shermanator 4 #1 February 5, 2007 go to the superbowl/win WHO CARES!!!!! why the flying fu.. does everything have to be turned into race? I don't care if the coaches are vietmanese, hungarian, or even a mutated monkey! the fact is, they are a coach, and they brought their team to the superbowl. in todays society, woopty doo, the coach is just another player on the team, and blacks have been on the team for quite some time now. Charles Follis, yes, casue for the history books. these coaches, no. The thing i find sad, is that it is not even the coaches that bring up the fact that they are black, it is the media and sports announcers. just venting !CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #2 February 5, 2007 THe fact that it irks some people speaks more than anything else.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 4 #3 February 5, 2007 that is a vague statement.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #4 February 5, 2007 The executives and CEO's in these news companies and advertising companies more than likely are in their fifties and sixties. Their generation remembers times when blacks were second class citizens. What we take for granted is pretty monumental for them._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #5 February 5, 2007 QuoteThe executives and CEO's in these news companies and advertising companies more than likely are in their fifties and sixties. Their generation remembers times when blacks were second class citizens. What we take for granted is pretty monumental for them. You make a great point here. The baby boomers had segregation in their face while growing up, yet the younger generations such as my age group never knew first hand the racial problems this country faced years ago. Hopefully in the future we will just be Americans Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #6 February 5, 2007 QuoteHopefully in the future we will just be Americans Hopefully we'll also get over that world-threatening team bigotry and just be people. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #7 February 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteHopefully in the future we will just be Americans Hopefully we'll also get over that world-threatening team bigotry and just be people. I'm not trying to be cruel, just to understand, so do us all a favor and not shout personal attack: Does everything in your world revolve around the prohibition of same sex marriage?Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #8 February 5, 2007 >Does everything in your world revolve around the prohibition of same sex marriage? Uh, what did that have to do with gay marriage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #9 February 5, 2007 QuoteThe executives and CEO's in these news companies and advertising companies more than likely are in their fifties and sixties. Their generation remembers times when blacks were second class citizens. What we take for granted is pretty monumental for them. I think you give those people waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit. If anything, it's all about marketshare. They want to attract new customers without losing current ones. Also, you can add politicians to your list. Bill Clinton comes to mind. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,122 #10 February 5, 2007 Quotego to the superbowl/win ... in todays society, woopty doo, What an ignorant post. In "today's society" there are many people my age who recall blacks not being allowed to sit at the front of a bus, who recall the governor of Alabama standing on the steps saying "Segregation forever", who recall small black children being abused by screaming white adults as they tried to enter their school, who recall blacks denied admission to state universities, who recall black churches being bombed and civil rights workers killed...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #11 February 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteHopefully in the future we will just be Americans Hopefully we'll also get over that world-threatening team bigotry and just be people. I'm not trying to be cruel, just to understand, so do us all a favor and not shout personal attack: Does everything in your world revolve around the prohibition of same sex marriage? What on earth are you talking about? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #12 February 5, 2007 QuoteQuotego to the superbowl/win ... in todays society, woopty doo, What an ignorant post. In "today's society" there are many people my age who recall blacks not being allowed to sit at the front of a bus, who recall the governor of Alabama standing on the steps saying "Segregation forever", who recall small black children being abused by screaming white adults as they tried to enter their school, who recall blacks denied admission to state universities, who recall black churches being bombed and civil rights workers killed... Truly ignorant! Tony Dungy is roughly my age. We were both born in 1955. I don't know if Tony's hometown in Michigan was a prejudicial as mine in Texas. but before the 1964 equal rights act blacks like Tony would not have been allowed to drink from the same water fountain or use the same restroom as whites. He would not be allowed in the city park or allowed to sit in the downstair seating of the local movie theater. He would have attended 1st-3rd grade in a segregated school (1960 - 1963) Lovie Smith was born in Gladewater, TX (1958) and he DID experience those atrocities. Perhaps this poster is so young (and flunked US history) he doesn't know all of this. I'll try to give him the benefit of the doubt. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #13 February 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHopefully in the future we will just be Americans Hopefully we'll also get over that world-threatening team bigotry and just be people. I'm not trying to be cruel, just to understand, so do us all a favor and not shout personal attack: Does everything in your world revolve around the prohibition of same sex marriage? What on earth are you talking about? Perhaps it has to do with your tendancy of making inflammatory, off-topic posts.... many of which come across as personal attacks. *************************************** Way to go Coach. The first black coach to win the Superbowl is definitely a note-worthy achievement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #14 February 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHopefully in the future we will just be Americans Hopefully we'll also get over that world-threatening team bigotry and just be people. I'm not trying to be cruel, just to understand, so do us all a favor and not shout personal attack: Does everything in your world revolve around the prohibition of same sex marriage? What on earth are you talking about? Perhaps it has to do with your tendancy of making inflammatory, off-topic posts.... many of which come across as personal attacks. What on EARTH does ANY of that have to do with "prohibition of same sex marriage"??? Am I dealing with insane people here? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #15 February 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHopefully in the future we will just be Americans Hopefully we'll also get over that world-threatening team bigotry and just be people. I'm not trying to be cruel, just to understand, so do us all a favor and not shout personal attack: Does everything in your world revolve around the prohibition of same sex marriage? What on earth are you talking about? Perhaps it has to do with your tendancy of making inflammatory, off-topic posts.... many of which come across as personal attacks. What on EARTH does ANY of that have to do with "prohibition of same sex marriage"??? Am I dealing with insane people here? Can we all let go of the Hate? Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #16 February 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHopefully in the future we will just be Americans Hopefully we'll also get over that world-threatening team bigotry and just be people. I'm not trying to be cruel, just to understand, so do us all a favor and not shout personal attack: Does everything in your world revolve around the prohibition of same sex marriage? What on earth are you talking about? Perhaps it has to do with your tendancy of making inflammatory, off-topic posts.... many of which come across as personal attacks. What on EARTH does ANY of that have to do with "prohibition of same sex marriage"??? Am I dealing with insane people here? Can we all let go of the Hate? As long as there is "world-threatening team bigotry", I don't think we have a chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #17 February 5, 2007 QuoteAs long as there is "world-threatening team bigotry", I don't think we have a chance. I think, by "team-bigotry," he was referring to clashes of religion, not sexual orientation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #18 February 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteAs long as there is "world-threatening team bigotry", I don't think we have a chance. I think, by "team-bigotry," he was referring to clashes of religion, not sexual orientation. Nationalism, actually. But MUCH closer than the nonsense the other guys were coming up with. Honestly! I haven't talked about gay marriage in over a year (although plenty of people have tried to bait me into it.) But sure is obvious who IS obsessed by gay marriage around here. They even bring it up in threads about football and racism. Go exafo!!! Edited for typos First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #19 February 5, 2007 QuoteNationalism, actually. heh, blurry line sometimes... I'm not sure how gay marriage came up either, that clash isn't any more world-threatening than the Colts are "World-Champions" of anything. (check out that segue) The problem with specifically recognizing first-time accomplishments by minorities is that what you are really celebrating is how normal and accepted the event is now, where in the past it might have been unthinkable. How do you do that without making the event that much less normal? I didn't see the entire award ceremony, but from what I saw they didn't make a big enough deal out of it to ruin the occasion. Sometimes these things are pointed out in good fashion, sometimes they aren't. In either case, those who experienced some of the insanity that went on just a few decades ago will more naturally appreciate the progress than us newcomers will ever be able to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #20 February 5, 2007 We should celebrate these events (the progression of our society) and unite the people. The problem is that there are people (racists, pessimists, etc...) who use these events to divide the people."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #21 February 5, 2007 I hope no one takes this the wrong way so here we go...... I think it's important to recognize any person for a first time accomplishment regardless of what the event may be. I also think it's important to recognize first time accomplishments from minorities so long as it's not blown up to the point where it gives the appearance of under minding minorities' intelligence and their abilities. I wouldn't want to give the "handicap" impression against minorities. Does that make sense or is someone going to twist that up? Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #22 February 5, 2007 It appears that this IS a generational thing. "First balck head coach to win a Super Bowl." Many of us in the younger generation (I'm 34) view this as a natural progression - not to be celebrated or derided. Those of the previous generation should take heart in this! Their efforts worked! The huge number of people like me out there that don't see the issue as black or white (figuratively and literally) show that we are moving forward to a colorblind society. Those in a previous generation see it as a big deal, and understandably so. Many in the later generations do not see it as a big deal. To me, it does not show a lack of appreciation. Rather, it shows that the present generation is less likely to see Dungy or Smith as "black NFL head coaches" and instead sees them as "head coaches." Isn't this where we want to be? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,122 #23 February 5, 2007 QuoteIt appears that this IS a generational thing. "First balck head coach to win a Super Bowl." Many of us in the younger generation (I'm 34) view this as a natural progression - not to be celebrated or derided. Those of the previous generation should take heart in this! Their efforts worked! The huge number of people like me out there that don't see the issue as black or white (figuratively and literally) show that we are moving forward to a colorblind society. Those in a previous generation see it as a big deal, and understandably so. Many in the later generations do not see it as a big deal. To me, it does not show a lack of appreciation. Rather, it shows that the present generation is less likely to see Dungy or Smith as "black NFL head coaches" and instead sees them as "head coaches." Isn't this where we want to be? Dungy and Smith are closer to my generation. I'm impressed and pleased for them, and to me it does represent a milestone. If the NFL were really colorblind it could have happened 20 years ago. Now, how many black team owners are there (as %), compared to the number of black players (as %) in the NFL?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 4 #24 February 5, 2007 No, it is not that I am ignorant, or unededucated aboout US history, I am just part of a generation that is beginning to move on, and not obsess over color seperation. yes, I was not taking into account the generation that is still alive today, taht lived through that, I appologize for that, BUT, you guys also need to look at how far we have come already, and see that it is not as big a deal as it was 30+ years ago.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #25 February 5, 2007 QuoteNow, how many black team owners are there (as %), compared to the number of black players (as %) in the NFL? Are you suggesting that only black people be allowed the opportunity to buy a team to increase the % of black team owners compared to the % of black players? When a team comes up for sale, everyone who is qualified (regardless of the color of their skin) should have the opportunity to buy the team."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
