billvon 3,132 #1 January 30, 2007 And now. in the interests of balance, I present the top ten beliefs that neo-cons hold nowadays. Note that this does not refer to your average conservative; by and large they are far more common sense than your average neo-con. Top 10 Neocon Beliefs: - There really were WMD's in Iraq, and the US investigators, the president and the CIA are lying about it. It's all part of the left-wing conspiracy. Liberal media. Activist judges. Defeatocrats. - Most of the people we are fighting in Iraq are foreign terrorists who would otherwise be blowing up the Sears Tower, not Iraqis who have turned against us - no matter what our intelligence says. - We are winning the war in Iraq, and the only reason things seem bad are liberal media lies. The surviving journalists are intentionally making it seem like Iraq is a dangerous place. - We are not winning the war in Iraq because the democrats don't support it. - When democrats disagree with the effectiveness of a proposed escalation, they are "emboldening the enemy" by making it sound like we're not going to win. When our president states we are not winning the war, he is merely stating facts. - Sending a man to his death is supporting him. Attempting to get him home safely to his family is "spitting on him." -The only mistake we made in Vietnam was not staying longer, and we better learn that lesson if we want to win in Iraq. Also, Vietnam has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. These two statements are simultaneously true. - Most of our troops support the Iraq war no matter what they say. -There is no such thing as global warming. There is warming going on, but it's natural and man doesn't affect it much. Man is causing most of the warming, but it's a good thing. All three of those statements are simultaneously true. - Reducing pollution or CO2 emissions will somehow make liberals and terrorists rich and will bankrupt conservatives, hardworking families and our allies. That's why liberals believe in global warming and pollution - greed and a desire to destroy america. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #2 January 30, 2007 Sadly, a few people on this site seem to think everyone who ever voted for Dubya has those same beliefs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #3 January 30, 2007 What are the Neo Cons' views on: Housecats? Marzipan? Lemurs? Frilled Lizards? Pound Cake?Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #4 January 30, 2007 This is a joke right? "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #5 January 30, 2007 QuoteSadly, a few people on this site seem to think everyone who ever voted for Dubya has those same beliefs. Sadly, quite a few people on this site and in the right wing media seem to support almost anything the repubicans who put Dubya in power parrot those positions on a daily basis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #6 January 30, 2007 QuoteSadly, a few people on this site seem to think everyone who ever voted for Dubya has those same beliefs. Go back and read alot of the posts supporting GW before the last election._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #7 January 30, 2007 QuoteGo back and read alot of the posts supporting GW before the last election. You dont need to go that far back... Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #8 January 30, 2007 >You dont need to go that far back... Indeed. Check out this very forum for a thread concerning the first point there. There are really people who believe that we found WMD's, and that Kay/Bush et al are lying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #9 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteSadly, a few people on this site seem to think everyone who ever voted for Dubya has those same beliefs. Sadly, quite a few people on this site and in the right wing media seem to support almost anything the repubicans who put Dubya in power parrot those positions on a daily basis. Oops. I seem to have hit a nerve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 January 30, 2007 Hey you is what chu is... embrace it. QUACK QUACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #11 January 30, 2007 Quote>You dont need to go that far back... Indeed. Check out this very forum for a thread concerning the first point there. There are really people who believe that we found WMD's, and that Kay/Bush et al are lying. Okay people... I said "everyone who ever voted for Dubya" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #12 January 30, 2007 QuoteOkay people... I said "everyone who ever voted for Dubya" I cant help that they were too fucking stupid to research GW and his NEO CON buddies... and SOOO many of them have gleefully rammed all this morality and WAR crap down the rest of our throats for 6 years....Turns out they voted for Incompetence.. arrogance...and a president that turns out to not be so moral after all. How many of these has he and his friends broken in the six years..??? http://www.biblepicturegallery.com/free/Pics/10_Comm.gif I got three real easy.. Thou shalt not covent they neighbors OIL