Gawain 0 #1 January 28, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070128/ap_on_go_co/congress_racial_profiling Quote"Many law-abiding African Americans, Arab Americans, Latino Americans and others live with the fear of being racially profiled as they go about their everyday lives," Feingold said. QuoteFeingold's last bill would have banned federal, state and local law enforcement officials from "relying, to any degree, on race, ethnicity, national origin, or religion" during investigations. An exemption would have been made for specific information that "links a person of a particular race, ethnicity, national origin, or religion to an identified incident or scheme." It's pretty clear this is about the Imams that were taken off the flight last year...nothing else. Now, from the perspective of that issue, I thought it was the behavior that was profiled, not the individuals. If you were the part of a society whose customs and religious leaders managed to perpetuate fear and misunderstanding throughout much of the world, would you not try to be at least a little sensitive to that and genuinely attempt to bring truth to light? Of course, it could be said, "The Islamic community needs to get right in the face of the mainstream media and make this happen." Honestly, why does this not happen? Is there a genuine reality we don't know about with What might the truth reveal? All the while, simply "expecting" the world to accept things the way they are?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2 January 28, 2007 QuoteIt's pretty clear this is about the Imams that were taken off the flight last year...nothing else. Quote Given all I have learned about that incident, your post defines this as their goal"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #3 January 29, 2007 Fact - most serial killers are white males. Therefore, most investigations into serial killers have a profile that includes white males. McVeigh was arrested and he was pinned down partially as a result of a profile. Let's say an AME church in Birmingham, Alabama gets firebombed. What would be the most logical starting point in an investigation? If you say, "Local white supremacists" you must be a bigot. It's better not to play that hunch - someone mught get offended. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #4 January 29, 2007 >Let's say an AME church in Birmingham, Alabama gets firebombed. >What would be the most logical starting point in an investigation? If the cops knew that a local ex-minister had just been disgraced, and had vowed revenge? If you went after the white supremacists because "well, of course it was white supremacists" you might well be letting the guilty party escape justice. Local police should be the ones making the calls. If they know that a black gang in their area commits a lot of vandalism, it would make sense for them to go after black gang members when a store is torched. But if there is a crime and they have no idea who did it, and they go after blacks just because 'well, you know how they are' then not only are you guilty of bigotry, more importantly you're not doing a very good job of catching the people who did it. It should be up to the local police - and their efforts should focus on identifying who did it, not which color the perpetrators might have been. Institutionalized profiling results in bad detective work by police. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #5 January 29, 2007 Quote>Let's say an AME church in Birmingham, Alabama gets firebombed. >What would be the most logical starting point in an investigation? If the cops knew that a local ex-minister had just been disgraced, and had vowed revenge? If you went after the white supremacists because "well, of course it was white supremacists" you might well be letting the guilty party escape justice. Local police should be the ones making the calls. If they know that a black gang in their area commits a lot of vandalism, it would make sense for them to go after black gang members when a store is torched. But if there is a crime and they have no idea who did it, and they go after blacks just because 'well, you know how they are' then not only are you guilty of bigotry, more importantly you're not doing a very good job of catching the people who did it. It should be up to the local police - and their efforts should focus on identifying who did it, not which color the perpetrators might have been. Institutionalized profiling results in bad detective work by police. Bill, do you truly believe that this is how many police departments would operate in this scenario? I don't the top cops will call for arrests to be made and the media/sheeple will only belive the perps to be racists, any other plausible explanation will be seen as a distractor. BTW you still wanting to believe that McVeigh/Nichols were the perps or the only perps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #6 January 29, 2007 Quote>Local police should be the ones making the calls. If they know that a black gang in their area commits a lot of vandalism, it would make sense for them to go after black gang members when a store is torched. This is a type of profiling. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #7 January 29, 2007 >This is a type of profiling. Literally, yes. That's a silly definition though. By that definition, if you had a witness to a crime that saw a 5'11" red-haired guy with one leg among a gang of bank robbers who had been hitting area banks, the resulting manhunt would be "profiling" 5'11" red haired one legged men. The profiling we are discussing here is an assumption of guilt based not on what was observed at the scene of a crime or at other similar crimes, but just because "black people commit crimes." That's the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #8 January 29, 2007 Quote>Literally, yes. That's a silly definition though. yes, and yes. And the protest against profiling has reached the stage of vigorous protest against even what you think is reasonable. I can't believe you are playing the "tall, redhead, monoleg" card this early in the thread ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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lawrocket 3 #3 January 29, 2007 Fact - most serial killers are white males. Therefore, most investigations into serial killers have a profile that includes white males. McVeigh was arrested and he was pinned down partially as a result of a profile. Let's say an AME church in Birmingham, Alabama gets firebombed. What would be the most logical starting point in an investigation? If you say, "Local white supremacists" you must be a bigot. It's better not to play that hunch - someone mught get offended. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #4 January 29, 2007 >Let's say an AME church in Birmingham, Alabama gets firebombed. >What would be the most logical starting point in an investigation? If the cops knew that a local ex-minister had just been disgraced, and had vowed revenge? If you went after the white supremacists because "well, of course it was white supremacists" you might well be letting the guilty party escape justice. Local police should be the ones making the calls. If they know that a black gang in their area commits a lot of vandalism, it would make sense for them to go after black gang members when a store is torched. But if there is a crime and they have no idea who did it, and they go after blacks just because 'well, you know how they are' then not only are you guilty of bigotry, more importantly you're not doing a very good job of catching the people who did it. It should be up to the local police - and their efforts should focus on identifying who did it, not which color the perpetrators might have been. Institutionalized profiling results in bad detective work by police. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #5 January 29, 2007 Quote>Let's say an AME church in Birmingham, Alabama gets firebombed. >What would be the most logical starting point in an investigation? If the cops knew that a local ex-minister had just been disgraced, and had vowed revenge? If you went after the white supremacists because "well, of course it was white supremacists" you might well be letting the guilty party escape justice. Local police should be the ones making the calls. If they know that a black gang in their area commits a lot of vandalism, it would make sense for them to go after black gang members when a store is torched. But if there is a crime and they have no idea who did it, and they go after blacks just because 'well, you know how they are' then not only are you guilty of bigotry, more importantly you're not doing a very good job of catching the people who did it. It should be up to the local police - and their efforts should focus on identifying who did it, not which color the perpetrators might have been. Institutionalized profiling results in bad detective work by police. Bill, do you truly believe that this is how many police departments would operate in this scenario? I don't the top cops will call for arrests to be made and the media/sheeple will only belive the perps to be racists, any other plausible explanation will be seen as a distractor. BTW you still wanting to believe that McVeigh/Nichols were the perps or the only perps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 January 29, 2007 Quote>Local police should be the ones making the calls. If they know that a black gang in their area commits a lot of vandalism, it would make sense for them to go after black gang members when a store is torched. This is a type of profiling. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #7 January 29, 2007 >This is a type of profiling. Literally, yes. That's a silly definition though. By that definition, if you had a witness to a crime that saw a 5'11" red-haired guy with one leg among a gang of bank robbers who had been hitting area banks, the resulting manhunt would be "profiling" 5'11" red haired one legged men. The profiling we are discussing here is an assumption of guilt based not on what was observed at the scene of a crime or at other similar crimes, but just because "black people commit crimes." That's the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 January 29, 2007 Quote>Literally, yes. That's a silly definition though. yes, and yes. And the protest against profiling has reached the stage of vigorous protest against even what you think is reasonable. I can't believe you are playing the "tall, redhead, monoleg" card this early in the thread ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
