provide evidence that Colin Powell tried to cover up the massacre. SSDD QuoteStill waiting or your PROOF that Pelosi said "I want my jet" It was sarcastic hyperbole, based on what was being incorrectly claimed by some GOP knotheads. Sorry you missed that. Narcimund provided 10 pages full of links. Get over yourself. One credible link. Just one. Define "credible". You can do what rushmc does, and dispute anything you don't like regardless of the source. As I asked before, what exactly do you dispute? That the Pentagon brass tried (and failed) to cover up My Lai, or that Powell was involved, or both? Or are you just wasting time here with keyboard masturbation? QuoteAnd still you've repeatedly dodged my requests to provide evidence that Colin Powell tried to cover up the massacre. I've been asking the same question all along. Now you're getting hung up on the word "credible". Sheesh. What a load of crap. So far, you've dodge the question and produced a google search results for all sites/pages that contain Colin Powell My & Lai. BFD. How about producing a story from a mainstream source. *************************************** And of course: QuoteWell, it is a fact that in Gulf War I, 38% of British fatalities were killed by US forces. Which goes to what seems like an unwillingness to concede that you may (just maybe ) have mispoken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #92 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Ah yes, class envy. A liberal mainstay. Got to worry about the other guy..... Class envy? No. "How widely the benefits of growth and productivity are shared is a basic measure of economic performance in a democracy - and further, widely shared benefits help to generate positive feelings about a society and its government." -http://www.cows.org/about_newsroom_detail.asp?id=76) Also, studies have shown that a fair minimum wage increases employment. Just look at the states with the lowest minimum wages - they also have the highest unemployment. Higher minimum wages entice many to look for work. Go ahead, ask me for a cite. Or google it yourself. the world aint fair. never going to be and no matter how you paint it, worrying about someone getting something you are not is class envy. Don't like it, get stocks and vote, get on the board and do something about it. Using the congress to "impliment" someones will is bs no matter how fair or unfair you think it is. Oh, and if you stop worrying about someone getting a fuller glass than you, you might be more happy. The Dems are in charge in congress, and soon the white house. So all you six figure earners get ready to dish out some cash to the little guy. Like it or not, your reign of terror is over. It''s time for some good ole fashioned wealth re-distribution!!! As far as worrying about someone getting a fuller glass than me - I am just fine. My glass is plenty full. It's not me I'm concerned about. Proverbs: He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered. He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty. A ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain that leaves no crops. And my favorite: The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern. Now come on religious right- get with the program. apples and oranges but nice try"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #93 February 13, 2007 What is apples and oranges? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #94 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuote Got a link to support your claim that the right predicted "hundreds of thousands" would be unemployed" if minimum wage were raised? HEY KALLEND!!!! How about a link? ************************************** . I think the accepted response is "Exaggeration for the purposes of sarcasm" (paraphrasing NCclimber, Pelosi "I want my jet" thread). I also described it as "The Sky is Falling". Did you REALLY think I meant that literally? Really?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #93 February 13, 2007 What is apples and oranges? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #94 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuote Got a link to support your claim that the right predicted "hundreds of thousands" would be unemployed" if minimum wage were raised? HEY KALLEND!!!! How about a link? ************************************** . I think the accepted response is "Exaggeration for the purposes of sarcasm" (paraphrasing NCclimber, Pelosi "I want my jet" thread). I also described it as "The Sky is Falling". Did you REALLY think I meant that literally? Really?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #95 February 13, 2007 QuoteThe Dems are in charge in congress, and soon the white house. So all you six figure earners get ready to dish out some cash to the little guy. Like it or not, your reign of terror is over. It''s time for some good ole fashioned wealth re-distribution!!! Indeed! You know, it takes a certain kind o fcharacter to refer to the "little people." I dont' refer to them as "little people." I just refer to them as people. It's great to see that I better prepare to lose so much and that there are people out there who are proud of that. You know, I'll put my net worth up against you or any other "little person" so that we may make a determination of who is really a "little person." QuoteProverbs: He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. And how are the poor oppressed? How does a welathy person hold the poor down? By hiring a poor person? Ooooh, evil. QuoteHe who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. There's a difference between being kind to the poor and being mean to the rich and middle class. I think you should think about those differences. It's like being kind to beachgoers by killing every shark. It's not the "kindness" to the beachgoers that is the motivating factor so much as the cruelty to the sharks at work. QuoteIf a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered. Far different from, "if a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he shall be forced to become poor himself, and THEN he'll understand." QuoteHe who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty. Even he who DOESN'T oppress the poor and who gives gifts TO the poor shall come to poverty - Congress shall make sure of it. QuoteA ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain that leaves no crops. A ruler who oppresses the rich is like Stalin, Castro, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot - without the rich to get shit on along with the poor, the poor will take the full load of it. QuoteThe righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern. One of my favorites: "Fairness is giving all people the treatment they earn and deserve. It doesn’t mean treating everyone alike." - John Wooden This means that if a person has oppressed the poor, you don't lump that person in with everyone else in the same place. You don't seem to want to help the poor so much as you want to destroy the rich. Is wealth, in an of itself, evil? Is a person with a six-figure income deserving of whatever bad comes to him? Why is it that "no money = good. A lot of money = evil." If the equation does not accurately reflect your beliefs, then you are putting forth the idea that it is all right to punish the righteous person simply because he orshe also has money. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #96 February 13, 2007 OJ Simpson has not been PROVED to be a killer - yes he was. Civilly, he was proven liable for the deaths. Nixon was never PROVED to have participated in the watergate cover-up - not in court or in congress, but it is pretty much undeniable that he did because of the proof provided. Clinton was never PROVED to have had a BJ and lied about it. - yes he was, and the court sanctioned him $90k because his deliberate lie made the opposing counsel do a lot of work to prove he lied. There is no PROOF that the US government did not engineer the 9/11 events - nope. It's very difficult to prove a negative, like proving God doesn't exist. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #97 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe Dems are in charge in congress, and soon the white house. So all you six figure earners get ready to dish out some cash to the little guy. Like it or not, your reign of terror is over. It''s time for some good ole fashioned wealth re-distribution!!! Indeed! You know, it takes a certain kind o fcharacter to refer to the "little people." I dont' refer to them as "little people." I just refer to them as people. It's great to see that I better prepare to lose so much and that there are people out there who are proud of that. You know, I'll put my net worth up against you or any other "little person" so that we may make a determination of who is really a "little person." QuoteProverbs: He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. And how are the poor oppressed? How does a welathy person hold the poor down? By hiring a poor person? Ooooh, evil. QuoteHe who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. There's a difference between being kind to the poor and being mean to the rich and middle class. I think you should think about those differences. It's like being kind to beachgoers by killing every shark. It's not the "kindness" to the beachgoers that is the motivating factor so much as the cruelty to the sharks at work. QuoteIf a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered. Far different from, "if a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he shall be forced to become poor himself, and THEN he'll understand." QuoteHe who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty. Even he who DOESN'T oppress the poor and who gives gifts TO the poor shall come to poverty - Congress shall make sure of it. QuoteA ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain that leaves no crops. A ruler who oppresses the rich is like Stalin, Castro, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot - without the rich to get shit on along with the poor, the poor will take the full load of it. QuoteThe righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern. One of my favorites: "Fairness is giving all people the treatment they earn and deserve. It doesn’t mean treating everyone alike." - John Wooden This means that if a person has oppressed the poor, you don't lump that person in with everyone else in the same place. You don't seem to want to help the poor so much as you want to destroy the rich. Is wealth, in an of itself, evil? Is a person with a six-figure income deserving of whatever bad comes to him? Why is it that "no money = good. A lot of money = evil." If the equation does not accurately reflect your beliefs, then you are putting forth the idea that it is all right to punish the righteous person simply because he orshe also has money. I can't believe you are arguing with Proverbs. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #98 February 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Got a link to support your claim that the right predicted "hundreds of thousands" would be unemployed" if minimum wage were raised? HEY KALLEND!!!! How about a link? ************************************** . I think the accepted response is "Exaggeration for the purposes of sarcasm" (paraphrasing NCclimber, Pelosi "I want my jet" thread). I also described it as "The Sky is Falling". Did you REALLY think I meant that literally? Really? Riiiiight. QuoteApparently,... there was a multi-$million ad campaign against the proposal by the FL Chamber of Commerce, claiming that the sky would fall (or at least, hundreds of thousands would be thrown out of work) if the minimum wage went up. I'm guessing most people would infer the "sky is fallin" part as hyperbole. I never questioned it. And your "or at least, hundreds of thousands would be thrown out of work" was considered a serious statement. But that's just me. Funny thing, you using the "exaggeration for the purposes of sarcasm" rationale at this late date, right after I repeatedly explained its use in a recent thread. Coincidence? Ironic? Who is to say? I wonder why you didn't say that when I asked you about it back in December??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #99 February 13, 2007 Quote Coincidence? Ironic? Who is to say? Just learning from a master. "I want my jet"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #100 February 13, 2007 Quoteyour reign of terror is over. Reign of terror is over - a great relief for those under dire straights Rain of terror is over - a great relief for those who are outside and moist Rein of terror is over - a great relief for horses and horsemen Would someone like to play the same game with "dire straights" or with the word "horsemen"? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
