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Now, how many black team owners are there (as %), compared to the number of black players (as %) in the NFL?

Are you suggesting that only black people be allowed the opportunity to buy a team to increase the % of black team owners compared to the % of black players?

When a team comes up for sale, everyone who is qualified (regardless of the color of their skin) should have the opportunity to buy the team.

I remember when only "qualified" people were allowed to vote. Of course, blacks couldn't qualify in much of the south.

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>I remember when only "qualified" people were allowed to vote.

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that qualified people who want to buy teams are being denied based on their skin color? That seems pretty unsupportable.

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I remember when only "qualified" people were allowed to vote. Of course, blacks couldn't qualify in much of the south.

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>I remember when only "qualified" people were allowed to vote.

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that qualified people who want to buy teams are being denied based on their skin color? That seems pretty unsupportable.

Ummm - the "qualification" here seems to be the possession of $100,000,000 or more. I suspect the % of billionaires who are black is rather smaller than the % of billionaires in the general population. Willing to be proven wrong. (Oprah could do it).

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>I remember when only "qualified" people were allowed to vote.

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that qualified people who want to buy teams are being denied based on their skin color? That seems pretty unsupportable.

Ummm - the "qualification" here seems to be the possession of $100,000,000 or more. I suspect the % of billionaires who are black is rather smaller than the % of billionaires in the general population. Willing to be proven wrong.

You simply made the statement that to be qualified you must be rich and there are more white rich people than black rich people. You did not prove that people are denied based on skin color.

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>Ummm - the "qualification" here seems to be the possession of $100,000,000 . . .

OK, so you are not suggesting that blacks are not qualified to buy a team, just that most of them don't have enough money. Fair enough - but that's something of a different issue.

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>I remember when only "qualified" people were allowed to vote.

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that qualified people who want to buy teams are being denied based on their skin color? That seems pretty unsupportable.

Ummm - the "qualification" here seems to be the possession of $100,000,000 or more. I suspect the % of billionaires who are black is rather smaller than the % of billionaires in the general population. Willing to be proven wrong. (Oprah could do it).

Race baiting about black billionaires?

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>I remember when only "qualified" people were allowed to vote.

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that qualified people who want to buy teams are being denied based on their skin color? That seems pretty unsupportable.

Ummm - the "qualification" here seems to be the possession of $100,000,000 or more. I suspect the % of billionaires who are black is rather smaller than the % of billionaires in the general population. Willing to be proven wrong.

You simply made the statement that to be qualified you must be rich and there are more white rich people than black rich people. You did not prove that people are denied based on skin color.

Southerners were not denied the vote based on skin color either, they were denied based on "tests" administered by county officials. Funny how well it correlated, though.

In addition to completing the application and swearing the oaths, you had to pass the actual "Literacy Test" itself. Because the Movement was running "Citizenship Schools" to help folk learn how to fill out the forms and pass the test, Alabama changed the test 4 times in less than two years (1964-1965). At the time of the Selma Voting Rights campaign there were actually 100 different tests in use. In theory, each applicant was supposed to chose one at random from a big loose-leaf binder. In real life, some individual tests were easier than others and the registrar made sure that Black applicants got the hardest ones.

A typical test consisted of three-parts. For example:


In "Part A" the applicant was given a selection of the Constitution to read aloud. The registrar could assign you a long complex section filled with legalese and convoluted sentences, or he could tell you to read a simple one or two sentence section. The Registrar marked each word he thought you mispronounced. In some cases you had to orally interpret the section to the registrar's satisfaction. You then had to either copy out by hand a section of the Constitution, or write it down from dictation as the registrar spoke (mumbled) it. White applicants usually were allowed to copy, Black applicants usually had to take dictation. The Registrar then judged whether you were able to "read and write," of if you were "illiterate."

In Parts "B" and "C," you had to answer two different sets of four written questions each. Part "B" was 4 questions based on the excerpt you had written down. Part "C" consisted of 4 "general knowledge" questions about state and national government.
Your application was then reviewed by the three-member Board of Registrars — often in secret at a later date. They voted on whether or not you passed. It was entirely up to the judgment of the Board whether you passed or failed. If you were white and missed every single question they could still pass you if — in their sole judgment — you were "qualified." If you were Black and got every one correct, they could still flunk you if they considered you "unqualified."

