warpedskydiver 0 #1 January 31, 2007 Clemson Probes Party That Mocked Blacks Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:33 AM EST The Associated Press CLEMSON, S.C. (AP) — Clemson University and the NAACP said Tuesday they are investigating an off-campus party held during the Martin Luther King Jr. weekend that some considered offensive because white students drank malt liquor and at least one partygoer wore black face. Pictures from the party were posted online, and Clemson officials learned of the Jan. 14 party this past weekend. The school is probing whether students were harassed or whether there was underage drinking. Clemson President James Barker wrote in a letter to students and faculty that he was "appalled, angered and disappointed" by the party, which "appeared to mock and disparage African Americans." "Many people have been offended and deeply hurt," he said. The party organizers issued an unsigned letter of apology, saying, "We invited all races and types of peoples and never meant any racial harm." "We want everyone to know how sorry we are, and that we are willing to do anything to make things right," the letter said. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People was looking into the party and at least three similar events at other colleges around the country, said state chapter president Lonnie Randolph. Clemson has roughly 1,100 black students out of more than 17,000 undergraduates, the university's Web site says.Quote Would there be such an uproar or an investigation if it were black students mocking whites? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #2 January 31, 2007 Hey this reminds me of a long time ago, when my friend Rafael and I went to a party where he was the only black guy there. We went in the door and it was a great there were loads of pretty girls, free beer, and really great music. Once inside we immediatly saw one girl lean towards her friends and hold up her hand to her face and say in a loud whisper "He's Black!" to which Raf leaned in, smiled and said "yeah I know". We went into the next room and it looked pretty much the same way so he yelled "where are all the white women at?" it was hilarious!!! what a bunch of dolts they were, oh btw this was a VERY liberal school! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #3 January 31, 2007 off campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #4 January 31, 2007 Steve ,You aren't missing a thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #5 January 31, 2007 QuoteSteve ,You aren't missing a thing. Well, needless to say I think the kids are fairly ignorant, but I don't subscribe to colleges monitoring off campus activity. I know some Christian colleges have a morality clause that kids sign (no drinking, no smoking, no sex, etc) but what right would Clemson have to intervene? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #6 January 31, 2007 It sounds like it was pretty childish behavior on the students' part, but it's a college party. If it was off campus, then they can wear all the black face they want, and as long as they're of age, who cares if they sucked down some malt liquor. The only people they made look foolish were themselves. If people were that "deeply hurt," they probably need to grow up a little too. There's a lot to be said for being able to let it roll off sometimes.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #7 January 31, 2007 My fraternity holds an annual "Soul Train" party that is one of the biggest parties of the year. Everyone hits up Goodwill for the 70's clothes and accessories. There was never anything racist about the party at all, but I won't be surprised if that party ends up in the news because someone decides the kids are having too much fun. The party is usually in March....We'll see.... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #8 January 31, 2007 Makes me wonder who my college's Miss Hendrix pageant is really mocking? And could the ACLU make something of it.... It's basically a drag show, and some of the guys are HOT! Are they making fun of gay people? Or women? Or pageant people (whatever you call them)? Or just drag queens? Maybe it's just fun and silly. I'm sure someone could get offended though. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #9 January 31, 2007 Quoteoff campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? If members of your congregation (I assume you have one) were found to have been indulging in Satanic rituals in off-church property, would you say it's none of your church's business? Would you be upset and concerned only if they do it on your own altar?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #10 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteoff campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? If members of your congregation (I assume you have one) were found to have been indulging in Satanic rituals in off-church property, would you say it's none of your church's business? Would you be upset and concerned only if they do it on your own altar? Yeah, but the Church has always been kinda domineering like that by nature. It's not a desirable trait in a university though, imho.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #11 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteoff campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? If members of your congregation (I assume you have one) were found to have been indulging in Satanic rituals in off-church property, would you say it's none of your church's business? Would you be upset and concerned only if they do it on your own altar? What a crappy analogy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #12 January 31, 2007 Quotestudents drank malt liquor Malt liquor sucks balls. I am offended. