Lindercles 0 #1 February 6, 2007 QuoteDeath penalty proposed for repeat sexual predators Texas lawmakers are talking tough about cracking down on sexual predators who prey on children. Some propose the death penalty for repeat offenders. That could generate hundreds more death row inmates in a state that already executes more than any other. Other ideas include long mandatory sentences for first-time offenders or eliminating probation. But opposition is flaring from unexpected sources – prosecutors and victim advocates. They fear some of the proposals would make it harder to get convictions. They also worry that tougher punishments would only increase the incentive for molesters to kill their victims to keep them from testifying against them. And there's the question of whether the death penalty in sex offenses is even constitutional. In 1977, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed a death sentence for a Georgia man convicted of raping a woman. Justices called it an “excessive penalty for the rapist, who as such does not take human life.'' But Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst has led the charge for tougher penalties for child molesters. He's calling for a 25-year minimum sentence after the first conviction when a victim is younger than 14 and a death penalty option for repeat offenders. Richard Dieter of the Death Penalty Information Resource Center in Washington sees it as “a trend'' and “a strong, symbolic gesture.'' But in his words, “I don't see it being used very much.'' Link to story Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #2 February 6, 2007 Quote But Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst has led the charge for tougher penalties for child molesters. He's calling for a 25-year minimum sentence after the first conviction when a victim is younger than 14 and a death penalty option for repeat offenders. Saw this and wondered: 'What happens if two 13-yr olds have sex twice?'. Off to the gallows with them both? More seriously though, being against the death penalty on principle, this doesn't even get off the ground as far as I'm concerned. Simply increases the chances on spending a fortune in convicting and executing people some of whom, given human fallibility, might well prove innocent somewhere down the line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #3 February 6, 2007 I agree, it costs too much to kill someone for what is no more than revenge. If its cheaper to keep someone locked up for life (which it is) and make them suffer, then do that. Preferably on a not-so-segregated wing where they may bump into regular inmates Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #4 February 6, 2007 "Some states are doing away with the death penalty, mine (TX) is putting in an express lane" -- Ron White steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #5 February 6, 2007 Good. We put down rabid dogs, time to up the ante to kiddie-fuckers.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taikoen 0 #6 February 6, 2007 QuoteQuote But Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst has led the charge for tougher penalties for child molesters. He's calling for a 25-year minimum sentence after the first conviction when a victim is younger than 14 and a death penalty option for repeat offenders. Saw this and wondered: 'What happens if two 13-yr olds have sex twice?'. Off to the gallows with them both? More seriously though, being against the death penalty on principle, this doesn't even get off the ground as far as I'm concerned. Simply increases the chances on spending a fortune in convicting and executing people some of whom, given human fallibility, might well prove innocent somewhere down the line. Last I knew, the law was that the age of consensual sex in Texas was 17 or within three years of age to each other. According to that, two 13-year-olds could have sex all that they wanted to. Just how sixteen-year-olds can have sex with each other and it's not statutory rape. Or how in many states a seventeen-year-old can have sex with an eighteen-year-old. That birthday doesn't make someone within a week of your own age "illegal." I think it's so extremely disturbing for the people that commit these crimes. I had someone recommend the movie Hard Candy to me because he wanted to see if I could watch it. I wanted to turn it off a few times while watching it and felt dirty the whole time. Maybe it's just me, but I don't find thirteen-year-old girls appealing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #7 February 6, 2007 It's about time. I do not understand why people would get all bent out of shape because a kiddie molester ends up facing the gallows. We do not mind killing cockroaches, why get upset if a pedofilth ends up getting the rope? Good riddance. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #8 February 6, 2007 Quote"Some states are doing away with the death penalty, mine (TX) is putting in an express lane" -- Ron White ___________________________________ Yeah, Buddy! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #9 February 7, 2007 Why not! For one thing, child molestors cannot be changed. I've read the results of surveys taken among prisoners throughout this country, who were locked-up for child molestation. When asked what the first thing was, they would do upon release from prison? The overwhelming response was; "Find a kid!" Nuff said. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #10 February 7, 2007 Texas considers killing them as Hollywood gives them Oscars. P.S. I know which I find more repugnant. Clue: it ain't Texas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 February 7, 2007 so are those convicted of statuatory rape considered child molesters in this discussion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #12 February 7, 2007 Quoteso are those convicted of statuatory rape considered child molesters in this discussion? ____________________________ I believe, the discussion is in regard to child sexual predators. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #13 February 7, 2007 It's about time. I do not understand why people would get all bent out of shape because a kiddie molester ends up facing the gallows. We do not mind killing cockroaches, why get upset if a pedofilth ends up getting the rope? Good riddance. *** *ding ding ding*... we have a winner!!!! I agree completely make the penalty severe... very severe! RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteso are those convicted of statuatory rape considered child molesters in this discussion? ____________________________ I believe, the discussion is in regard to child sexual predators. which means what, exactly? That's not a legal term. Is it any 'sex crime' involving a minor? A minor under 16? 14? 12? Is flashing a kid as bad as [use your own imagination]? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #15 February 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteso are those convicted of statuatory rape considered child molesters in this discussion? ____________________________ I believe, the discussion is in regard to child sexual predators. which means what, exactly? That's not a legal term. Is it any 'sex crime' involving a minor? A minor under 16? 14? 12? Is flashing a kid as bad as [use your own imagination]? ______________________________ We're talking about the creep son's of bitches who kidnap a kid, a minor child, have sex with that kid and 9 out of 10 times kills the kid and makes a habit of it. Leastwise, that's what I got out of the original post. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 February 7, 2007 QuoteWe're talking about the creep son's of bitches who kidnap a kid, a minor child, have sex with that kid and 9 out of 10 times kills the kid and makes a habit of it. Leastwise, that's what I got out of the original post. well, that's a nice precise legal definition, Chuck. Outside of the killing part, this is exactly what happens with consensual statuatory rape too. And I agree with the fear that a mandatory death sentence will guarantee it's 10 out of 10. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #17 February 7, 2007 QuoteI agree completely make the penalty severe... very severe! Use them for medical experiments. 1: They deserve it 2: They can actually repay society to some extent. 3: I find it so sad that we use innocent animals who have harmed no-one while these sickos get 3 squares a day, a roof over their head, benefits and a lawyer to make sure their "rights" are protected. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #18 February 8, 2007 Didn't South Carolina do that a few years ago?Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #19 February 8, 2007 Thats not a bad idea. If they are going to let these sick perverted sons of bitches back on the streets they should be branded on their faces where it can be seen by all and every person they run into in their daily lives gets a free shot without reprecussion. Bottom line though. I think they should be hung. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #20 February 8, 2007 This thread reminds me of The Aristocrat. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #21 February 8, 2007 I find it so sad that we use innocent animals who have harmed no-one while these sickos get 3 squares a day, a roof over their head, benefits and a lawyer to make sure their "rights" are protected. *** that is an awsome idea, and ya know..... I like it !!!! these sick fucks deserve NO consideration RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #22 February 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteWe're talking about the creep son's of bitches who kidnap a kid, a minor child, have sex with that kid and 9 out of 10 times kills the kid and makes a habit of it. Leastwise, that's what I got out of the original post. well, that's a nice precise legal definition, Chuck. Outside of the killing part, this is exactly what happens with consensual statuatory rape too. And I agree with the fear that a mandatory death sentence will guarantee it's 10 out of 10. _______________________________ What would you call them? O.K., you got me. How is 'consensual statutory rape' and 'forcible rape' the same? Chuck Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #23 February 8, 2007 I wonder if there would be more or fewer false accusations. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #24 February 8, 2007 QuoteI wonder if there would be more or fewer false accusations. linz ________________________________ That's a good question. No tellin' what a mad, hurt or up-set woman could do with that. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