Your name was published in the local newspaper listing of those who had applied to register. That was to make sure that all of your employers, landlords, mortgage-holders, bank loan officers, business-suppliers, and etc, were kept informed of this important event. And, of course, all of the information on your application was quietly passed under the table to the White Citizens Council and KKK for appropriate action. Their job was to encourage you to withdraw your application, — or withdraw yourself out of the county, — by whatever means they deemed necessary.

Some people ask how anyone, white or Black, ever got through this mess to actually register? A good question. As a matter of public record, white registration in Alabama was very high, while Black registration was minuscule. In the counties where African-Americans were the majority of the population, white registration was close to, or over, 100% (in some cases as high as 115%), while Black registration was zero or close to it.

White registration could be over 100% because when white voters died or moved out of the area their names were kept on the voting list. Oddly enough, many of them (even the dead ones), still somehow managed to actually vote (usually for the incumbent) every election day. This was commonly referred to as the "tombstone vote" and to the local politicians it was a miracle of Southern democracy.

All this in the lifetime of Dungy, Smith (and me).

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You simply made the statement that to be qualified you must be rich and there are more white rich people than black rich people. You did not prove that people are denied based on skin color.

Southerners were not denied the vote based on skin color either, they were denied based on "tests" administered by county officials. Funny how well it correlated, though.

You are comparing apples to orangutans.

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Now, how many black team owners are there (as %), compared to the number of black players (as %) in the NFL?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on why black players are the majority in the NFL and NBA.

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Now, how many black team owners are there (as %), compared to the number of black players (as %) in the NFL?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on why black players are the majority in the NFL and NBA.

Because the teams want to win.

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Now, how many black team owners are there (as %), compared to the number of black players (as %) in the NFL?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on why black players are the majority in the NFL and NBA.

Because the teams want to win.

Are you saying blacks are better athletes than whites? If so, why?

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Now, how many black team owners are there (as %), compared to the number of black players (as %) in the NFL?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on why black players are the majority in the NFL and NBA.

Because the teams want to win.

Perhaps there will be a day when we see well paid, black NFL players that purchase their own teams and become owners, if that is something they wish to pursue.

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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>Perhaps there will be a day when we see well paid, black NFL
>players that purchase their own teams and become owners, if that is
>something they wish to pursue.

I'm hoping we see a day that someone buys a team and no one remarks on their color.

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>Perhaps there will be a day when we see well paid, black NFL
>players that purchase their own teams and become owners, if that is
>something they wish to pursue.

I'm hoping we see a day that someone buys a team and no one remarks on their color.

Even better!

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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>Perhaps there will be a day when we see well paid, black NFL
>players that purchase their own teams and become owners, if that is
>something they wish to pursue.

I'm hoping we see a day that someone buys a team and no one remarks on their color.

Unless they are green. I don't like green eggs and ham and I really don't like green people.

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Dungy and Smith are closer to my generation. I'm impressed and pleased for them, and to me it does represent a milestone. If the NFL were really colorblind it could have happened 20 years ago.

Nobody says that the NFL "was colorblind." I agree that it was not. What I AM saying is that this shows that the NFL IS colorblind, or at the very least more colorblind than bigoted.

Do we look back thirty years and say, "But, the NFL was racist. There were no black NFL coaches." That does not do a service to race relations. Instead, it causes more turmoil, anger, hostility, etc.

Yes, racism is wrong. Curing racism is the right thing to do. Actually looking at good results and saying, "Well done" is a good thing.

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Now, how many black team owners are there (as %), compared to the number of black players (as %) in the NFL?

Okay, so roughly 70 percent of NFL players are not white. We should therfore expect 70 percent of NFL owners, general managers, coaches, trainers, etc., to be non-white, right?

That's silly, and it shows a degree of ethnic prejudice, as well. I think it would be nice to see more people become NFL owners by buying and selling teams on the open market. That doesn't happen much, though, does it?

Look at college football for some lingering racism. How many black head coaches are in Division IA? In something like football, which is dominated by old-school boosters, yeah, you'll find more racism.

We don't have that in the NFL. Much like steroids, the NFL took steps to nip it in the bud that reaped rewards (google the Rooney Rule).

Rather than saying, "The Redskins were not integrated until 1963" why not say, "Let's give credit to the NFL for doing it right. Work still needs to be done, but they just need to keep doign wht they've been doing."

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I agree the NFL is doing it right. What I disagree with is the OP's attitude. I also think the work is not yet finished.

You are absolutely correct - those who were not around to see the images on their TVs and movie newsreels in the 50's and 60s forget that the victims of those days are still with us. A third rate education is a millstone around the neck for a lifetime.

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