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #13 January 31, 2007 Quoteoffensive because white students drank malt liquor and at least one partygoer wore black face. Unbelivable! How is that racist? imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! I mean it wasn't as if they were wearing sheets and burning crosses on the lawn ...and whats with the malt liquor comment? I was drinking Bushmills at the weekend I didn't realise a Malt wiskey is a Black persons drink.... Although now I think of it they do make 'Blackbush' as well. Shit, live and learn eh!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #14 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteoff campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? If members of your congregation (I assume you have one) were found to have been indulging in Satanic rituals in off-church property, would you say it's none of your church's business? Would you be upset and concerned only if they do it on your own altar? I think you satanic worship analogy sort of sucks too. It is hardly comparible to college age kids having a party with booze. Right now I do plenty that upsets a lot of fellow pastors and other church members (not mine -- they know me very well) like riding my Harley to a tavern and hanging out with other bikers who are sipping a brewsky (I prefer Diet Dr. Pepper or something a lot harder than I would drink while I'm on a Harley) They object to me staying at the DZ after the beer light comes one. They object to me doing a lot of things I do. They can be upset all they want, but it doesn't effect me. When my flock has strayed. I dealt with it with compassion and the sense of restoration. Again, I think the kids were acting stupid ... like college kids. If I was their prof, I may be dissappointed, but I don't think I have grounds to do anything. If my flock broke church rules, I'd have the authority to do what I must, but they submitted to my authority my allowing me to be their pastor. Do college profs have that same type of authority (as pastors) outside the college? EDITED TO ADD: I've pastored since 1983. AK: 200 people CA: 100 people WA: 500 people OK: 500 people OK: 150 people OK 30 people In all those years I never had to "discipline" a member. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeadCone 0 #15 January 31, 2007 For more insight into what exactly happened at the party, there are pictures on TheSmokingGun.com: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0130072clemson1.html --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #16 January 31, 2007 I can't belive this made the news.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #17 January 31, 2007 Those Clempsun chicks are hawt!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #18 January 31, 2007 Quote If my flock broke church rules, I'd have the authority to do what I must, but they submitted to my authority my allowing me to be their pastor. Do college profs have that same type of authority (as pastors) outside the college? . I don't think it's the profs - isn't it the "administration"? Anyhow, matriculating into a university is joining a community that professes certain values - not unlike a church. (The first universities were indeed entirely run by the church). Generally those values are clearly laid out in the "Mission, Vision and Values" statement of the university. If you don't subscribe to those values, maybe you should go elsewhere. Edited to add: you might wish to read this before making any assumptions about what is or is not permitted at Clemson. stuaff.clemson.edu/docs/Student_Code_of_Conduct.pdf... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #19 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteSteve ,You aren't missing a thing. Well, needless to say I think the kids are fairly ignorant, but I don't subscribe to colleges monitoring off campus activity. I know some Christian colleges have a morality clause that kids sign (no drinking, no smoking, no sex, etc) but what right would Clemson have to intervene? ALL universities and colleges have a code of conduct. Students accept this when matriculating. If they don't like the code of conduct they don't have to enroll - it's not like being drafted into the Marine Corps. There are over 3,000 other college choices available to them in the USA besides Clemson. If students violate the code of conduct, they are subject to discipinary action, such as dismissal. I expect Clemson will follow its procedures to the letter.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #20 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteoffensive because white students drank malt liquor and at least one partygoer wore black face. Unbelivable! How is that racist? imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! I mean it wasn't as if they were wearing sheets and burning crosses on the lawn ...and whats with the malt liquor comment? I was drinking Bushmills at the weekend I didn't realise a Malt wiskey is a Black persons drink.... Although now I think of it they do make 'Blackbush' as well. Shit, live and learn eh! Actually Malt liquor is not malt whiskey. Malt liquor is an undistilled drink. Colt45 is an example. It is often sold in 40 ounce bottles. Basically it's a beer where they have added corn syrup to the wort in order to bump up the alcohol without increasing the body or flavor of the beer. Resulting in a high-alcohol, yet bland, pale yellow, watery, beer. crap, really. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #21 January 31, 2007 Who really cares what stupid stuff people do off campus? The only potential issue was mentioned: "The school is probing whether students were harassed or whether there was underage drinking." If that's the case, then go after them. If not - let their behavior speak for itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #22 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuote If my flock broke church rules, I'd have the authority to do what I must, but they submitted to my authority my allowing me to be their pastor. Do college profs have that same type of authority (as pastors) outside the college? . I don't think it's the profs - isn't it the "administration"? Anyhow, matriculating into a university is joining a community that professes certain values - not unlike a church. (The first universities were indeed entirely run by the church). Generally those values are clearly laid out in the "Mission, Vision and Values" statement of the university. If you don't subscribe to those values, maybe you should go elsewhere. Edited to add: you might wish to read this before making any assumptions about what is or is not permitted at Clemson. stuaff.clemson.edu/docs/Student_Code_of_Conduct.pdf I skimmed through it. It appeared most tof the regulations had to deal with organizations on campus, but perhaps there was some abiguity in the some of the rules. Reminds me of Animal House where Delta got canned. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #23 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuote If my flock broke church rules, I'd have the authority to do what I must, but they submitted to my authority my allowing me to be their pastor. Do college profs have that same type of authority (as pastors) outside the college? . I don't think it's the profs - isn't it the "administration"? Anyhow, matriculating into a university is joining a community that professes certain values - not unlike a church. (The first universities were indeed entirely run by the church). Generally those values are clearly laid out in the "Mission, Vision and Values" statement of the university. If you don't subscribe to those values, maybe you should go elsewhere. Edited to add: you might wish to read this before making any assumptions about what is or is not permitted at Clemson. stuaff.clemson.edu/docs/Student_Code_of_Conduct.pdf Got your hair-splitter out today? Technically, these students may have violated the university's mission statement or its general code of conduct, but these types of non-specific infractions are common occurrences on most campuses. College students being college students, there going to be infractions. These "infractions" might be considered undesirable but tolerated. As far as any specific infractions go, I found none regarding off campus behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #24 January 31, 2007 QuoteWho really cares what stupid stuff people do off campus? . We do. If one of our students was convicted of, say, sexual assault or drug dealing that occurred off campus, and was given a supended sentence by the court, he (or she) would ipso facto be in violation of OUR code of conduct and would likely be dismissed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #25 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteWho really cares what stupid stuff people do off campus? . We do. If one of our students was convicted of, say, sexual assault or drug dealing that occurred off campus, and was given a supended sentence by the court, he (or she) would ipso facto be in violation of OUR code of conduct and would likely be dismissed. But in this case we're basically talking about tacky behavior, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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warpedskydiver 0 #2 January 31, 2007 Hey this reminds me of a long time ago, when my friend Rafael and I went to a party where he was the only black guy there. We went in the door and it was a great there were loads of pretty girls, free beer, and really great music. Once inside we immediatly saw one girl lean towards her friends and hold up her hand to her face and say in a loud whisper "He's Black!" to which Raf leaned in, smiled and said "yeah I know". We went into the next room and it looked pretty much the same way so he yelled "where are all the white women at?" it was hilarious!!! what a bunch of dolts they were, oh btw this was a VERY liberal school! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #3 January 31, 2007 off campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #4 January 31, 2007 Steve ,You aren't missing a thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #5 January 31, 2007 QuoteSteve ,You aren't missing a thing. Well, needless to say I think the kids are fairly ignorant, but I don't subscribe to colleges monitoring off campus activity. I know some Christian colleges have a morality clause that kids sign (no drinking, no smoking, no sex, etc) but what right would Clemson have to intervene? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #6 January 31, 2007 It sounds like it was pretty childish behavior on the students' part, but it's a college party. If it was off campus, then they can wear all the black face they want, and as long as they're of age, who cares if they sucked down some malt liquor. The only people they made look foolish were themselves. If people were that "deeply hurt," they probably need to grow up a little too. There's a lot to be said for being able to let it roll off sometimes.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #7 January 31, 2007 My fraternity holds an annual "Soul Train" party that is one of the biggest parties of the year. Everyone hits up Goodwill for the 70's clothes and accessories. There was never anything racist about the party at all, but I won't be surprised if that party ends up in the news because someone decides the kids are having too much fun. The party is usually in March....We'll see.... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #8 January 31, 2007 Makes me wonder who my college's Miss Hendrix pageant is really mocking? And could the ACLU make something of it.... It's basically a drag show, and some of the guys are HOT! Are they making fun of gay people? Or women? Or pageant people (whatever you call them)? Or just drag queens? Maybe it's just fun and silly. I'm sure someone could get offended though. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #9 January 31, 2007 Quoteoff campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? If members of your congregation (I assume you have one) were found to have been indulging in Satanic rituals in off-church property, would you say it's none of your church's business? Would you be upset and concerned only if they do it on your own altar?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #10 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteoff campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? If members of your congregation (I assume you have one) were found to have been indulging in Satanic rituals in off-church property, would you say it's none of your church's business? Would you be upset and concerned only if they do it on your own altar? Yeah, but the Church has always been kinda domineering like that by nature. It's not a desirable trait in a university though, imho.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #11 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteoff campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? If members of your congregation (I assume you have one) were found to have been indulging in Satanic rituals in off-church property, would you say it's none of your church's business? Would you be upset and concerned only if they do it on your own altar? What a crappy analogy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #12 January 31, 2007 Quotestudents drank malt liquor Malt liquor sucks balls. I am offended. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #13 January 31, 2007 Quoteoffensive because white students drank malt liquor and at least one partygoer wore black face. Unbelivable! How is that racist? imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! I mean it wasn't as if they were wearing sheets and burning crosses on the lawn ...and whats with the malt liquor comment? I was drinking Bushmills at the weekend I didn't realise a Malt wiskey is a Black persons drink.... Although now I think of it they do make 'Blackbush' as well. Shit, live and learn eh!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #14 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteoff campus "private"? party????? Are we becoming that PC? Regardless of how stupid and racist these kids may be, is it the campus' responsibility to control off campus private parties? Or am I missing something? If members of your congregation (I assume you have one) were found to have been indulging in Satanic rituals in off-church property, would you say it's none of your church's business? Would you be upset and concerned only if they do it on your own altar? I think you satanic worship analogy sort of sucks too. It is hardly comparible to college age kids having a party with booze. Right now I do plenty that upsets a lot of fellow pastors and other church members (not mine -- they know me very well) like riding my Harley to a tavern and hanging out with other bikers who are sipping a brewsky (I prefer Diet Dr. Pepper or something a lot harder than I would drink while I'm on a Harley) They object to me staying at the DZ after the beer light comes one. They object to me doing a lot of things I do. They can be upset all they want, but it doesn't effect me. When my flock has strayed. I dealt with it with compassion and the sense of restoration. Again, I think the kids were acting stupid ... like college kids. If I was their prof, I may be dissappointed, but I don't think I have grounds to do anything. If my flock broke church rules, I'd have the authority to do what I must, but they submitted to my authority my allowing me to be their pastor. Do college profs have that same type of authority (as pastors) outside the college? EDITED TO ADD: I've pastored since 1983. AK: 200 people CA: 100 people WA: 500 people OK: 500 people OK: 150 people OK 30 people In all those years I never had to "discipline" a member. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeadCone 0 #15 January 31, 2007 For more insight into what exactly happened at the party, there are pictures on TheSmokingGun.com: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0130072clemson1.html --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #16 January 31, 2007 I can't belive this made the news.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #17 January 31, 2007 Those Clempsun chicks are hawt!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #18 January 31, 2007 Quote If my flock broke church rules, I'd have the authority to do what I must, but they submitted to my authority my allowing me to be their pastor. Do college profs have that same type of authority (as pastors) outside the college? . I don't think it's the profs - isn't it the "administration"? Anyhow, matriculating into a university is joining a community that professes certain values - not unlike a church. (The first universities were indeed entirely run by the church). Generally those values are clearly laid out in the "Mission, Vision and Values" statement of the university. If you don't subscribe to those values, maybe you should go elsewhere. Edited to add: you might wish to read this before making any assumptions about what is or is not permitted at Clemson. stuaff.clemson.edu/docs/Student_Code_of_Conduct.pdf... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #19 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteSteve ,You aren't missing a thing. Well, needless to say I think the kids are fairly ignorant, but I don't subscribe to colleges monitoring off campus activity. I know some Christian colleges have a morality clause that kids sign (no drinking, no smoking, no sex, etc) but what right would Clemson have to intervene? ALL universities and colleges have a code of conduct. Students accept this when matriculating. If they don't like the code of conduct they don't have to enroll - it's not like being drafted into the Marine Corps. There are over 3,000 other college choices available to them in the USA besides Clemson. If students violate the code of conduct, they are subject to discipinary action, such as dismissal. I expect Clemson will follow its procedures to the letter.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #20 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteoffensive because white students drank malt liquor and at least one partygoer wore black face. Unbelivable! How is that racist? imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! I mean it wasn't as if they were wearing sheets and burning crosses on the lawn ...and whats with the malt liquor comment? I was drinking Bushmills at the weekend I didn't realise a Malt wiskey is a Black persons drink.... Although now I think of it they do make 'Blackbush' as well. Shit, live and learn eh! Actually Malt liquor is not malt whiskey. Malt liquor is an undistilled drink. Colt45 is an example. It is often sold in 40 ounce bottles. Basically it's a beer where they have added corn syrup to the wort in order to bump up the alcohol without increasing the body or flavor of the beer. Resulting in a high-alcohol, yet bland, pale yellow, watery, beer. crap, really. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #21 January 31, 2007 Who really cares what stupid stuff people do off campus? The only potential issue was mentioned: "The school is probing whether students were harassed or whether there was underage drinking." If that's the case, then go after them. If not - let their behavior speak for itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #22 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuote If my flock broke church rules, I'd have the authority to do what I must, but they submitted to my authority my allowing me to be their pastor. Do college profs have that same type of authority (as pastors) outside the college? . I don't think it's the profs - isn't it the "administration"? Anyhow, matriculating into a university is joining a community that professes certain values - not unlike a church. (The first universities were indeed entirely run by the church). Generally those values are clearly laid out in the "Mission, Vision and Values" statement of the university. If you don't subscribe to those values, maybe you should go elsewhere. Edited to add: you might wish to read this before making any assumptions about what is or is not permitted at Clemson. stuaff.clemson.edu/docs/Student_Code_of_Conduct.pdf I skimmed through it. It appeared most tof the regulations had to deal with organizations on campus, but perhaps there was some abiguity in the some of the rules. Reminds me of Animal House where Delta got canned. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #23 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuote If my flock broke church rules, I'd have the authority to do what I must, but they submitted to my authority my allowing me to be their pastor. Do college profs have that same type of authority (as pastors) outside the college? . I don't think it's the profs - isn't it the "administration"? Anyhow, matriculating into a university is joining a community that professes certain values - not unlike a church. (The first universities were indeed entirely run by the church). Generally those values are clearly laid out in the "Mission, Vision and Values" statement of the university. If you don't subscribe to those values, maybe you should go elsewhere. Edited to add: you might wish to read this before making any assumptions about what is or is not permitted at Clemson. stuaff.clemson.edu/docs/Student_Code_of_Conduct.pdf Got your hair-splitter out today? Technically, these students may have violated the university's mission statement or its general code of conduct, but these types of non-specific infractions are common occurrences on most campuses. College students being college students, there going to be infractions. These "infractions" might be considered undesirable but tolerated. As far as any specific infractions go, I found none regarding off campus behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #24 January 31, 2007 QuoteWho really cares what stupid stuff people do off campus? . We do. If one of our students was convicted of, say, sexual assault or drug dealing that occurred off campus, and was given a supended sentence by the court, he (or she) would ipso facto be in violation of OUR code of conduct and would likely be dismissed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #25 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteWho really cares what stupid stuff people do off campus? . We do. If one of our students was convicted of, say, sexual assault or drug dealing that occurred off campus, and was given a supended sentence by the court, he (or she) would ipso facto be in violation of OUR code of conduct and would likely be dismissed. But in this case we're basically talking about tacky behavior, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