Thous shalt not lie Thou shalt not misuse the name of GOD( Supposed personal conversations with the entity telling him to go to war) Thou shalt not murder hunderds of thousands of people in your greed for OIL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #13 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteOkay people... I said "everyone who ever voted for Dubya" I cant help that they were too fucking stupid to research GW and his NEO CON buddies... and SOOO many of them have gleefully rammed all this morality and WAR crap down the rest of our throats for 6 years....Turns out they voted for Incompetence.. arrogance...and a president that turns out to not be so moral after all. How many of these has he and his friends broken in the six years..??? http://www.biblepicturegallery.com/free/Pics/10_Comm.gif I got three real easy.. Thou shalt not covent they neighbors OIL Thous shalt not lie Thou shalt not misuse the name of GOD( Supposed personal conversations with the entity telling him to go to war) Thou shalt not murder hunderds of thousands of people in your greed for OIL Obviously, I wasn't talking you. You're a model of even-handed, objectivity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #14 January 30, 2007 QuoteObviously, I wasn't talking you. You're a model of even-handed, objectivity. I gave up on objectivity just to ram some of the right wings own hypocrisy down their collective throats.. Many of us got tired of the gloating arrogance of many of the ULTRA RIGHWINGNUTS coming up with all kinds of denigrating stupidity like DIMS... El JEffe Clintonista etc etc......or being unpatriotic because we were argueing AGAINST an ill concieved WAR.. and we have been proven right. Tough shit...CUPCAKE. You voted for this stupidity.. eat the shit the administration has dealt you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #15 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteObviously, I wasn't talking you. You're a model of even-handed, objectivity. I gave up on objectivity just to ram some of the right wings own hypocrisy down their collective throats.. Many of us got tired of the gloating arrogance of many of the ULTRA RIGHWINGNUTS coming up with all kinds of denigrating stupidity like DIMS... El JEffe Clintonista etc etc......or being unpatriotic because we were argueing AGAINST an ill concieved WAR.. and we have been proven right. Tough shit...CUPCAKE. You voted for this stupidity.. eat the shit the administration has dealt you. Don't hold back, tell us what you REALLY think of Bush supporters.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryanocerous 0 #16 January 31, 2007 mmmm poundcake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #17 January 31, 2007 I'm not a neo-con, but some of these are, um, just a touch off the mark. QuoteTop 10 Neocon Beliefs: - There really were WMD's in Iraq, and the US investigators, the president and the CIA are lying about it. It's all part of the left-wing conspiracy. Liberal media. Activist judges. Defeatocrats. Did we find the stockpiles from an active program, apparently not. Were stockpiles from old programs found? Oh yeah, many hundreds of shells. Despite being old, could they still kill a bunch of people? I don't know. Quote- Most of the people we are fighting in Iraq are foreign terrorists who would otherwise be blowing up the Sears Tower, not Iraqis who have turned against us - no matter what our intelligence says. I don't know about anyone else, but the majority of the guys we were running up against weren't Iraqi nationals. Quote- We are winning the war in Iraq, and the only reason things seem bad are liberal media lies. The surviving journalists are intentionally making it seem like Iraq is a dangerous place. Iraq is certainly dangerous, but I think even you'd be hard pressed to tell me that you think the media is doing a good job covering what's going on over there. Quote- We are not winning the war in Iraq because the democrats don't support it. I won't agree with that statement, but it is half right: the democrats aren't supporting it and it does affect the troops. Quote- When democrats disagree with the effectiveness of a proposed escalation, they are "emboldening the enemy" by making it sound like we're not going to win. When our president states we are not winning the war, he is merely stating facts. That's not a very even comparison. If you knew your adversary's support and political foundation was eroding, you wouldn't see that and attempt to exploit it? I'm sure the allies were able to glean something from events prior to actual invasion of Germany. Quote-The only mistake we made in Vietnam was not staying longer, and we better learn that lesson if we want to win in Iraq. Also, Vietnam has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. These two statements are simultaneously true. By the time Nixon was done with (bombing) them, they were, for the first time, a beaten nation. However, there was no more time, or will to do the job anymore. Quote- Most of our troops support the Iraq war no matter what they say. We train to do a job that we hope we never have to do. If we're sent to do it. Let us do it, encourage us, keep the politics at the water's edge, make sure we have what we need, and stop griping about some ill perceived sense of us not doing it to advance a political agenda.