steveorino 7 #1 January 30, 2007 Creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #2 January 30, 2007 QuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? False QuotePlease explain your answer if possible. Inventions"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,602 #3 January 30, 2007 True, but mainly because people have such an imagination. There is very little that we can imagine that we can't find some way of doing, as long as we interpret "doing" flexibly. Want interstellar travel? There's science fiction (reading or writing), there's working for the space program, there's video games. Want to talk to God? There's a number of religions that recognize that. Want to be God? Well, take a look at Jim Jones, David Koresh and those. While not God, they certainly controlled a greater portion of their followers' lives and thoughts than most people. Want to fly? Well, what do we do on the weekends. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #4 January 30, 2007 False. I desire to prove a negative. Satisfaction for that desire does not exist but I do. Edit: I desire to prove I'm not non-existant. Since I exist I have proven I am not non-existant and have therefore proved a negative. Shit. Back to the drawing board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #5 January 30, 2007 QuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. false. example: Man desired to fly long before any means to satisfy that desire existed. (ofc you can always get into 'absolute existence' which echo's wendy's point, but for the statement to be True, Man could not have desired to Fly until he developed the ability to fulfill that desire..)____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #6 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. false. example: Man desired to fly long before any means to satisfy that desire existed. (ofc you can always get into 'absolute existence') The means to satisfy the desire for flight existed ... the birds had it ... we needed to adapt in order to accomplish that desire. Had we never seen flight then I might agree withyour example. But since we saw flight ... it existed. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #7 January 30, 2007 that is 'absolute existence' the difference between theory and practice.. how about this then.. Man desires to be immortal, yet nothing can be proven to be immortal... doesnt prevent the Desire.. in fact its the cornerstone of many religions (including the Christian)____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #8 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? False QuotePlease explain your answer if possible. Inventions What inventions are you referring to. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #9 January 30, 2007 False. I desire to prove that square-circles exist. They don't since circles cannot simultaneously be square. Ha. Next. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #10 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? False QuotePlease explain your answer if possible. Inventions What inventions are you referring to. Space Shuttle - Desire for space travel before the existence of anything possible of space travel."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #11 January 30, 2007 already shot that one down by the inclusion of 'absolute existence' you dont need an example (birds above, i was trying to keep it to 'actual' but....) if the capability WILL exist at some point in the future, but is not yet realized.. using that slant you can say observation of the moon was the 'satisfaction' that it could be done.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #12 January 30, 2007 Quotealready shot that one down by the inclusion of 'absolute existence' QuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Does the ability to satisfy the desire have to exist at the time of the creatures birth? (I believe that people are born with desires which are not possible to satisfy at the time of their birth.)"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loonix 0 #13 January 30, 2007 Humans have always wanted to fly. Skydivers doesn't fly, they fall. We don't fly in planes, the plane is flying us. We can't fly, and I don't think it'll happen either. We want to swim in the ocean like fish. Scuba gets us close, freediving even more so, but we still can't move as freely, as deep and for as long as we desire. So, "false" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #14 January 30, 2007 QuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. How specific are you being with these 'satisfactions'? I (and many other people) desire to be able to turn invisible. Would you consider the ability to hide behind things a satisfaction of the desire to be invisible?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #15 January 30, 2007 QuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. False!! False False False False False! I desire sex, but haven't got any satisfaction in so long I just know that it no longer exists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #16 January 30, 2007 I'd venture that regret is, at least in many instances, an unsatisfiable desire to change what one has already done. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 January 30, 2007 QuoteI'd venture that regret is, at least in many instances, an unsatisfiable desire to change what one has already done. great answer - a bit deep for mocking the masses today are we? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #18 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'd venture that regret is, at least in many instances, an unsatisfiable desire to change what one has already done. great answer - a bit deep for mocking the masses today are we? Really? I must be having one of those million monkeys + million typewriters kind of daze. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #19 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. False!! False False False False False! I desire sex, but haven't got any satisfaction in so long I just know that it no longer exists. You must be a right winger.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #20 January 30, 2007 QuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. There is no spoon.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #21 January 30, 2007 >Creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for >those desires exists. Is that true? Not true. I've always wanted to fly; from reading what people have written (and seen what they've done) over history, this desire has been with us a long time. I can come close (via flying airplanes and skydiving) but I'd much rather not need an airplane or parachute. Someday that will be possible, but not just yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #22 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. False!! False False False False False! I desire sex, but haven't got any satisfaction in so long I just know that it no longer exists. You must be a right winger. And you would assume that because.....? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #23 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCreatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. False!! False False False False False! I desire sex, but haven't got any satisfaction in so long I just know that it no longer exists. You must be a right winger. And you would assume that because.....? You've not been here long, have you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #24 January 31, 2007 Your responses to answers undermines your question. You cannot desire an unknown. But knowing of something does not mean that the means of satisfaction exists. The example of flight I think is a good refutation of your argument. Man desired to fly before the means to satisfy it existed. Man desires to travel faster than the speed of light, the means to satisfy that desire may not exist. I think you need to define desire, there's basic urges and visceral desires and there are lofty intellectual concepts. However I think flight lies somewhere in the middle and is a tough one for you to address. I think you can have a visceral desire to fly like Leonardo DaVinci but lack the means to fulfill it, you can stand on a clifftop and dream. "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." this from a man who never flew, centuries before the means existed. His imagination created the desire without the means to satisfy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #25 January 31, 2007 QuoteYour responses to answers undermines your question. You cannot desire an unknown. But knowing of something does not mean that the means of satisfaction exists. The example of flight I think is a good refutation of your argument. Man desired to fly before the means to satisfy it existed. Man desires to travel faster than the speed of light, the means to satisfy that desire may not exist. I think you need to define desire, there's basic urges and visceral desires and there are lofty intellectual concepts. However I think flight lies somewhere in the middle and is a tough one for you to address. I think you can have a visceral desire to fly like Leonardo DaVinci but lack the means to fulfill it, you can stand on a clifftop and dream. "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." this from a man who never flew, centuries before the means existed. His imagination created the desire without the means to satisfy it. Let's get back to the ORIGINAL question as it was stated: Creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. Is that true? Please explain your answer if possible. Man was NOT BORN with a desire to fly. The desire to fly came from man observing a creature who could fly. Now, as to that creature (birds, for example) it of course was born with that desire because it is in it's nature to do so. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