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #18 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteOkay people... I said "everyone who ever voted for Dubya" I cant help that they were too fucking stupid to research GW and his NEO CON buddies... and SOOO many of them have gleefully rammed all this morality and WAR crap down the rest of our throats for 6 years....Turns out they voted for Incompetence.. arrogance...and a president that turns out to not be so moral after all. How many of these has he and his friends broken in the six years..??? http://www.biblepicturegallery.com/free/Pics/10_Comm.gif I got three real easy.. Thou shalt not covent they neighbors OIL Thous shalt not lie Thou shalt not misuse the name of GOD( Supposed personal conversations with the entity telling him to go to war) Thou shalt not murder hunderds of thousands of people in your greed for OIL Is that an Amazona aestiva I hear?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #19 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteObviously, I wasn't talking you. You're a model of even-handed, objectivity. I gave up on objectivity just to ram some of the right wings own hypocrisy down their collective throats.. You appear to know hypocrisy well. Is that an Amazona arausiaca I hear?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #20 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteObviously, I wasn't talking you. You're a model of even-handed, objectivity. I gave up on objectivity just to ram some of the right wings own hypocrisy down their collective throats.. Many of us got tired of the gloating arrogance of many of the ULTRA RIGHWINGNUTS coming up with all kinds of denigrating stupidity like DIMS... El JEffe Clintonista etc etc......or being unpatriotic because we were argueing AGAINST an ill concieved WAR.. and we have been proven right. Tough shit...CUPCAKE. You voted for this stupidity.. eat the shit the administration has dealt you. You know... one of the key characteristics of racists and bigots is using the behavior of a few to justify attacking a whole group. But what the fuck... as long as you feel justified... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 January 31, 2007 QuoteYou know... one of the key characteristics of racists and bigots is using the behavior of a few to justify attacking a whole group. Hmmm . . . lemme mull this one over for a few minutes. I suppose you'd be right if we were talking about a race of people, but we're not. We're talking about a political movement. If people blindly follow a corrupt, brutal dictator yet one that is so charismatic that he is able to get people to follow him, don't they ultimately get what they deserve? If people follow a cult leader and literally drink the koolaid . . . isn't it their own dang fault for being sheep? If Bo and Peep tell me to castrate myself and follow them to the comet . . . if I do that . . . aren't I kinda, well, a dumb fuck?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #22 January 31, 2007 QuoteIf people blindly follow a corrupt, brutal dictator yet one that is so charismatic that he is able to get people to follow him, don't they ultimately get what they deserve? Why do you assume (along with many others) that they are blindly following?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #23 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou know... one of the key characteristics of racists and bigots is using the behavior of a few to justify attacking a whole group. Hmmm . . . lemme mull this one over for a few minutes. I suppose you'd be right if we were talking about a race of people, but we're not. We're talking about a political movement. If people blindly follow a corrupt, brutal dictator yet one that is so charismatic that he is able to get people to follow him, don't they ultimately get what they deserve? If people follow a cult leader and literally drink the koolaid . . . isn't it their own dang fault for being sheep? If Bo and Peep tell be to castrate myself and follow them to the comet . . . if I do that . . . aren't I kinda, well, a dumb fuck? You assume the Neo-Cons have some kind of real choice. Could be that they are mentally ill and can't help themselves.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24 January 31, 2007 In any movement you can only have a few leaders. To my knowledge, nobody on this web site is a leader of the neo-conservative mevement. That said, if any of the people on this web site ARE leaders of the neo-conservative movement, please let me know and I'll redress the post. All others are simply followers.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #25 January 31, 2007 I agree that if you are not a leader, you are a follower. But being a follower doesn't mean you are following blindly."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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